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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] My own
-[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldro
-[X] STUNT: "Mine is not a sponsored power, to be taken away at someone's whim. Upon my brow sits the ancient crown, taken in combat from the treasuries of Winter, yet, by right, meant for mortal men and holding no allegiance to the fae. Mine favor and wrath are for me alone to disperse, and none can compel my service without my agreement"

I would welcome some black ops group trying to steal it. Infernals get interesting incentives. We benefit from the evil intentions of others. It's far easier for us to deal with a group if they imprison us.
 
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LightLan said:
[X] My Own
-[X] If asked to elaborate, tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron

[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
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As a note, Molly does not see a universe where they would not ask you to elaborate after saying that. In the context of how mortal magic works an exaltation is... a lot, that is a lot of free power. This is also the kind of thing that usually comes with a catch, generally something that compromises humanity or free will.
 
DragonParadox said:
As a note, Molly does not see a universe where they would not ask you to elaborate after saying that. In the context of how mortal magic works an exaltation is... a lot, that is a lot of free power. This is also the kind of thing that usually comes with a catch, generally something that compromises humanity or free will.
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Well, technically exaltation does compromise humanity (in the sense that you might end up a new Primordial, who is distinctly not human).
 
Wwind said:
yeah, unfortunately a lot of people (even IRL) either don't know what 'science' really is, or mix it up with current consensus, personal feelings and politics.
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Part of the issue with that is that the scientific method, as a philosophy, tends to necessarily lend weight to the body of knowledge which has been verified via scientific experimentation.

In many young sciences however, such as various cutting-edge areas of medicine and physics, it's very common for a scientist's experiment to give an incomplete or outright wrong explanation of what's going and the hypothesis supported to be taken as fact for a decade or more before other experiments contradict it. Academia, of course, makes this worse - it's far from unheard of for people to sabotage proposals for experiments that might disprove their pet theory.

This is all still assuming it's science in it's proper form, mind you, not pseudoscience. It's just science isn't perfect and the scientific method as a philosophy lends itself much better to controlled labs than frantic supernatural throwdowns.

Then you have some poor field agent bastards sent out to test whether silver bullets actually work on werewolves, you can't assume the wizards are right because they didn't perform proper experiments, and half your recording tech may not work in the field. Only there are like a half dozen werewolfish creatures around and some don't need shooting.

Yeah, even if the Library's scientists are 100% playing it straight, I can see why their field agents and supervisors hate them and science. The poor scientists would probably sell their souls for a few tech demons to help out.
 
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Yog said:
Well, technically exaltation does compromise humanity (in the sense that you might end up a new Primordial, who is distinctly not human).
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We certainly don't count as human or mortal for most magic effects.

The major feature of the Exaltation is that it doesn't matter with the free will, but while the humanity might be retained on some metaphysical level, in practical day-to-day matters we are closer to a halfgod with unusually high growth-potential than a human.
 
DragonParadox said:
Given that we are the ones cleaning up after the would be disciples of Descartes it is only fair that we explain ourselves first and then you can tell us what you are comfortable with. Does that sound fair?"
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Talking about the adherents of science (or pseudo-science, whatever) as disciples of Descartes is more than a bit pretentious for a modern human, but might be more viable slang for one who has been around since these men of Enlightenment spread their theories and quarreled by letter and essay with each other...
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ut there is something unsettling, or perhaps better to say unsettled about her presence, a buzzing in the air not heard but felt like the wings of a thousand tiny flies beating against the veil. The world feels slippery around her, in contrast to her controlled, almost affected manner. It reminds you a little of Olivia only in this case you suspect you would not even have have realized she was the source of the disturbance if you did not have every shadow bending an ear to listen. Probably doesn't help with interviews though.
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She has a supernatural flaw, so she is certainly not 100% vanilla human.
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"People at the highest levels of the United States Government have known about the Council for almost as long as there has been a United States, the general feelings towards them have been mixed at best for reasons ranging from personal faith to concerns about subversives and socialists... yes really. The nineteen fifties were an interesting time in the Chinese sense.
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She not only talks about the fifties from personal experience, but she calls them the nineteen fifties.
I'm not totally sure if that is as uncommon in english as it would be in my own language, but I think most people not historian or old enough to remember several fifties would just call them the fifties.


All in all I'm very sure that this lady is not quite human.
Might be a practicioner strong enough to weather two centuries and change, but might just as likely be a half-vampire, a real Wizard gone renegade from the Council or something stranger alltogether.
Even someone invested herself perhaps...

The name is unfortunatly not very telling. Andrea has been around for over 600 years and is still a quite common name, so that tells us nothing even if it were her true name.
Trier is even older, since it was a Roman city in what is today Germany.
 
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
 
[X] Winter was holding it in a way ready to invest into someone, but it was never really theirs. I haven't discovered exactly where it came from originally, just that it's very old and they had held it for a very long time.

[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
 
I really don't think it's a good idea to tell them the same thing we told the Order, not that it was a good idea to tell the Order that, either.

Better to let them think we're wielding borrowed power rather imply its possible for an outside actor to take what we have.
 
[X] My own
-[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldro
-[X] STUNT: "Mine is not a sponsored power, to be taken away at someone's whim. Upon my brow sits the ancient crown, taken in combat from the treasuries of Winter, yet, by right, meant for mortal men and holding no allegiance to the fae. Mine favor and wrath are for me alone to disperse, and none can compel my service without my agreement"

[X] I am a Bodhisattva of Violence. I have reached enlightenment by carving through the 10000 hells.

[X] Plan: Answering the Question
-[X] Activate Etiquette excellency
-[X] Explain that it's complicated, but that Molly's power is her own without external influence. Confirmed by trusted agents of God.
-[X] Stunt: Straightening up a bit, Molly meets the the librarian's gaze. " How's that proverb go? 'Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble' Molly says with an almost lighthearted tone.
-[X] "I'd like be able to extend some trust, but I'm not sure I can yet, so let's take this one step at a time." Molly sighs. "What I will share is that my power is mine alone and I answer to no one for it" She says, with a certainty deeper than the earth and higher than the mountains welling up in her voice.
-[X] " It came to me by strange ways, and takes frightening forms at times, but that at least I have confirmation from trusted servants of the lord and mortal practitioners alike."
 
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Goldfish said:
I really don't think it's a good idea to tell them the same thing we told the Order, not that it was a good idea to tell the Order that, either.

Better to let them think we're wielding borrowed power rather imply its possible for an outside actor to take what we have.
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Problem is that they can propably find out from one of the Order what we told them.
They are very minor practicioners, neither protected from mental intrusion nor tax audits.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Problem is that they can propably find out from one of the Order what we told them.
They are very minor practicioners, neither protected from mental intrusion nor tax audits.
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Conflicting accounts of where we got our power aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Might even be to our advantage.
 
Goldfish said:
Conflicting accounts of where we got our power aren't necessarily a bad thing.

Might even be to our advantage.
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The issue is that they can probably trade something minor (like a couple of death row prisoners or something) to Winter Fae to verify the "got it from Arctis Tor" version.

[X] My own
-[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldro
-[X] STUNT: "Mine is not a sponsored power, to be taken away at someone's whim. Upon my brow sits the ancient crown, taken in combat from the treasuries of Winter, yet, by right, meant for mortal men and holding no allegiance to the fae. Mine favor and wrath are for me alone to disperse, and none can compel my service without my agreement"
 
Yog said:
The issue is that they can probably trade something minor (like a couple of death row prisoners or something) to Winter Fae to verify the "got it from Arctis Tor" version.

[X] My own
-[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldro
-[X] STUNT: "Mine is not a sponsored power, to be taken away at someone's whim. Upon my brow sits the ancient crown, taken in combat from the treasuries of Winter, yet, by right, meant for mortal men and holding no allegiance to the fae. Mine favor and wrath are for me alone to disperse, and none can compel my service without my agreement"
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Even if they do that, what does it really tell them? Winter doesn't even know what our Exaltation really was.
 
Yog said:
It tells them which version is correct. If we tell them something significantly different, they'll know we lied to them, which will affect our further interactions.
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Better for them to assume we lied about the source of our power, even if them going to the effort to confirm our story would only further reinforce the notion that we aren't beholden to any greater entity, rather than outright imply what we have can be taken up by another.

When you tell someone you wear a crown that was taken in battle, and that it is the source of your power, regardless of what else you might say, there will be someone who hears the story and thinks they are more deserving of that crown.
 
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
 
Goldfish said:
When you tell someone you wear a crown that was taken in battle, and that it is the source of your power, regardless of what else you might say, there will be someone who hears the story and thinks they are more deserving of that crown.
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Which is cool with me. Some group kidnapping Molly to try and steal her crown plays right into our hands.
 
Yog said:
Possible, but that assumes that they know who Knights of the Cross are, and that the current bearer of Amoracchus is Michael Carpenter. I'll note how Michael is not here, and assuming this is Uriel's / Big G's move, don't think it's a good idea to involve him.

The big question is - do we want to say that our power is our own? This has both benefits and downsides. Benefits is that we are more easily hired. The downsides is that there's no faction backing us.
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George Washington was a knight of the cross my man
 
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