Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

Anyway, we can discuss why, but we won't be able to use charms on Ligier right now. Maybe once we're around Essence 5 or so and have experience dealing with him, but not when we've only been an Infernal for a few days and are at Essence 3.

Probably not even a good idea at Essence 5, but regardless of this the GM has said for now it's not in character, so it's out.

Now maybe some discussion on the plan, or maybe more votes seeing as we get XP for more votes?
 
Probably not even a good idea at Essence 5, but regardless of this the GM has said for now it's not in character, so it's out.

Now maybe some discussion on the plan, or maybe more votes seeing as we get XP for more votes?
For the most part, I'm not seeing anything wrong, but I have to agree with the suggestion that you replace "Considering their Citizenship" with "Considering their Lack of Citizenship". Apart from that, maybe replace the supposition that Akito is a warrior of great power with something along the lines of "Judging from your and Slayer Akito's comments, Lord Ligier, it would seem as if he is a warrior of great power". The current phrasing kind of sounds like we weren't paying attention all the time IMO.
 
For the most part, I'm not seeing anything wrong, but I have to agree with the suggestion that you replace "Considering their Citizenship" with "Considering their Lack of Citizenship".

Already changed, as stated above. Also, it wasn't just "their citizenship", it was their "citizenship status", which from the very previous sentence should been clear - their citizen status is not having citizenship. Context clues, they're a thing! :V

Apart from that, maybe replace the supposition that Akito is a warrior of great power with something along the lines of "Judging from your and Slayer Akito's comments, Lord Ligier, it would seem as if he is a warrior of great power". The current phrasing kind of sounds like we weren't paying attention all the time IMO.

The wording outside the stunt isn't speech, so it doesn't matter overly much. Any reference to "you" or "your" in the arguments section is referring to Lelouch (us, the character), not someone else. Any oddness you can just chalk up as it being due to the fact that it took me a few hours to put everything together, while multitasking on other things. Still, I'll change it to something more clear.
 
Won't the other princes notice if we use our social attack.

1. A social attack isn't a Charm. Any attempt to convince someone of something, to get a reaction out of them, or things like that are considered a social attack, even from mortals.

2. Regarding whether they could see the use of our Excellency or not, most of them can't. Rakshata has a Charm that can see us using Essence (Essence-Disecting Stare) and she could probably figure out we're using our Excellency to convince Leila, though she can also use Factual Determination Analysis to see if we're lying about anything or omitting any meaningful information (we shouldn't be on either account). (also, she might have to roll off against Assumptions of Mu to get a result) And I don't think she'd care overly much anyways, considering we're arguing to get her more toys to look at. None of the others could tell what we're doing.
 
I like your plan otherwise Enjou, but there is one bit that has me worried:
Akito is somewhat hard to read, but his general attitude and rapport with Leila Malcal suggest he's likely personally loyal to her rather than the EU's military, and as such it is Major Malcal you will need to convince.
While you are propably reading right the part about Leila being the one we have to convince the most, it may not be wise to completely bypass Akito while trying to do so. If I remember WoG correctly, this is an AU Akito with a much different past (obvious because the early Exaltation) and thus also a much different personality underneath it all (not so obvious). The way he actually shushed Leila is what hints this the most to me. This Akito is used to being in a position to command others, though how often he feels the need to do so is unclear.

With that in mind, maybe change the wording somewhat to make it clear that we presenting the idea to Akito as our Peer, while still directing the argument to Leila? Maybe even just changing the beginning like this:
Stunt: "Peer Akito, Major Malcal, I would like to propose that we convince your superiors to send the W-0 unit to Japan. I believe it will be a much better environment for your pilots to operate in." While you have still a hard time getting a good read on Akito, Leila is clearly hesitant, but you can see that her interest is piqued. "How so?" she asks.
Not to mention Ligier might not look well on our behavior if we sideline a Peer in the decision making process and instead try to convince that Peer's newly Exalted Dragonblooded underling.
 
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My first reaction was "OH MY GOD KAGUYA DON'T INTERRUPT LIGIER!" My second thought was "Wait, why isn't she dead yet?"

Then I realized he was letting her speak, and I didn't understand anything anymore.
Imagine he pauses for a few seconds, subtly telling others they can present questions if they have any.
A most unfortunate typo.
Fixed. Thanks, I often confuse the two.
@Alexander89

Question though. Can you give a rough estimate on when the Philippines became Area 10 or shall I assume that the equivalent of the Spanish-American War happened?
The equivalent of the Spanish-American War is fine. I honestly have no idea how to put it otherwise: by watching the first episodes of CG, when it talks how Japan was conquered it's shown clearly that Britannia used the Philippines (and Hawaii) as points of deployment for their troops.
He may or may not (He has more than enough dice even without excellencies) but since this is his first contact with us, he probably want to make the best impression possible, to make us worship him unconditionally.

What i am saying is, there is not any logical reason to consider Excellency use insulting. Is like saying that acting politely (And thus, having a better chance of convincing him) is insulting.

(Hell, not using Excellencies is actually more insulting, since it means we aren't trying our best when talking with him)
The problem is that Lelouch doesn't know that. He doesn't perceive his Charms as working mechanically like we do, and has some doubts it's actually partial mind control. Thus he decided that it isn't worth it to use them on Ligier, both because they wouldn't work and also because he's afraid it would be seen negatively.

In short: because he doesn't have absolute certainty, Lelouch isn't going to risk.
Leila's appearance isn't high enough for her role in her show. ;P

edit: This is not appearance 3!
The pic and the cat convinced me. Fixed!
 
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Imagine he pauses for a few seconds, subtly telling others they can present questions if they have any.
Wait, what? Why I'm the one being quoted here? Because that is from Peanuckle's post:
My first reaction was "OH MY GOD KAGUYA DON'T INTERRUPT LIGIER!" My second thought was "Wait, why isn't she dead yet?"

Then I realized he was letting her speak, and I didn't understand anything anymore.
 
Attributes: Strength 2, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3; Charisma 3; Manipulation 2; Appearance 4; Perception 2; Intelligence 3; Wits 3
Leila's stats are off. "Starting" DBs should have an Attribute distribution of 7/6/4. Hers is currently 6/5/5. It looks like Social is Primary, Mental is Secondary, Physical is Tertiary? A suggestion would be:
For Social: Raise Manipulation to 3 or Appearance to 5
For Mental: Raise Intelligence or Wits to 4
For Physical: Lower Stamina to 2.
 
Wait, what? Why I'm the one being quoted here? Because that is from Peanuckle's post:
Oops sorry, my mistake!
Leila's stats are off. "Starting" DBs should have an Attribute distribution of 7/6/4. Hers is currently 6/5/5. It looks like Social is Primary, Mental is Secondary, Physical is Tertiary? A suggestion would be:
For Social: Raise Manipulation to 3 or Appearance to 5
For Mental: Raise Intelligence or Wits to 4
For Physical: Lower Stamina to 2.
This works, thanks.

I made some changes to the list of Britannia's Areas. The reasoning I have adopted here is that, after conquering both North and South America, Britannia expanded across the Pacific Ocean, culminating in the conquest of Japan. The rest was either devoid of value (like Australia) or territory of the Chinese Confederation. After that they started expanding across the Atlantic Ocean, and that's how Cornelia came to blow with the Middle East Feredation. How, I am not sure since the position really doesn't make sense, unless they started conquering Africa...
 
I like your plan otherwise Enjou, but there is one bit that has me worried:

While you are propably reading right the part about Leila being the one we have to convince the most, it may not be wise to completely bypass Akito while trying to do so. If I remember WoG correctly, this is an AU Akito with a much different past (obvious because the early Exaltation) and thus also a much different personality underneath it all (not so obvious). The way he actually shushed Leila is what hints this the most to me. This Akito is used to being in a position to command others, though how often he feels the need to do so is unclear.

With that in mind, maybe change the wording somewhat to make it clear that we presenting the idea to Akito as our Peer, while still directing the argument to Leila? Maybe even just changing the beginning like this:

Not to mention Ligier might not look well on our behavior if we sideline a Peer in the decision making process and instead try to convince that Peer's newly Exalted Dragonblooded underling.

This is a good point. I'll edit in your changes.
 
Leila's Charms are done. For now she isn't much, but she will get better. As I said have +2 Xp for the help.

I will be away for most of the afternoon. Oh, I also added and linked Enjou's plan to the post: this should make easier for people to vote.
 
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This is a good point. I'll edit in your changes.
Looks good for me after that edit.

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One thing still, though it might not require any changes. About the Oramus Excellency used, does the stunt fit enough themes of our Patron Yozi? I think at least these three are included: wisdom commensurate because he displays his, well, wisdom in the matters of war, solutions none thought possible as no-one has yet to seriously come up with a truly workable plan for liberating Japan and of course adores rebellion as we are preparing for it with trying to get support for it.
 
One thing still, though it might not require any changes. About the Oramus Excellency used, does the stunt fit enough themes of our Patron Yozi? I think at least these three are included: wisdom commensurate because he displays his, well, wisdom in the matters of war, solutions none thought possible as no-one has yet to seriously come up with a truly workable plan for liberating Japan and of course adores rebellion as we are preparing for it with trying to get support for it.

I make an explicit mention of "seven years" of Britannian oppression. Numerology for the win.
 
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