Maybe they don't have identical senses.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Maybe they don't have identical senses.
Can. Isn't at all guaranteed to bother, at least for now. Right now we are a minor enemy of Winter.
I read initial Laundry Files books. Didn't like them much.
Cynicism is warranted. Lack of internal and external accountability isn't. It always leads to organizational decay.
Briefly, yeah. Emergency standards might be different.
Then again, Samson was a Judge of Israel, and was also a provocative shithead who was fucking a Philistine callgirl, and kept going into Philistine cities in the knowledge that it would provoke reaction.
So, you know. Community standards might have changed.
Hmm.
Woulda thought Hyde would have had good enough senses to tell.
No.
It means the cost of exercising those powers might be more than they are willing to pay.
And wise people know the perils of fucking around and finding out.
People successfully attacked and got away from Arctis Tor.
Thats not necessarily something whose details Mab wants advertised by winter fae.
Hell, thats something winter fae probably dont talk about, even without Mab issuing a mandate.
Fair. I would have thought it would be right up your alley
I havent read the last two or three books, but its a favorite series of mine. The invasion of Britain by extradimensional elves on unicorns and dragons, the invasion of the Laundry by an elder vampire, the extradimensional visit to a dead planet because the Nazis succeeded in a summoning of an extradimensional infovore eating all the information in that universe....
Critically, in that series universe, the occult CIA, called the Black Chamber, went rogue a lomg time ago, and essentially took over the country.
Sure, agreed. But like I said, to who?
We know too little about their organization to come to any conclusions one way or the other.
We're going to be looking now.
But just from what Von Trier has said, we can infer that they had oversight pre-1950.
It wasnt until the 1950s that they went silent running.
Which was when the Cold War kicked into high gear, and McCarthyite hysteria was a thing.
And frankly, the US natsec apparatus was crazy in those days of MKULTRA, radiation and chemical weapon testing on "volunteers".
Id want to hide magic from them too, before someone would make a contract with one of the Infernal powers and get the nation ganged up on by everyone else in response.
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Do whatcha want I'm just mentioning everything we know probably isn't true especially in a setting like this.
There were summer fae involved in the attack. While "deny, deny, deny" is a viable political tactic when dealing inconvenient facts, I would think Mab is smarter. And fae are unable to lie, even if they can twist the truth.
Yeah, I read the first several books, than dropped it. Way too bleak. I don't need to read about how hopeless everything is, humanity is doomed and monstrous, and doomed to be monstrous, and the power of discovery and institutions only makes everything worse. Same as how I can't play survival crafting games - I pretty much live them in real life.
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If I was setting it up, I'd try and set the oversight agencies being from different branches of the government, all checking each other, with mandatory regular change of personnel. Ideally with magically enforced oaths of office, but that's unlikely to work well.
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[X]Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
[] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
RATIONALE
My head says dont mention angelic interest to an organization whose members and policy board we dont know atm, just say what we told the Order members.
My heart says the other one is funnier.
Im goin with my head.
[X]Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
[] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
RATIONALE
My head says dont mention angelic interest to an organization whose members and policy board we dont know atm, just say what we told the Order members.
My heart says the other one is funnier.
Im goin with my head.
Point of correction:
There were two summer fae involved in the planning and in our exit. None of them were minor figures, and they dont actually know the details of what happened inside Winter, let alone inside Arctis Tor.
Without winter fae talking, the only people who know what happened are all in Dresden's strike team.
Summer Lady Lily and Summer Knight Fix have some guesses, but they arent exactly talkative to randos.
Ah. Fair enough.
I found it rather hopeful actually. At least in Europe.
The US was where the obvious bad shit was happening, and the book didnt spend time there.
Of course, things have gone to shit now and I havent read those books yet.
DarkLight140
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It's impossible to unspeak things, sure. But there's an unfortunate tendency in quests to assume that just because information was given to someone once that information is now known to everyone who might care about it, taking this idea to a laughable extreme. Finding things out takes time and effort which many people will not be inclined to expend, particularly if they feel like they already have a reasonable set of answers. Given Molly's rate of development making it even slightly less convenient for people to access information about her can significantly pay off by extending the time she has to act largely unopposed during her critical early growth period.
There's no reason to compound earlier information security mistakes by ensuring that what we've said is accessible not only to anyone who interrogates one of a specific set of minor practitioners or knowledgable fae, but also to anyone who reads the Library's files/mission reports/emails. Why throw more fuel on our dumpster fire?
Not sure we should share this much information with them, though being deceptive isn't exactly good for a long term relationship either.
My preference is to answer their question rather than oversharing in an attempt to shape their opinions. Ultimately they have to either place some trust in what we're saying or some trust in the church backing us up regardless of what we say.
[X] Plan: Answering the Question
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
This answers the core thing they were trying to get at with their question, and doesn't hand out additional stuff for them to play with.
In a way I think being cautious and honest about it will make this whole thing easier.
Our explanation doesn't feed them a whole bunch of hair raising and difficult to swallow ideas, and it establishes a workable dynamic without trying to oversell anything.
Offers of lore and cooperation to perfect strangers, or more detailed discussions of the context around our power, would be highly unusual and suspicious. Especially after we just talked about our experiences with shadowy government groups with their fingers in the supernatural and have no reason to think they're that different yet.
'I don't fully trust you, but I'm interested enough to acknowledge that and by implication in allowing the opportunity for it to change' is a fantastic result for an encounter with a strange
supernatural person by most measures.
My preference is to answer their question rather than oversharing in an attempt to shape their opinions. Ultimately they have to either place some trust in what we're saying or some trust in the church backing us up regardless of what we say.
[X] Plan: Answering the Question
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
This answers the core thing they were trying to get at with their question, and doesn't hand out additional stuff for them to play with.
In a way I think being cautious and honest about it will make this whole thing easier.
Our explanation doesn't feed them a whole bunch of hair raising and difficult to swallow ideas, and it establishes a workable dynamic without trying to oversell anything.
Offers of lore and cooperation to perfect strangers, or more detailed discussions of the context around our power, would be highly unusual and suspicious. Especially after we just talked about our experiences with shadowy government groups with their fingers in the supernatural and have no reason to think they're that different yet.
'I don't fully trust you, but I'm interested enough to acknowledge that and by implication in allowing the opportunity for it to change' is a fantastic result for an encounter with a strange
supernatural person by most measures.
OctarineShrike
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[X] Plan: Answering the Question
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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How would that help? They aren't creatures of darkness.
The sort that is ill informed enough to think that they can steal our crown.
In which case we can use the crown to locate them immediately and most places that they are going to take a captive are places of desolation which means that we get a -3 DC on rolls to protect them. And we can make some very scary threats of our own.
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'Night guys, see you tomorrow with more from this pair and those diamonds I had almost forgotten.
Personally I wouldn't take a -3 difficulty modifier as an indication that we have the advantage over someone who's been preparing for us and actually does well enough to capture anyone.
The advantage on a number of fronts is still with the aggressor.
In a lot of cases we'd still win, but the exalted aren't infallible or unbeatable even in 2E and it'd pay to remember that ExWoD exalts are deliberately nerfed to make them more vulnerable relative to their setting than those guys are.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Yes, but our odds become far better then they would have been if they hadn't kidnapped someone we want to protect. -4 DC (-3 for protect. -1 for water) means that Steel skin rolls at DC 4 which means that we hit Stamina 8 with it far more often then not. Which means our soak is 17 for the attack (8 Stamina + 8 Viridian Legend Exoskeleton + 1 armor).
"But Fictionfan" I hear you say "What if they threaten the person they kidnapped?"
Well my hypothetical objector then we respond with an intimidate check of our own letting them know in no uncertain terms that if they harm a hair on their head we will send them to the hell of boiling oil or burrowing maggots or something. We don't lack for awful things to do to people. Should get at least 20 or so successes under those conditions. And even if they spend willpower to join battle that means that they are attacking us.
Infernals are at their most powerful when they seem to be at a disadvantage. It's part of so many charms. Seems most efficient to lean into it. Yolo and deal with the consequence afterward. More fun that way too.
If we had TLoF in arc 2 saving Cindy would have been a walk in the park.
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[X] Plan: Answering the Question
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I can't believe I missed it until now. I have read the "Mage: The awakening" sourcebooks for fun. I even knew that it was incorporated into world of darkness at one point. Daedalus is modeled after the Technocracy in "Mage: The awakening". Or at least the mind set is. But in that case they might be much more dangerous than we have been giving them credit for. The Technocracy or Technocratic Union or Five Metal Dragons was able to do all sorts of super science nonsense.
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[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
My heart wants to do this but it's too late in the vote to gain momentum:
[ ] "No hand guides me or controls me, for I bear a mantle intended for mortal souls that has lain dormant for innumerable kalpa in the ice of Arctus Tor. At my left hand power, at my right hand skill, and upon my head a crown marking me as Chosen. Rejoice, for not all that is dark is evil, as confirmed by heralds of the Lord."
My heart wants to do this but it's too late in the vote to gain momentum:
[ ] "No hand guides me or controls me, for I bear a mantle intended for mortal souls that has lain dormant for innumerable kalpa in the ice of Arctus Tor. At my left hand power, at my right hand skill, and upon my head a crown marking me as Chosen. Rejoice, for not all that is dark is evil, as confirmed by heralds of the Lord."
[X] "No hand guides me or controls me, for I bear a mantle intended for mortal souls that has lain dormant for innumerable kalpa in the ice of Arctus Tor. At my left hand power, at my right hand skill, and upon my head a crown marking me as Chosen. Rejoice, for not all that is dark is evil, as confirmed by heralds of the Lord."
Technocracy does not exist in this. Thankfully.
Why though? We'd just sound crazy.
What do you even say to that from their perspective?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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How sure are we of that? I know that they don't exist in Dresden files, but I don't think that the library of Congress was ever explored in detail there and PD is drawing on WOD to fill in blanks.