Until they wise up, anyway.
Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
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There's this one particular interaction between Charms that is powerful enough I'm not sure it would be allowed, and also suggests a basic foundation for a character. It requires E5, so they couldn't start with it, but I want to know if it's even valid as something for them to aspire to.
Before I even get into that particular combo, through, you'd probably like to hear about the character. She would be an extraordinarily stubborn person even for an Exalt, one who absolutely refuses to lose or be forced into things she doesn't want to do. Not necessarily someone who won't accept others' leadership, but someone who refuses to let others change them, defining themselves by their beliefs (even if I haven't figured out the specifics of what those are yet, in the five minutes I've thought about this). She would be a Chosen of Malfeas and SWLIHN (though I'm not sure which is Caste and which is Favored), and would almost certainly start with Emerald Angel Unfurling and Impervious Primacy Mantle.
As for the actual charm question, there is a Malfeas Charm called Driven Beyond Death which can be activated for one mote and one Willpower when an attack would send you into your Dying HLs, which stops the damage at Incapacitated, makes you completely invulnerable from then until the end of your next action, which can only be to either activate a Shintai Charm or stay Inactive, then gives you ten Offensive motes and lets you act despite being Incapacitated at the cost of three Offensive motes per round. In addition, it prevents you from Healing while it is on, and makes it so that any individual source of damage that would do less than Essencex3 final damage (by which i mean not just post-soak, but after everything else that applies post-soak) to you does not do any damage. Then, when it ends, you get a Stamina+Resistance roll to heal one HL, even if the damage is Aggravated. Heuristic Logos Shintai, among its other affects, reduces final damage to the minimum damage for the attack, and I can't think of any way to get a minimum damage of 15. Would this actually prevent her from being injured at all while it is on, or do they not work together because they both say they apply after everything else?
And is my idea of the character a good starting point to build on, and how much more detail do you want me to go into if it is?
Looks like Willpower 10, Conviction 5, Cosmic Transcendence of Conviction?
Yes. That's also important. And maybe Valor 5, Cosmic Transcendence of Valor (for how she feels about losing), which would certainly make it clear she would die if we can't give her guidance on how to achieve her goals safely.
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honstly, we could probably truly turn some of them. either under the guise of a temporary enemy of my enemy situation, or simply show them how the yozis suffer in hell. I don't think you need to be compassion 5 to look at oramus and want to at least lessen his torment. surely some compromise could be reached? perhaps have the yozi agree to leave humanity to its own devices? there's a whole empty universe out there, surely giving the yozi some of it would harm no one?
and for those whose virtue run more towards conviction, well surely the very existence of the green sun princes proves that to leave the yozi in such torment that they were willing to treat with the neverborn for a slim chance of escape is a bad idea. the change left us with lightyears of empty worlds out there, surely some sort of deal could be reached? strengthen the oths against harming humanity in exchange for free run of some part of the vast empty cosmos? if nothing else offering such a deal to the yozi who seek freedom rather than revenge would reduce the number of threats. not to mention secure powerful aid against the neverborn and there 150 exalted pawns who seek to slay existence itself.
and this is all before we remember the great curse itself was crafted by the yozi. if they have even a small amount of control over it... well our side would look a lot more appealing if the solars fighting us kept randomly committing atrocities now wouldn't it?
on the face of it, treating with the yozi sounds impossible, but if anything that would make it more attractive a proposition to the solars , after all what else are they for if not doing the impossible? for every solar this worked on, not only would it be one less foe on the field, but it would be another powerful ally.
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I don't believe they would agree to that.
There are 100 Abyssal Exaltations, not 150.
It was the Neverborn, not the Yozis.
Alexander89
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There is a reason for that, hinted at in the past posts.
The Yozi would be pleased by that.
Alright, in order: the character is okay, you can't choose Emerald Angel Unfurling because characters can't start with Heretical Charms and by god that is a pretty powerful combo. I am that as a GM I have to put a veto on that, meaning you need to choose one of them, preferably the second one to be activated.And, I have a problem. Namely, choosing starting Charms for Leila. I am totally unfamiliar with Dragonblooded (and Abyssal and Sidereal) so I have no idea what to choose. In this case I will give 2 Xp to whoever propose seven Charms for Leila (best if they choose Errata 2.5, but if they are overpowered is okay: she will need the advantage).
I'll try my hand at this after work today.
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well obviously we don't tell the solars that, also some of the Yozi are desperate enough to escape that they might truly agree to such a deal.
I could have sworn, ok well that bit won't work then.
oh right, they split the 150 they caught. sorry I cannot math right now, still the 100 exalts working to kill everything right now are a much more pressing threat than the 50 working towards eventually freeing their masters hundreds of years from now.
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Ok, points to raise for a plan...
I'll still need to work on a stunt and figure out how best to use our Charms here (likely just Excellencies to increase the dice pool), likely for convincing Leila, but if anyone has any thoughts on anything to change, add, or remove please let me know.
EDIT - spoilered for space. Final version in vote.
- Because the survival and training of the future Infernals is a key part of the group's objectives, obviously the survival of the current Infernals is of paramount importance to make that possible. Survival is more likely if everyone here is working together, rather than scattered. Kaguya, Milly, and yourself are all currently in Japan and should be able to work together readily. Rakshata has already shown interest in coming to Japan, and we are more than willing to have Kallen be the test pilot for the Guren Mk-II. That leaves the matter of Akito and Leila.
-- You believe it to be essential for Akito to be near your team in order to fight any kill-teams sent after your group. Akito is a Slayer, and therefore likely to be a warrior of great power. While you can easily make yourself an elite Knightmare pilot thanks to your Caste's favored abilities, you are limited in the time and effort you can spend making yourself personally capable in other areas of combat given your other responsibilities. You suspect the others are in a similar situation, being focused on political efforts in the case of Milly and Kaguya or scientific pursuits in the case of Rakshata. To balance this out the four of you need Akito close by.
-- Now, unless Akito and Leila are willing to abandon their positions in the EU military and their W-0 unit - something you suspect at least Leila will be strongly against - their superiors would need to be convinced to send their unit to Japan to work your own forces towards the goal of liberating Japan from Britannia. Akito is somewhat hard to read, but his general attitude and rapport with Leila Malcal suggest he's likely personally loyal to her rather than the EU's military, and as such it is Miss Malcal you will need to convince.
--- Given her own treatment of Akito she does not seem to discriminate against the Japanese. As such you doubt she'd approve of her unit being sent on suicide missions. Convincing her that working with you is more likely to ensure their survival, as you would not treat her people as disposable. Further, given her unit is using prototypes you would think she's working closely with scientists and engineers. You are certain that Rakshata would be eager to see their work, and could likely help them improve upon it, which would further increase the chance of her people surviving any conflict.
--- If she seems particularly sympathetic to the status of the Japanese refugees in the EU, which you suspect is not good given what you've learned, point out that with Japan being liberated they could return to their home nation. There they would not be unjustly discriminated against, and could lead happier lives.
- As an extension of that, you need to speak about how Japan fits into your plans as the ideal beachhead for the Reclamation as well as a vital linchpin to any effort for defeating Britannia.
-- Japan contains 70% of the world's known Sakuradite reserves. This makes Japan a strategic location with few equals in the world.
--- By freeing Japan from Britannia's control it severely weakens their ability to wage war abroad. From Knightmares to common guns, the Britannian war machine runs on Sakuradite. Similarly, that advantage could become that of the Reclamation if Japan comes under its control.
---- This is also a good negotiation point with the EU for sending the W-0 unit to Japan. The geographic location of Japan makes it impossible for the EU to gain control it, as they'd have to go through either Britannia or the Chinese Federation, neither of which is possible. An independent Japan is therefore better for them, especially if they have friendly relations. Britannia would be weakened, and their other rival wouldn't gain an advantage either, but by helping the revolution they could gain an advantage from increased Sakuradite sent to them. Also, just for completeness of the argument to present to the EU, if your revolution were to fail (something you assure Lord Ligier will not happen) the EU already views W-0 as disposable and could simply claim the group went rogue, but still get the combat data for the Alexanders. Participation is a win-win situation for them.
-- With Japan freed, showing that an Area can liberate itself, rebellion will increase in other places conquered by Britannia, further weakening it.
-- Japan is an ideal location to lay the foundation for achieving the objective Oramus has given you - creating an empire greater and more unique than Britannia. While greatness and uniqueness are somewhat subjective in nature, it should very much be possible to eventually meet both criteria. This is also a good platform that may be helpful for meeting the orders of the other Infernals here. For example, Milly has been ordered to have people renounce the rigid laws of Area 11, and so you could make your empire more unique by encouraging a more free thinking, fun loving culture among the citizens of your empire. You are certain you can work in other goals as well.
--- Very importantly, addressing this final point to Lord Ligier specifically, is that any empire you build must encourage it's people to worship the Yozis. Japan is, again, ideal for this, as there are many disenfranchised people and cults have already begun being built. The cursed and corrupt gods have done nothing to help them, so the Yozis and their champions are obvious alternatives. With Japan under your rule and worshiping the the Yozis, your empire will become a subordinate kingdom to Hell, one that recognizes the world's True Masters and serves their ends.
-- You believe it to be essential for Akito to be near your team in order to fight any kill-teams sent after your group. Akito is a Slayer, and therefore likely to be a warrior of great power. While you can easily make yourself an elite Knightmare pilot thanks to your Caste's favored abilities, you are limited in the time and effort you can spend making yourself personally capable in other areas of combat given your other responsibilities. You suspect the others are in a similar situation, being focused on political efforts in the case of Milly and Kaguya or scientific pursuits in the case of Rakshata. To balance this out the four of you need Akito close by.
-- Now, unless Akito and Leila are willing to abandon their positions in the EU military and their W-0 unit - something you suspect at least Leila will be strongly against - their superiors would need to be convinced to send their unit to Japan to work your own forces towards the goal of liberating Japan from Britannia. Akito is somewhat hard to read, but his general attitude and rapport with Leila Malcal suggest he's likely personally loyal to her rather than the EU's military, and as such it is Miss Malcal you will need to convince.
--- Given her own treatment of Akito she does not seem to discriminate against the Japanese. As such you doubt she'd approve of her unit being sent on suicide missions. Convincing her that working with you is more likely to ensure their survival, as you would not treat her people as disposable. Further, given her unit is using prototypes you would think she's working closely with scientists and engineers. You are certain that Rakshata would be eager to see their work, and could likely help them improve upon it, which would further increase the chance of her people surviving any conflict.
--- If she seems particularly sympathetic to the status of the Japanese refugees in the EU, which you suspect is not good given what you've learned, point out that with Japan being liberated they could return to their home nation. There they would not be unjustly discriminated against, and could lead happier lives.
- As an extension of that, you need to speak about how Japan fits into your plans as the ideal beachhead for the Reclamation as well as a vital linchpin to any effort for defeating Britannia.
-- Japan contains 70% of the world's known Sakuradite reserves. This makes Japan a strategic location with few equals in the world.
--- By freeing Japan from Britannia's control it severely weakens their ability to wage war abroad. From Knightmares to common guns, the Britannian war machine runs on Sakuradite. Similarly, that advantage could become that of the Reclamation if Japan comes under its control.
---- This is also a good negotiation point with the EU for sending the W-0 unit to Japan. The geographic location of Japan makes it impossible for the EU to gain control it, as they'd have to go through either Britannia or the Chinese Federation, neither of which is possible. An independent Japan is therefore better for them, especially if they have friendly relations. Britannia would be weakened, and their other rival wouldn't gain an advantage either, but by helping the revolution they could gain an advantage from increased Sakuradite sent to them. Also, just for completeness of the argument to present to the EU, if your revolution were to fail (something you assure Lord Ligier will not happen) the EU already views W-0 as disposable and could simply claim the group went rogue, but still get the combat data for the Alexanders. Participation is a win-win situation for them.
-- With Japan freed, showing that an Area can liberate itself, rebellion will increase in other places conquered by Britannia, further weakening it.
-- Japan is an ideal location to lay the foundation for achieving the objective Oramus has given you - creating an empire greater and more unique than Britannia. While greatness and uniqueness are somewhat subjective in nature, it should very much be possible to eventually meet both criteria. This is also a good platform that may be helpful for meeting the orders of the other Infernals here. For example, Milly has been ordered to have people renounce the rigid laws of Area 11, and so you could make your empire more unique by encouraging a more free thinking, fun loving culture among the citizens of your empire. You are certain you can work in other goals as well.
--- Very importantly, addressing this final point to Lord Ligier specifically, is that any empire you build must encourage it's people to worship the Yozis. Japan is, again, ideal for this, as there are many disenfranchised people and cults have already begun being built. The cursed and corrupt gods have done nothing to help them, so the Yozis and their champions are obvious alternatives. With Japan under your rule and worshiping the the Yozis, your empire will become a subordinate kingdom to Hell, one that recognizes the world's True Masters and serves their ends.
I'll still need to work on a stunt and figure out how best to use our Charms here (likely just Excellencies to increase the dice pool), likely for convincing Leila, but if anyone has any thoughts on anything to change, add, or remove please let me know.
EDIT - spoilered for space. Final version in vote.
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codeRR
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What would we do without you Enjou?
Oh yeah, I suppose we could use that. The low grade stuff I'm presuming, as the other types don't scale well. But yeah, that would also have the advantage of being something the enemy couldn't replicate easily. They'd have to spend time figuring out how to adapt the tech of any captured armor to Sakuradite or something else instead.
Spend long hours writing up plans?
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maybe include the idea of using Japan as a rally point for the nations that wish to stand against britannia? if nothing else to avoid them simply coming back the next year with a bigger army. I mean the EU and Chinese Federation would have to be several levels beyond pants on head retarded not to see that britannia is a larger threat to them than they are to each other by orders of magnitude.
That's the argument for getting the EU to support us - weakening Britannia makes their own position more secure. Of the three major powers in the world, the EU is most on the defensive. An independent Japan is best for them, since they can't make Japan theirs. The Chinese Federation on the other hand is in a position where they could take Japan, and in canon they did make an attempt at it. Right now they aren't feeling very threatened, I think. They only agreed to the whole marriage deal after it became clear they couldn't win against Britannia militarily so that they could preserve their own status.
meianmaru
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Mkay, I too don't know much about them, but after quick glance through them, these ones seemed fitting/useful for Leila. Does anyone else have any ideas/suggestions/criticism?
Air
Lore:
-Elemental Bolt Attack (Shoot out an elemental attack)
-Elemental Concentration Trance (Study things fast)
Linguistics:
-Language Learning Ritual (Learn temporarily to speak/write a language fluently)
-Cipher Missive (Use a supernatural Cipher that persons/groups you specify can read)
Water
Martial arts:
-Blade Deflecting Palm (Block bladed and other Lethal -damage melee attacks without penalties)
-Become the Hammer (Deal Lethal damage instead of Bashing with your fists)
Wood
Ride:
-Heaven-Graced Riding Technique (A set of benefits for riding after activating the Charm until the user's next action)
Also, about Leila's skills:
As she is in the army, shouldn't she also have the Firearms -skill?
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they still think they could fight Britannia on there own? are they stupid? or do they just not grasp by what margin Britannias technology outsrips theres? they could be a problem then. an independent japan would be a small nation with little industry, and a massive pile strategic resources. if we only have the EU trying to support our independence then it's just going to be a race between the chinese federation and britanya to see witch one of them snaps us up first.
sigh, maybe we could wait to openly free japan until Britannia is an obvious enough threat to them that they've realized that yes there is a serious existential threat to their nation coming for them.
I don't really think that's a good idea, seeing as how when the High Eunuchs realized that in canon, they sold out the whole country in exchange for status as Britannian nobles.
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well we'll be adding them to the list then. yozis damn it, how many governments are we going to have to topple before we can get these idiots to rally against the blatantly obvious common threat?
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I suspect we won't need to. They are so incompetent that some Solar or something will probably depose them sooner or later.
(A greatest problem arises if large swats of China are conquered by Abyssal led Zombie Armies, something that can totally happen)
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well if we find a solar with a good head on there shoulders trying to knock those idiots out of power we should probably try and help them. make sure they only talk to Kaguya and even if there super mega good at reading peopel they will think we're good peopel. even if they meet us we could probably talk them into agreeing we are less of a threat than the death knights and britannia.
if we leave the idiot eunuchs to collapse under their own incompetence there's too much change of a hostile power subverting them.
if we leave the idiot eunuchs to collapse under their own incompetence there's too much change of a hostile power subverting them.
Jaw-drops are the best reaction.
My first reaction was "OH MY GOD KAGUYA DON'T INTERRUPT LIGIER!" My second thought was "Wait, why isn't she dead yet?"
Then I realized he was letting her speak, and I didn't understand anything anymore.
A most unfortunate typo.
Oh Leila, you're so funny, trying to withhold knowledge from the Unquestionable. She really is in an awkward position; she doesn't know anything about the supernatural and is still loyal to the EU, but then she gets brought to literal Hell and her subordinate just starts revealing all the classified information. Poor girl is gonna need to get used to being a double-agent.
Leila is a Lieutenant Colonel, in charge of her unit. She ought to have some commander-type charms rather than straight-up combat.
I offer these for consideration.
War:
First War Excellency- Enhances the skill of the character at guiding the flow of combat.
Leading From Below- The character acts as an excellent officer, boosting the abilities of her leader and unit.
Roaring Dragon Officer- The character is superb at giving orders and coordinating her unit, plus emboldens her unit and helps them fight longer.
Awareness:
First Awareness Excellency- Enhances the skill of the character at noticing things and detecting danger.
All-Encompassing Earth Sense- The character and those she protects cannot be surprised; they are aware of all nearby enemies.
Bureaucracy:
Confluence of Savage Thought- Gives the character a deep understanding of a given organization and aiding her in dealing with it (critical for any military officer!).
Melee:
Dragon-Graced Weapon- Imbues a weapon with energy, offering various effects depending on her aspect.
Air buffets the target, subtracting two dice from her next action.
Earth triggers a tremor beneath the target's feet, forcing her player to roll (Dexterity + Athletics), diffi culty 4, to keep the character from falling.
Fire sets the target ablaze for a single action, giving a +4L bonus to the Dragon-Blood's damage dice pool.
Water fills the target's lungs with seawater, adding three ticks before her next action due to violent coughing.
Wood poisons the target's blood, causing her to suffer a -1 penalty on all actions for the scene if her player fails a reflexive (Stamina + Resistance) roll.
Earth triggers a tremor beneath the target's feet, forcing her player to roll (Dexterity + Athletics), diffi culty 4, to keep the character from falling.
Fire sets the target ablaze for a single action, giving a +4L bonus to the Dragon-Blood's damage dice pool.
Water fills the target's lungs with seawater, adding three ticks before her next action due to violent coughing.
Wood poisons the target's blood, causing her to suffer a -1 penalty on all actions for the scene if her player fails a reflexive (Stamina + Resistance) roll.
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Going by the canon CG-verse, which is not necessarily the case but does serve as a basis. We'll probably have to overthrow everyone by the end of it. Zero does it to the Chinese Federation with Xingke and Tianzi while Lelouch as himself overthrows Britannia and turns its system upside down in preparation for the Zero Requiem gambit, letting Nunnally etc actually have a favourable situation to use after his death.
Although yes, we should not count out the ambitions of various Exalts even if Lelouch as an Infernal has an absolutely ridiculous backing force behind him.
Although yes, we should not count out the ambitions of various Exalts even if Lelouch as an Infernal has an absolutely ridiculous backing force behind him.
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Keep in mind that the Chinese Federation has not yet fought a war against Britannia, so no, they don't realize quite how outclassed they are technologically. They do know that Britannia has better technology though, yet because they've developed their own Knightmare frames for mass-production they don't quite care. The Gun-Ru is a fourth generation frame, but they're cheap and easy to make. China has a massive population, so they're willing to use overwhelming numbers to counter advanced technology.
Another thing to keep in mind is that they think that if they take Japan, they can remove Britannia's advantage by keeping the biggest supply of Sakuradite out of enemy hands. They attempted this in canon by having a "Japanese" invasion force go in and try to take it so they could install a puppet government. The failure of this and the Black Rebellion is what lead them to finally realizing they were outclassed. However, had they succeeded they would have been in a significantly better position, as they are much better located to maintain control of Japan than Britannia is.
Also, it's noteworthy that at this time that Britannia still considers the EU a serious opponent. It's only when Britannia really gets its Seventh Generation Knightmares and the related tech deployed in greater quantities that they are able to make it a rather one-sided affair.
Japan under our rule will have the full backing of Hell. We'll have demons and resources from Hell, not just Japan. Also, as other Areas rise up and other issues such as Abyssal Exalted (like the one likely present in Argentina, given the shadowland growing there), Britannia will likely have to devote a lot of resources to dealing with the homefront.
It should also be kept in mind that we do have other allies. India wants to regain their independence from the Chinese Federation, which is why they're trying to support Japan - they want Japan to help them once they're free.
As was mentioned, we don't want that since they'll surrender through marriage.
They were always on the list. All three of the superpowers are tyrannical in their own way. Britannia has its nobles, particularly oppressing the Numbers. The Chinese Federation has incredible wealth disparity, with the bulk of its population being poor. The EU is nominally a democracy and is the least of the three evils, but they are still ultimately ruled by the rich and have a great deal of people living poverty, such as the Japanese refugees.
And really, our goal is world domination - accomplishing that will require toppling everyone.
We really need to stop that.
Ideally, Brittannia should be out-teched.