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Although the whole idea of the Technocracy kind of depends on consensus reality actually being true and I am fairly sure it isn't in Dresden files.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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The Techbane is a thing literally because people believe that magic screws with tech.
And in the past it did things like curdle milk and give people warts because people believed that magic did those things.
So bluntly, yes, Consensus Reality is in Dresden Files.
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fictionfan
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So there might be super science flavored mages? Of course the other half of the Technocracy is how they relentlessly hunt down and kill mages and other reality deviants.
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Ehhhh its only wizard magic for the most part though and before the milk stuff fire glowed weirdly around wizards. Wizard magic seems to come with a cost seems to be the theme not that belief did that to magic. Though belief is clearly powerful in dresden files its not everything.
Something inspired by them might be kicking around, but it'd have to be pretty different.
Mortal magic of the current era can't interact with tech in a non-destructive fashion, so while scientifically investigating it is possible doing the stuff the technocrats did with it probably isn't.
Their existence would also radically change how the setting's politics work in a way that should be immediately evident, so I'd take that as an indication that they aren't kicking around even setting aside the differences in magic.
Their back story would have to be so different they might as well be a brand new faction.
No it isn't.
The laws of magic shift slowly over time, and tech bane is what they're set to now.
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I don't know where you get the idea that the belief came first either. Tech being fouled by magic is a sort of uncommon trope, and the vast majority of humans IC don't know magic is real and don't have concrete opinions to form a consensus about it.
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though I believe dp misinterpreted it or is using other things so it might straight up have always been tech bane given what was said previously.
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Hellscry Chakra works on everyone, not just CoDs.
You mean like when the Denarians snatched the Archive? Or when the naagloshii kidnapped Thomas?
My dude, we're hotshit, but there's more than a few players out there who, if given the opportunity, can and will corncob us.
Do not get cocky.
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fictionfan
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Yes exactly like that. The Denarians might beat us in a fight it's even likely, but if they then capture us round 2 is going to have us kick their asses. I am not being cocky I am just recognizing that the times that we are at our most powerful are very unintuitive and so it objectively makes sense for us to do things that seem very silly intuitively.
Not according to the charm. Maybe there has been a house ruling by PD? I know that is the case with MIS.
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[X] Plan: Answering the Question
My issue with this is that power isn't the same as leverage, if they set the stage they get input on the results.
We can push our way through a certain amount of interference, but that doesn't mean things being easier actually makes macro level stuff a nonissue. The easiest way to screw with an exalt like this is to (try to) make them choose between mutually exclusive successes where they aren't willing to lose on either.
For example, suppose someone took two hostages and sent them out of the country in opposite directions. First time the kidnappers lose contact with one another they start mutilating their hostage.Then they capture us.
Or maybe they do it the other way around and let us murk chaff while they do something else in the city.
Such a situation wouldn't be an instant loss for us, but it would be a very nasty complication that the -3 difficulty mitigates but doesn't fully compensate for.
You can win every battle you fight and still lose the war if the enemy is good enough at ensuring that they control when and where they happen.
Which is really what a good antagonist for an exalt should be doing anyway if they're not good enough to put up a straight fight.*
* Which many things are when you're talking about nerfed ExWoD exalts and the Dresden Files, since the power gradient isn't so slanted towards the exalts any more.
-3 dif while in confinement doesn't matter if we don't have the Essence and Health levels to actually take advantage of it. Denarians aren't scrubs; if they manage to incapacitate current Molly, expect them to actually succeed at confinement afterward.
Also, all that stuff that Bronze Tongue said does apply.
fictionfan
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If they imprison us to a similar standard as they did everyone else they imprisoned in the books then no.
Also surrendering is actually a viable strategy for Molly even if it would be stupid for anyone else.
Also yes it is possible for people with infinite resources who know our abilities better than we do to manage to force us into losing situations. But that isn't the sort of people who believe that they can steal our exaltation.
I wouldn't want to surrender to anyone we actually need that boost to fight.
The core assumption of your approach here is essentially that everyone is incompetent. I really doubt that anyone worth remembering the name of would make the mistake of treating Molly like a mortal wizard.
Is it possible that some case will come up where surrendering is actually the best way to win? Sure, anything's possible. The other 99% of the time it's basically a solution in search of a problem it can reasonably be applied to.
People don't need to have infinite resources to screw us over, or perfect knowledge of Molly's abilities. They just need to be familiar with the idea that getting in stabbing range of a god is a bad idea and plan around that to be a serious problem.
Sometimes things are counterintuitive because they're bad ideas in the vast majority of applicable cases, not because there's some neat exploit hidden behind them.
fictionfan
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Do you think that the Fetches were being incredibly incompetent when they nailed Molly onto a cross and thought that was an effective way to imprison her?
Do you think that if someone in the future did that it would mean that they were incredibly incompetent? No it just means that they don't know about CCC and how bullshit it is.
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But they are the sort who might want to remove us from contention, in which case our surrender would likely lead to us being promptly executed. They also might have some way to harness it for power or otherwise utilize it without actually having to separate us from our exaltation, which might actually be worse.
So, question: how does that interact with wound penalties, among other things?
I think that the -4 penalty from crippled (?) level of injury would more than cancel that out, to say nothing of whatever additional curses and whatnot they might put on us while we're incapacitated (during which we (presumably) won't be able to counterspell those, and they may well be able to keep throwing them at us until they stick).
Also, are there ways to drain essence from someone (cause them to be tapped out)?
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OctarineShrike
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I expect if they capture us we'd be fighting at least 4 denarians simultaneously if we break their restraints. Or they'd use hostages.
Does the thread have a possibility to what Andrea is? I though minor talent at first, but now i'm thinking... Orpheus.
I think she's a medium. References to the 'thousand tiny flies beating against the veil' and 'world feels slippery' makes me think of someone that can see things and tether ghosts voluntarily.
Orpheus would also mix well with a sneaky sneaky 3 letter agency and is the 'most human' world of darkness gameline (which is ironic, because they're the ones that have to deal with the most obnoxiously outmatched and inhumane enemy in their campaign - a avatar of Oblivion. Moral is monsters are useless even when they've been preparing and accumulating power for centuries).
We should buy all-encompassing sorcerer's sight. Or at least, the mage version.
I think she's a medium. References to the 'thousand tiny flies beating against the veil' and 'world feels slippery' makes me think of someone that can see things and tether ghosts voluntarily.
Orpheus would also mix well with a sneaky sneaky 3 letter agency and is the 'most human' world of darkness gameline (which is ironic, because they're the ones that have to deal with the most obnoxiously outmatched and inhumane enemy in their campaign - a avatar of Oblivion. Moral is monsters are useless even when they've been preparing and accumulating power for centuries).
We should buy all-encompassing sorcerer's sight. Or at least, the mage version.
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I think that regardless of what we vote to reply the immediate response should be along the lines of "clarify your non-standard terminology so that we don't miscommunicate"
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
The name is rather telling. The title of Von has been defective since WW1. So she may have her origins around that time.
She may have also made a deal with the Hell of Maggots, or a Lord from that hell, given the buzzing sounds.
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That's not correct.
While the title doesn't formally exist anymore, people are still allowed to bear it in their names.
Both people who still give claim some noble title (without any privileges before the law of course) and many who merely have it as part of their last name as some vestigal remnant of their family's former titles.
I do know quite a few people who still have a "von" or a "zu" in their names.
fictionfan
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I wish that we had rolled more successes on that check. I personally have no idea what that mark is doing.
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Uncanny (1 to 5 pt. Flaw)
No matter how unobtrusive you try to be, you remain remarkably memorable to anyone who encounters you. You're the very opposite of "arcane," which is why this Flaw was originally described as an adversarial Background for the Trait of that name; rather than moving through life with near-invisibility, you stand out like a HIT Mark at a Verbena barbeque. Why are you memorable, exactly? Is it an inhuman glow behind your eyes? An unsettling tone in your voice? A metaphysical miasma that hangs about you despite your apparently mundane appearance? Does grass grow or die in your shadow? Maybe dogs cower when they sense your approach. There could be a low buzzing in your presence, like a chorus of flies, or a disconcerting crackle of electricity that radiates from your skin, disrupting electrical systems in small but noticeable ways. Whatever it is that causes people to remember you, that facet of your presence is a constant reminder that you are not like other folk. Once again, the point-value of this Flaw depends upon the extent to which it interferes with your life:
• (1 point) You stand out in a crowd.
• (2 points) It's pretty hard to conceal your oddities.
• (3 points) People remember you long after you're gone.
• (4 points) You creep people out simply by existing.
• (5 points) You scare people simply by existing. By its nature, this Flaw represents an unmistakable impression.
Each point in this Flaw adds one die to the dice pool of anyone who's trying to notice you, recognize you, or penetrate your attempts at stealth or concealment. (You didn't really think those wailing damned souls were gonna shut up just because you were trying to get past the guards, now did you?) You may, however, attempt to cover up your uncanny presence with a roll of Intelligence + Subterfuge, assuming you have a method of doing so – it's easier to conceal your glowing red eyes with sunglasses than to get those wailing damned souls to piss off for a few minutes! The difficulty of such attempts is generally 5 + the value of your Uncanny Flaw; if, for instance, the clever bioconstruct Victoria Carliotti gets two points in Uncanny for her too-perfect skin, rippling muscles, and impossibly green eyes, her concealment difficulty would be 7. That said, this Flaw does not increase the difficulty of social rolls and may, depending on what you're trying to do, decrease such difficulties instead (Storyteller's option). Despite the potentially grotesque nature of this Flaw, your uncanniness doesn't necessarily have to mean that your physical features are fearsome in themselves. An inhumanly gorgeous or disturbingly ordinary person can be Uncanny in their own ways. This Flaw makes an excellent companion to a variety of Physical Merits and Flaws – Enchanting Feature, Hyperflexible, Hideous, and so forth – and fits in with Backgrounds like Legend, Past Life or Totem quite well too. (See the appropriate entries for details.) Although the Flaw: Echoes can manifest similar odd phenomena, this Flaw reflects a constant and recognizable distinction. While it probably embodies certain elements of your metaphysical practices, it's not tied to your Resonance or activities – it's an innate part of who you are. Your uncanniness could represent physical features (hulking physique, metallic skin, eyes that reflect eternity, and so forth); metaphysical quirks (an unearthly aura, echoing disembodied voices, a chilling radius around you, etc.); weird companions (a parade of pink-winged kittens, smoldering butterflies, howling coyote spirits, or similar inexplicable critters). Essentially, any sort of localized kink in normalcy's tail could be considered a sign of your Uncanny nature. By "uncanny," incidentally, we don't necessarily mean "supernatural." The unnatural stillness of a Black Suit, the flawless skin of a Victor, the predatory charisma of a Syndicate "magic man" – they're all examples of uncannily Enlightened technology.