Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
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Honestly I don't want to have an ongoing theme for the soul-names.
Again, seems too plain. Lelouch would name them something thematic and suitable. Something so common wouldn't do, especially for a being that is based on a Charm for creating unique things.
Also, I think people are forgetting that "joy" isn't the theme of Muse-chan so much as "inspiration" stemming from "insanity".
ReaperofInterest
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Perhaps Eris for Muse? I'm fairly certain that that's the name of a goddess of chaos, which shares similarities with madness.
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I believe we should name Muse Thalia, which in greek myth may refer to either the muse of comedy or a daughter of Dyonisus god of madness, toughs ?
keep in mind what lulu is using his creativity for. the destruction of britainnia. a suitable epitaph for muse would be : Seed of Doom. Or just Doom.
Lelouch wouldn't name his child Doom, or something so chuunibyo as Seed of Doom. He's got a sense of class.
I really don't think that it would be good once Lelouch finds out what his mother has actually been up to.
And why are you people all still voting? You're going to have to vote again - we're voting on more than the names, remember? Just make your suggestions/voice your support for something until there's a plan for breaking into the noble's house.
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It might not be good later on but it's entirely appropriate and in-character. I mean, seriously, look at the way the first two souls are patterned, they're strongly reminiscent of his two most important inspirations right now.
To clearly delineate support for various names in an easily recognizable fashion.
Darkness-chan is more reminiscent of Erembour than Lelouch's mother, actually.
And Muse-chan is Nunnally's age but doesn't really look like Nunnally.
chocolote12
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Um, problem here: Lelouch is technically the mother. I mean, he's a guy and she's a girl, but he's the mother and she's the father, because it's Lelouch who's still technically "pregnant" with them, if we wanted to carry the metaphor that far (he has yet to bring them into the world, afterall
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*re-reads more carefully and with glasses on this time* Hmm. Okay, withdrawn on that one. It would only have been appropriate if she actually looked like Marianne more closely (though I think she still does.)
Well of course there are going to be differences, they're not carbon copies.
@Alexander89 - where there any Knightmares noted to be part of the security forces?
Ok, I had a thought - does anyone think Lelouch would give them his family name? Like "Nyx vi Britannia" and "Muse vi Britannia"? These are his children, and while he hates Britannia he still has an odd sense of pride in his true name - he hasn't cast it off, after all. Since these girls are part of himself and his children, I think he'd want them to have that pride.
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I got really, really bored. Have a charm tree. (@Alexander89, feel free to put this in your Oramus Charms doc.)
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I think he wouldn't, for the simple fact that they aren't neither his children nor his actual progenie, they are simple part of him, while the family analogy is more easily understod and their new existence as semiindependent beings require individual names giving then his surname would be forcing the children analogy to much, they aren't his children, they are a part of him and Lelouch should be smart enought to apreciate the diference
This is just a pet peeve of mine, but I dislike the in-universe acknowledgement of charms. I feel they should be organic developments of power; perhaps named for human convenience, but creatures that naturally grow out of power wouldn't think of them as such, because to them it's more like an arm or a leg. You don't say that you activated your leg to take a step, you just take a step.
That said: I love the portrayals of the souls. Muse being an adorable little suger-fiend and Darkness (oh god we need a real name for her fast) being a more mature, classy figure is great.
I think we should avoid the names of divinities, or names that relate to them, since such beings might actually exist. I'd rather not name a living aspect of ourselves after some usurper dog. I generally just pick some gibberish that sounds cool, or grab an unusual language. In this instance, I thought of using Old English since Lelouch is Britannian, and found this translation site:
Old English Translator
Looking for "darkness," I found several variations, but was drawn to "Sinniht," a 'strong feminine form' meaning eternal night, endless night, night after night, etc.
Looking for "grace," I found "ár" which is a 'strong feminine form' meaning honor, worth, dignity, glory, respect, reverence, grace, and privilege. It has different forms based on how it is used. I'm not a master of Olde English grammar, but I think it would be the "áre" form. So a possible name for her would be
Sinnihtáre, the Eternal Night of Grace. Pronounced "Sin ih tar ay"
I doubt it. Britannia is kinda the focus of all Lelouch's anger. He only uses that name when he uses his geass to control someone, and when he goes Demon Emperor at the end. It's got a lot of negative connotation for him.
Alexander89
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I don't like the name. Shouldn't it be something like "Mirror Forest Shintai"?
Yes.
This better?
Do note she just say "mother's love", without specify who she means with mother.Um, problem here: Lelouch is technically the mother. I mean, he's a guy and she's a girl, but he's the mother and she's the father, because it's Lelouch who's still technically "pregnant" with them, if we wanted to carry the metaphor that far (he has yet to bring them into the world, afterall
Nope, just regular guards.
Amazing! Have +2 for effort!I got really, really bored. Have a charm tree. (@Alexander89, feel free to put this in your Oramus Charms doc.)
Ahah, sorry it's actually a gag I made up: that everyone call them Charms and use their names beside Lelouch and Seyrun. But I suppose they're part of Lelouch, so...fixed.
The thing is though that in a way they are his children. They may not be his children in the way that humans have children, but demons at all levels can procreate through some means or another, be it soul budding or some other means. How much they are actually his children and family entirely depends on how he views things. He can fully embrace them as family if he wants.
As long as it's not used too often it's fine. One thing to remember is that the Charm names in Old Realm have deeper meaning - every hieroglyph in Old Realm is representative of a concept, and our poor bastardized English translations fail to convey the full meanings.
He also uses it to explain why he opposes Britannia and his father to Orange-kun. When asked why, his response is "Because I am Lelouch vi Britannia". Like I said, he hates Britannia but he does take pride in his name in a way. He's royalty and he knows it, and it's not something he can bring himself to let go. The reason he doesn't use it otherwise is because he can't, not because he doesn't want to. If he could he would openly oppose Britannia as Lelouch vi Britannia, but there's too much danger to Nunnally if he does. @Alexander89 - since you're inside Lelouch's head, do you have any thoughts on this?
Now hold on now. I was fine with it being in there. Seryun actually knows the names (should be in his notes) but he doesn't use them. Lelouch didn't use names for the Charms because he didn't know them. The gag seems more that it's a pet peeve of Seyrun more than one of Lelouch. I think it more funny if Lelouch's souls disagree with Seyrun on it. It's just be one more bit of suffering for him since he's got to babysit.
Alexander89
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Uhm, if you ask me I would say it's as you said Enjou. Lelouch hates his father and the way he governs Britannia, not the concept of Britannia itself. You could say he sees himself as the heir who saw his own family and subjects being corrupted by decadence and hubris, and takes unto himself the task to set it straight. "Vi Britannia" for Lelouch represents what Britannia should be, not what is right now.
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Okay, let me try this again slowly
Procreate : To produce offspring; reproduce.
Now, try to pay attention because this is important, procreation is the act of reproduction, expasion of the species, the act of creating another being like you.
Thus even if demons can reproduce in many ways, no one would ever consider soul bunding a method of reproduction, since you aren't creating another, you are expanding the self, when you soul buds you aren't creating new souls, but evolving ito an entity who posses multiply souls.
They may be kind of like family, but they aren't separate entities, so in the end the children analogy only holds to escrutiny if you wan't to avoid exploring the nuances of the situation in favor of random hijinks, and personaly I believe the latter get old fast
Remenbering now, a good example would be Cytherea, in the beggining she should already have all her third and second circle souls, and yet she need to awake the other primordials sice she didn't wan't to be alone , so once more the biggest problem with the children analogy is how it goes straight against the basic fact that they are a component part of him
Random strange tought: making Green Sun Princes is the only way for the primordial themselfs actualy procreate, which means we realy should drop this analogy before it goes somewhere realy strange
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My argument is that the charms don't exist except as useful categories for the players to keep things organized. Why would the Ebon Dragon name his capacity to escape Bloodless Murk Evasion? He just dodges like he always does; the charm is part of his existence and spending essence is to him how burning calories is to us. Would you say that you use "Increasing Myofiber Recruitment Technique" to lift weights, or would you say that you're lifting weights? When we "learn a charm" we're altering our existence to incorporate that bit of the Yozi.
Ultimately, it's a stylistic choice. I'd prefer to read something like "Seeing the knife flung at him, Lelouch melted into shadow and flickered away in a cloud of darkness." rather than "Seeing the knife flung at him, Lelouch activated Bloodless Murk Evasion." It's a more organic description IMO.
As for the "vi Britannia" name, I suppose Lelouch would value it given what has been said, but I don't think his devas would use it. They're of Lelouch, not Britannia. Even then, devas don't really have "family" or "national" names, they just have their own identifier. There is, however, an identifying noun that encompasses all the devas of a given primordial. Those of Adorjan are called Sheridans, those of Gaia are called Kami, etc. So we should come up with a general category for devas of Lelouch.
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Absolutely
Alexander89
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Also, I like this very much (but shouldn't Britannia use Gaelic and/or Welsh or something?).
Don't forget that Lelouch's souls will also need a title, which will go a long way to define them. Look at canon examples to see what I mean.
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I like this one, it has my support.