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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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notanautomaton said:
We're far more likely to run into a god, ghost, or demon that needs killing than we are to run into a geass user. And a lot of Geass's wouldn't be Shaping, like the mind reading Geass, or the combat precog Geass.
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Assumption of Mu will deal with mind reading, as it should give info on what we aren't thinking. Combat precog geass I think likely works on reading Fate which we don't have, and even if it doesn't Assumption of Mu would make it give incorrect info.

The effects of Geass likely fall into three categories...

1. Shaping - These are the worst. Things like Absolute Command likely fall under this. These are powerful, though seem to have limitations like needing eye contact.
2. Unnatural Mental Influence - Bad, but we can spend WP to stop it.
3. Passive/Permanent - Mind reading, combat precog, etc. Might be a "Sorcerous" class.

But as I said, Shaping in general is something we'll want a defense against. Exalts can use them.

Also, we already have a spirit-killing Charm. Reality Raking Claws - it even turns them into a Crafting Material as a side benefit. Hell, we don't even have to use it for the finishing blow, or be the one to strike it. Just using it and successfully hitting means anyone else can kill the spirit in question.


TotallyNotEvil said:
A few questions about your Plan:
Didn't you want to add an offensive Malfeas charm (Green Sun Burst?) but lacked XP the first time? Why not now? And where is that awesome one that deals damage if the target tries to Dodge or parry? I few we really need a personal offense option. Demon Puddle proved that the Hellcaster doesn't cut it, thus why I'm recently asking about Sorcery. We should also get a new rifle or two, for missions like these.

Wouldn't this be a good time to learn MA? Or Sorcery?

Isn't Nemesis Self Imagined Anew up there on our priority list, to allow us to quickly raise Essence levels? Btw, is there any special requisite to raise Essence to 5 (and above) and atributes to 6 (and above)?
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1. Green Sun Nimbus Flare was a priority, and it's still up there on the things I want, but there are other priorities at the moment.
2. Martial Arts would be nice, but we don't have time I think, and we don't have anyone to teach us the MA Charms for Hellfire Ballet Style quite yet.
3. Sorcery is a nice to have, given that Rakshata currently has it. She can summon any demons we need and tell them to obey our commands.
4. I'm not quite sure what @Alexander89 means by Nemesis Self Imagined Anew giving a way to increase Essence. He'll need to explain that. I could change it with sufficient reason to do so.


notanautomaton said:
In my opinion, the problem with plan Enjou is that it wants us to generalize far too much, and in a suboptimal way. We're primarily a social character, so if we get combat stuff, we should be getting it cheaply from our favored Yozis, not expensively from Malfeas.
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I know we're primarily a social character, but within our Coven we're pretty much the only one likely to become the second combat oriented character - this has been discussed in depth before. And in the last couple days we've been in two battles, and nearly a third against a giant fucking poodle!

Being the secondary combat character in our group of five is one of the big reasons we got Malfeas Charms in the first place rather than something else. They make combat much easier by making your character able to take a beating and keep on moving. I also want Countless Cities Clotting because Lelouch is living a double life, and so being able to heal up overnight is kind of important to maintaining that - we can't just say things like "I fell down some stairs" repeatedly and have it be believable. (plus Lelouch would lose too much SAN from his fan club trying to nurse him back to health)
 
Enjou said:
4. I'm not quite sure what @Alexander89 means by Nemesis Self Imagined Anew giving a way to increase Essence. He'll need to explain that. I could change it with sufficient reason to do so.
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It gives a new motivation, an antithesis to the targets motivation. By fucking up the target, you can increase your Essence instantly as if you had fulfilled your motivation, if the target has a higher Essence.
Enjou said:
Being the secondary combat character in our group of five is one of the big reasons we got Malfeas Charms in the first place rather than something else. They make combat much easier by making your character able to take a beating and keep on moving. I also want Countless Cities Clotting because Lelouch is living a double life, and so being able to heal up overnight is kind of important to maintaining that - we can't just say things like "I fell down some stairs" repeatedly and have it be believable. (plus Lelouch would lose too much SAN from his fan club trying to nurse him back to health)
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Then we should be investing in Ebon Dragon charms that let us dodge easily. Remember, this is Exalted, where getting hit once means that you've lost. If we take a beating, there's a good chance that we've died, or only survived due to ST fiat. As such, we should focus our combat on Ebon Dragon charms, so that we can hit them with blindness, crippling pain, and poison, and can escape easily. We shouldn't be focused on being able to take a beating when that's a stupid plan in this system. And really, if we get hurt we can just take some time off school, it's not like Milly isn't the student council president. Much easier, and doesn't cost 10 xp.
 
notanautomaton said:
It gives a new motivation, an antithesis to the targets motivation. By fucking up the target, you can increase your Essence instantly as if you had fulfilled your motivation, if the target has a higher Essence.
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You're allowing that, @Alexander89? I mean, I suppose you can and I'll take advantage of it in that case, but it seems kind of a way to cheat the system. (mind you this is the Ebon Dragon we're talking about, but still...)

Then we should be investing in Ebon Dragon charms that let us dodge easily. Remember, this is Exalted, where getting hit once means that you've lost. If we take a beating, there's a good chance that we've died, or only survived due to ST fiat. As such, we should focus our combat on Ebon Dragon charms, so that we can hit them with blindness, crippling pain, and poison, and can escape easily. We shouldn't be focused on being able to take a beating when that's a stupid plan in this system. And really, if we get hurt we can just take some time off school, it's not like Milly isn't the student council president. Much easier, and doesn't cost 10 xp.
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1. We already have the Perfect Dodge Charm for the Ebon Dragon.
2. The Akio fight and the Dragonblooded fight shows that getting hit once isn't necessarily going to kill you. Dragonblooded dude died due to getting hit once by really nasty demon poison (which I'm pretty sure is magic, and I'm having us get a Charm that grants immunity to magic poisons), but was otherwise taking hits from the Lunar and only needed to hit her once to win. Tanking hits may not be a good idea, but against the right opponents it's sometimes the best option or if you're out of motes it can be the only option.
3. Taking time off from school repeatedly isn't something we really want to do. It will get suspicious, especially to Suzaku who may eventually begin suspecting that Zero is Lelouch, if every time that he knows Zero is injured that Lelouch takes a few days off.
 
Enjou said:
You're allowing that, @Alexander89? I mean, I suppose you can and I'll take advantage of it in that case, but it seems kind of a way to cheat the system. (mind you this is the Ebon Dragon we're talking about, but still...)
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It says it explicitly in the Charm. And he called it out earlier.
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The Infernal knows the Motivation of the target. If that Motivation changes while the Charm remains active, the Infernal automatically shifts to oppose this new goal. When this Charm ends, the Exalt's Motivation reverts to what it was previously. The death of the enemy automatically ends the Charm. Completing the new Motivation also ends the Charm but doesn't afford a chance to bypass training time for raising Essence unless the target has an Essence rating greater than or equal to that of the Infernal.
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Enjou said:
2. The Akio fight and the Dragonblooded fight shows that getting hit once isn't necessarily going to kill you. Dragonblooded dude died due to getting hit once by really nasty demon poison (which I'm pretty sure is magic, and I'm having us get a Charm that grants immunity to magic poisons), but was otherwise taking hits from the Lunar and only needed to hit her once to win. Tanking hits may not be a good idea, but against the right opponents it's sometimes the best option or if you're out of motes it can be the only option.
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Not when you can have a Dodge dv of 5+ and a gun. It's much more efficient to play to our advantages than it is to try to go against them.


Enjou said:
3. Taking time off from school repeatedly isn't something we really want to do. It will get suspicious, especially to Suzaku who may eventually begin suspecting that Zero is Lelouch, if every time that he knows Zero is injured that Lelouch takes a few days off.
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We have Manipulation 4, Presence 5, and Excellencies. We could tell people the moon is purple and have them believe it.
 
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notanautomaton said:
It says it explicitly in the Charm. And he called it out earlier.
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Ok then. I'll add it to the list.

Not when you can have a Dodge dv of 5+ and a gun. It's much more efficient to play to our advantages than it is to try to go against them.
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Yes, but eventualities we may not have accounted for can occur. Enemies who use melee weapons can close in on us, for instance. I would prefer to be prepared.

We have Manipulation 4, Presence 5, and Excellencies. We could tell people the moon is purple and have them believe it.
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Keep in mind that situational modifiers do enter into the equation to change the difficulty or add penalties.
 
[X] XP Plan Enjou

So, does anyone know of a demon that has odd eyes that isn't a Neomah? I don't mean, subtly different sclera, or iris colors that seem plausible for humans but aren't, I'm talking full-blown entirely inhuman sclera and iris, or mono-colored orbs, or weird sclera with odd iris and pupils.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
So, does anyone know of a demon that has odd eyes that isn't a Neomah? I don't mean, subtly different sclera, or iris colors that seem plausible for humans but aren't, I'm talking full-blown entirely inhuman sclera and iris, or mono-colored orbs, or weird sclera with odd iris and pupils.
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Here's a list of the canon First Circle Demons. If you can't find one that fits, just make one up that fits - it's what I did for Slaanesh-chan. I didn't even really bother coming up with a name for the huntress demon species.
 
All right, I have an idea for a new Defiler. Basically, I thought that we could use a more traditional mad scientist. He doesn't really care about societal standards or morality, just doing science and making new technology to see if it can be done. I intend for his Patron to be Cythera, his Urge to be something along the lines of 'create a type of machine or creature that can replace the gods in fulfilling their intended purpose that is more yozi-compliant', and for his Motivation to be 'create something that would net you an award from the world-wide scientific community', like a Nobel Peace Prize, only modified for the situation of Creation.

He has an eye patch, partially because he lost an eye from before he Exalted and he still isn't used to having both eyes again, partially because his new eye looks pretty freaky, and he wants to keep a low...ish profile.

Crafting wise, I intend for him to spend a lot of time creating a...well, a 'god-proof' cell, if you will. Basically, a prison that a god cannot escape from, even if they die. If he can do this before we conquer Japan, he'll do it, but if we manage to conquer Japan before that or after he manages to finish it, he'll basically abandon it and move straight to experimenting on some random Terrestrial divinity.

Any issues with this so far?
 
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ReaperofInterest said:
All right, I have an idea for a new Defiler. Basically, I thought that we could use a more traditional mad scientist. He doesn't really care about societal standards or morality, just doing science and making new technology to see if it can be done. I intend for his Patron to be Cythera, his Urge to be something along the lines of 'create a type of machine or creature that can replace the gods in fulfilling their intended purpose that is more yozi-compliant', and for his Motivation to be 'create something that would net you an award from the world-wide scientific community', like a Nobel Peace Prize, only modified for the situation of Creation.

He has an eye patch, partially because he lost an eye from before he Exalted and he still isn't used to having both eyes again, partially because his new eye looks pretty freaky, and he wants to keep a low...ish profile.

Crafting wise, I intend for him to spend a lot of time creating a...well, a 'god-proof' cell, if you will. Basically, a prison that a god cannot escape from, even if they die. If he can do this before we conquer Japan, he'll do it, but if we manage to conquer Japan before that or after he manages to finish it, he'll basically abandon it and move straight to experimenting on some random Terrestrial divinity.

Any issues with this so far?
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I'm not sure if the Yozis would support him for wanting to do to the gods what was done to them or try to crush him for experimenting with the sort of stuff that could get them sealed again if they ever get loose.
 
will408914 said:
I'm not sure if the Yozis would support him for wanting to do to the gods what was done to them or try to crush him for experimenting with the sort of stuff that could get them sealed again if they ever get loose.
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Um...no, he's not working on anything like that. Basically, his Urge will be to replace the gods with something the Yozis find acceptable. To do that, he needs to know how the gods work, so as to determine whether it would be better to make new beings or machines to serve that role. To do THAT, he'll need to know how the gods actually work. That can be discovered via the libraries of Hell, but having a living example would make his work go easier. Of course, in order to have a living sample of a god in the first place, he'll need to capture one, and put it somewhere where it can't escape. Hence, the working to make a god-proof cell.
 
[X] XP Plan Enjou
@Enjou
May I suggest that, for next plan, raising Perception, Wits, or Charisma?
Charisma or Wits being possibly the most important, because Charisma is possibly the main leadership attribute, while Wits will help us react to changing circumstances.

Also, maybe look at getting Overdrive charms.
 
I don't think the Yozis have any intention of replacing the gods with a new creature. The gods couldn't have done anything had Autobot not turned on them. Most likely they'll just kill the existing gods after they suffer long enough and make new ones to replace them. Or just keep having the gods do their jobs and then make them suffer more while they do it.

Now, of course, inventing something that can capture gods and be used to torture them? That's certainly fitting for some Yozi Urges. Though Cytherea isn't really a sadist, so the torture thing might be right out. Maybe have an Urge to invent a way to brainwash gods into more happily serving the Yozis? That would probably fit a high Compassion Urge for Cytherea.

the DragonBard said:
@Enjou
May I suggest that, for next plan, raising Perception, Wits, or Charisma?
Charisma or Wits being possibly the most important, because Charisma is possibly the main leadership attribute, while Wits will help us react to changing circumstances.

Also, maybe look at getting Overdrive charms.
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Yeah, possibly looking into doing all of that. Sun Heart Furnace Soul is one thing on the to do list, so we can get a new Pantheon soul as well as more motes.
 
Enjou said:
I don't think the Yozis have any intention of replacing the gods with a new creature. The gods couldn't have done anything had Autobot not turned on them. Most likely they'll just kill the existing gods after they suffer long enough and make new ones to replace them. Or just keep having the gods do their jobs and then make them suffer more while they do it.

Now, of course, inventing something that can capture gods and be used to torture them? That's certainly fitting for some Yozi Urges. Though Cytherea isn't really a sadist, so the torture thing might be right out. Maybe have an Urge to invent a way to brainwash gods into more happily serving the Yozis? That would probably fit a high Compassion Urge for Cytherea.
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I see what you mean. Perhaps the brainwashing Urge would be more fitting, but I'm fairly certain that She Who Lives In Her Name at least would be all in favor of replacing the gods with unthinking machines. Hmm, maybe I could have SWLIHN be the Patron, and Cythera be the Favored Yozi? I'm kind of stuck on the whole 'replace the gods' thing.
 
[X] XP Plan Enjou

It seems like I've been saying this an awful lot lately, but I can't believe I missed this quest! Never before have I had a desire to actually root for the Yozi, but there you go. The graphic description of Oramus' "prison" was especially cringe-worthy.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
I see what you mean. Perhaps the brainwashing Urge would be more fitting, but I'm fairly certain that She Who Lives In Her Name at least would be all in favor of replacing the gods with unthinking machines. Hmm, maybe I could have SWLIHN be the Patron, and Cythera be the Favored Yozi? I'm kind of stuck on the whole 'replace the gods' thing.
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If they're getting replaced, it'd have to be with some sort of Shinma-istic Anti-murphy thing that caused their jobs to happen as a law of physics...

Which actually sounds a lot harder to subvert. Why not?
 
The Yozis don't necessarily need to create replacements. There's all the forbidden gods and darkbrood races that sided with the primordials during the War, so they'll probably get rewarded for their loyalty with the positions of the traitors.

I wonder if we could make contact with them? They'd make useful allies.
 
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