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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
It sorta-kinda flows from "it is something that changes along with the people who use it." Wizards have longer lifespans. Most of the wizards in power, real power, didn't grow up with advanced technology, didn't internalize it. It naturally flows that new technology (note that it's specifically post WW2 technology) breaks around them. It's essentially "I pushed some button and everything broke" effect of technophobes forced to interact with advanced technologies. Once you get to the situation where >99.9% wizards spent their childhoods staring into their smartphones and/or talking to their virtual AI assistants, techbane probably shifts.
It does look sorta like a consensus, only it's not a consensus between all humans, it's consensus between mages. A bit like Charity turning her talent against itself due to her sincere belief that it was evil, wizards collectively could be directing the bane against new advanced, and "fiddly" (in their mind) technology. At least this seems plausible.
Paranet probably helps in redirecting the techbane towards something else.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
New charm not added?
All things betray? It's in there, under the Kakuri heading
- Location
- Germany
Daedalus is very obviously not the Technocracy.
The organisation is young, a small part of a single-national intelligence-agency, has little idea what it is facing and has few talents in their employ, nevermind real Wizards.
They are something that might grow into the Technocracy if given five centuries time to build up and infinite luck not to destroy itself in that time.
The organisation is young, a small part of a single-national intelligence-agency, has little idea what it is facing and has few talents in their employ, nevermind real Wizards.
They are something that might grow into the Technocracy if given five centuries time to build up and infinite luck not to destroy itself in that time.
Just to make sure - All Things Betray is a Hell of Boiling Oil charm. If it was Kakuri, it would have cost 2 XP less.
For some reason I thought it was Kakuri, probably because treachery fits it so well. Changing over the position.
- Location
- washington
eh fairly sure their far more in the know than the average person or at least certain employees are. They know enough they can cover certain things up and actually know the political groups and their weaknesses.
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- Pronouns
- She/Her
Uhhh… that flavor text does not match the original for Mo Kung. Does that mean any mystical ability we learn is getting an Infernal makeover from our essence? If we learn the Hellfire Path, is it going to be significantly more literal in our hands than normal? Is Alchemy going to be affected?
I mean, it's cool, and definitely shows how different we are from a vanilla human practitioner now, but I feel like it's going to have roleplaying repercussions from our allies.
You are not burning human chi, but infernal Essence. That tends to be a lot less like overcoming your limits at the cost of your lifespan and more like temporary transcendence, a flicker of the power of the Demon Emperor.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
That likely would have made more sense, but the Infernal section was a rush job.
It's a pretty good fit as a Kimbery/Hell of Boiling Oil charm.
She's the bad mother, full of love and hate, but sure that her love will always be betrayed, and she will then hate the betrayer.
The fetches were picking up takeout, not trying to contain an exalt. That aside though, recycling a tree instead of putting Molly in an unoccupied area is somewhat incompetent.
They don't need to know what CCC is to get the idea that Molly is dangerous and improbably good at stuff. Planning around using leverage against her decision making process instead of direct confrontation makes sense for anyone who's spent any length of time at all investigating her. Especially as the data set grows going forward.
CCC is good, great even, but it does not universally invert the situations it applies to because not every aspect of a conflict can be decided by an immediate roll off.
The trouble here is that people already believed in the prior consequences of magic, and had evidence that they were true. Those tropes remain more common than the tech one in the population at large too. The Luddite reaction didn't add anything, it outright replaced the existing counterweight while people were using it and in defiance of the default human superstition.
Even if magic does actually take this sort of thing into account, that doesn't mean the rest of reality does.
Unlike WoD humans aren't nascent reality warpers binding themselves through expectations. Plenty of entities and systems do not give a shit what humans think or do.
It can be explained by the advances of society, actually. Weird molls stopped being the bane when plastic surgery and/or personal hygiene neutralized them being noticeable. Weird flame colors probably faded with advances of chemistry, where weird flame colors stopped being weird. Essentially as the bane gets overcome, a new one emerges.
Frakir's brother
Goodbye.
- Location
- The Sea of Trees
Lol, exactly like a government. Throw more taxpayer money at something for a substandard solution that's massively wasteful. Design a device as fragile to human magic as possible while cheap to produce so you can take measures to protect your electronics.
Except the thing is, you don't have to be a moral paragon to Wield a Sword, just decent relative to your time period and doing something God considers important enough. If slave holding were a disqualifier, nobody wealthy before 400 years ago could do it. If the USA coming into existence was important to God's plan, George being a Knight for the period of the Revolutionary War isn't a bad way to go about it. Which isn't to say that it has to have been that way, but from what I'm reading in thread, it just looks like judging the past and God by modern moral standards.
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
The thing is God does not need to hand George Washington a Sword to make the US happen, He's God. The swords are specifically designed for one thing above all else, stopping the machinations of the Fallen. Unless King George was a Denarian (and maybe not even then) it does not make sense. There are all kinds of ways God is supposed to favor leaders, Thomas Aquinas spills more ink on the matter than any other subject and none of those means are 'holy sword'.
No, it wasn't "defective" at all. They just abolished the privileges of nobility in 1919 and the title became a part of surname. And if we are talking about the US research institutions my knee-jerk reaction is about these terrible people: Former German nobility in the Nazi Party - Wikipedia
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Yeah, but that demonstrates taking in context other than beliefs to ensure the bane is always a bane.
Some fundamental law says magic will always have a cost, preferably one that places some separation between the practitioner and the rest of humanity in accordance with their strength. It's reasonable to assume human thought is part of that equation, but I doubt they're the ones writing it out wholesale so to speak.
In fairness, it's basically impossible to protect against tech bane directly without bringing magic into it. Especially once you start dealing with people who've designed spells specifically to enhance it, which is one of the most energy efficient things a wizard can do.
Getting dirt cheap phones and replacing them frequently is probably legitimately cheaper long term than trying to give everyone enchanted cases for their smart devices or whatever.
We're talking about a centuries old bureaucracy so it probably has its fair share of wasteful habits, but I doubt that treating field technology as disposable is one of them.
They could probably be better about keeping them off and stowed so they aren't directly exposed, but that causes communication issues.
If I was them I'd have check in texts running every 15-30 minutes during a meeting like this, and if someone fries a phone by accident rather than as the result of an attack just send someone out to pick up a third phone left in a nearby car to send an all clear.
I'm not willing to assume these guys are actually solid or necessarily well intentioned yet, but they have been around for a while and their job performance is measured by stuff like "vampires appear by surprise and attempt to enslave you body, mind, and soul. What do you do?".
Not being completely hollowed out inclines me to believe they have some minimum amount of competence.
Sort of, but I think it's slightly more nuanced than that.
It's that you above all else need to be a moral paragon at the things your sword requires and off faith in the mission*.
Using the swords for the wrong reasons breaks them, which the Denarians know and actively try to exploit. So a knight of the cross doesn't have to be a perfect saint, but when the rubber hits the road they have to be the sort you can hand power and know won't put it to any selfish purpose.
Hell, they have to be the sort who won't even take well deserved and arguably correct actions with the wrong intent in their hearts or that will break them too.
Failing to follow this rule is what ends up breaking one of the swords in canon.
That sort of integrity is a rare thing, and worth noting for the selection criteria of proper knights over temporary wielders.
*The atheist and Jewish knights of the cross demonstrate that you don't specifically need faith in the white god in his Christian aspect to do the job, but you do need to trust management so to speak.
Oh, yes. There's absolutely a cost / separation law, concerning human (mortal) magic practitioners from mortal population. That law expresses itself differently in different eras, and the expression seems to relate to human perception/ state of society.
The interesting question is - does Salinan Working still exist? If we unearth the steps towards Sorcery initiation, would the mortal who goes through it
a) Explode into giblets
b) Lose their magic, with a possibility of relearning it (same as we are doing right now)
c) Get access to ancient sorcery
d) Lose the bane (and possibly the mind corruption effect of mortal magic)
e) All of the above
So, still reading the comments and I stumbled upon this and want to point out something:
The beige wagon, Molly did put a cyberdevil in it and used it to communicate with the car… except I'm pretty sure the car don't have access to internet or any phone service by itself, meaning that the devils don't need these things to communicate between them.
So, actually, this absolutely is a solved problem.