- Location
- Georgia
yeah, unfortunately a lot of people (even IRL) either don't know what 'science' really is, or mix it up with current consensus, personal feelings and politics.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
taovkool
Forever Gone
- Location
- The Library, Department of General Works
I don't think implying that Molly is the inheritor of a crown/king-like power is a good idea. Mostly because it implies that Molly will be founding her own Court/organization (which was true) and The USA is already pissed off enough about the whole pseudo-government within their border (not that they don't deserve it).
Maybe we could keep that part on the down low?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
....WHY would we WANT to tell them that?
Let them think we are the standard Sponsered magic holder. No need to shout to the world what we are.
Yeah, I get it. The comment "this isn't science at all" wasn't aimed at you.
They are, and it probably wouldn't (not unless some sort of agreement could be reached, I think) , but at the moment, Library of Congress is by itself such an armed supernatural independent organization. At least White Council doesn't take taxpayers' money.
Too easily verified, I believe. We can't lean into "we are of Winter" - that's too easily verified and creates a debt from us to Mab. Claiming to be demonic is a bad idea in general... Wyldfae is a possibly source. The issue is that we don't have a plausible acceptable sponsor. We could probably lean into "inheritance of an ancient capital D dragon" I guess, if we wanted to lie.
I wanted to at least keep a possiblity of cooperation going. Imply that we are a free agent and for the right price might do them some favors, without them having to bargain with fae / demon courts. The updated soured me on them, a lot, but I still want to believe that they are salvageable.
But ok, moving back to just
[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
Or more accurately, who empowered Molly Carpenter, to go from the mortal human, though with magic talent, she was before Arctis Tor, and the Infernal Exalted she is now.
[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
- Location
- Germany
I am the Herald of the Sixth Age, born to claim the empty throne of god after the fall of the world.
Or maybe not.
Or maybe not.
- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@DragonParadox , there is a mystake in the threadmark: "mundan".
Something in this sentence seems wrong.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
My concern is that that might seem too much like a challenge to their authority and/or that of the US government, and they may find that to be… unacceptable. They may choose to see us as a threat to their continued authority and power, and we don't yet have the sort of reputation and power that, say, Mab or the Senior Council has, where the government is unlikely to try and play fuck-fuck games with them. Even if they probably can't take us in a straight up fight, they can still screw us over in other ways. Thus, I think that us making a foe of them would be unwise.
On the other hand, lowballing or downplaying our power might lead them to think that they will be able to control us, and attempt to act accordingly. Again, they probably can't take us in a straight up fight, but they might attempt to gain power and/or leverage over us in other ways. At least some of those ways would put those who we care about most at risk.
Either path could end up being fraught with peril. Dammit, if our dad was able to be here, then hopefully they'd know better than to try shenanigans around a Knight of the Cross. We don't yet have that level of reputation to deter people trying to screw with us at all and, although we could still put the fear of Molly into them, that may also require going loud to some degree or another.
[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
It's not great, but it has the benefit of being consistent with what we've told others, if nothing else. Ideally, I would want to try and convey that we are both far too powerful for them to be able to fuck with without finding out rather quickly and messily, while also conveying that we, in fact, have no designs on their holdings, or anything of theirs, and do not intend to threaten them, but I'm not sure how well we can walk that tightrope.
- Location
- Earth
This.[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
EDIT: Remind me what story we told the Order?
- Location
- United States
[X] Tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
Keeping the story we tell others the same is important. this way if the Library ever interviews a member of the OotC we wont be caught in a lie.
Keeping the story we tell others the same is important. this way if the Library ever interviews a member of the OotC we wont be caught in a lie.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Ah, yeah, that. Still wish we hadn't worded it like that. It just begs for someone with more ambition and greed than common sense to think "If she could wear this crown, then so could I! I just need to take it from her..."
Changing my vote.
[X] My power is my own, the fires of my soul expressed through the lens of my experiences.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Maybe just claim that we have installed a power tap into the night realm that can't be removed even if they knew about it? The key difference is that although we draw on the power of hell they aren't our sponsor.
Actually that might not be a bad thing. It's not like they can succeed and the first step to trying would be capturing Molly. And we have CCC. A prison cell surrounded by enemies is our preferred environment. If one of these black op organizations captures you stand a good chance of being able to take it over.
Maybe we will get really lucky and they will do some Chinese water torture on us.
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DarkLight140
Credit to Team
- Location
- Lost in my thoughts
Yeah, I share these concerns. The basic story that our "sponsored" power is basically something that we looted from Winter after they'd looted it from someone else has the benefit of being fundamentally true and not implying that we're beholden to anyone, but it does have the major downside of implying rather firmly that our power is thoroughly lootable if someone knows how- after all, it's been successfully seized not once but twice already. Unfortunately, saying that the power is from our soul and experiences implies that we're personally a scion of hell as soon as they ping our power as hellish- after all, why else would our soul express in hellish ways?
It might be better to use a different framing. Rely on our ultimate ignorance and the fact that most power does not come with a manual. Something like this, perhaps?
[x] Winter was holding it in a way ready to invest into someone, but it was never really theirs. I haven't discovered exactly where it came from originally, just that it's very old and they had held it for a very long time.
How about this
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
Possible, but that assumes that they know who Knights of the Cross are, and that the current bearer of Amoracchus is Michael Carpenter. I'll note how Michael is not here, and assuming this is Uriel's / Big G's move, don't think it's a good idea to involve him.
The big question is - do we want to say that our power is our own? This has both benefits and downsides. Benefits is that we are more easily hired. The downsides is that there's no faction backing us.
They are meeting us in a church with a clergyman as an intermediary, and we have already faced the fact that our father's enemies know his license plate number much less who he is. Why wouldn't we think the Library isn't just as aware?
Now, right now I suspect they thought we are a minor talent associated with the Church through our father rather than the wild card we are, but we are disabusing them of that concept anyway so they are going to reevaluate and look deeper at us regardless.
Ok, in principle, yeah, I like it. It answers the question without giving away too much, assuming they know who Michael is, which I am still not sure about.
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
- Location
- Who knows?
[X] "My own, funny enough. Trust me, we asked that question too, and as the daughter of a Carpenter it was a little shocking how high that question went. Rest assured, this power is mine now, answering only to my free will. The one who gave me that answer Knows these sorts of things."
Yeah, but if they are really ignorant and ask what we mean by that we can blithely smile and say our father bears the blood of God and let Father Forthil choke on his own tongue while being technically correct.
More seriously they seem to trust the Church and we have someone right here to vouch for our relationship.
They seem to have some relatively cordial relationship with the church, most likely because it has representation in mundane world.
You know... I think I'll go with the simplest answer in the end
[X] My Own
-[X] If asked to elaborate, tell them the same story you did the Order of the Cauldron
It gives out the least amount of information possible while not being overly hostile.
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