Nope.
In Ex2, its the Abyssals that are associated with the Neverborn.
The Infernals are associated with the Yozi in Hell.
And here, neither Yozi nor Neverborn still exist afawk.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
In Ex2, its the Abyssals that are associated with the Neverborn.
The Infernals are associated with the Yozi in Hell.
And here, neither Yozi nor Neverborn still exist afawk.
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[X]Plan Major Malfunction
-[X]Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy, vampire or not the lady is not going to want to buy a money pit
--[X] Cyberdevils: Run general Internet and social media search on Whampire using picture from Clippy
--[X] Crown of Eyes: Focus Shoes. Question: ID of owner and position in White Court. Only ask if Cyberdevils dont turn up info.
--[X] STUNT: "Thirty thousand." Heads turn involuntarily at the sound of your voice, even as you raise your sign labelled 26 with one hand. The White Court vampire looks over as well, and you meet her glance with a cool stare of your own, blue eyes meeting green. Yes, I SEE you. As she looks away hastily, you purse your lips, then type on your phone keypad. Do the thing. As the car explodes into an alarm blaring, wiper-waving, light flashing discoball punctuated by inflating airbags, you think a second set of orders for your cyberdevils, then lean back into your chair, with line of sight to the Whampire's fashionable shoes. Let's see what the appetite for risk is.
-[X]Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy, vampire or not the lady is not going to want to buy a money pit
--[X] Cyberdevils: Run general Internet and social media search on Whampire using picture from Clippy
--[X] Crown of Eyes: Focus Shoes. Question: ID of owner and position in White Court. Only ask if Cyberdevils dont turn up info.
--[X] STUNT: "Thirty thousand." Heads turn involuntarily at the sound of your voice, even as you raise your sign labelled 26 with one hand. The White Court vampire looks over as well, and you meet her glance with a cool stare of your own, blue eyes meeting green. Yes, I SEE you. As she looks away hastily, you purse your lips, then type on your phone keypad. Do the thing. As the car explodes into an alarm blaring, wiper-waving, light flashing discoball punctuated by inflating airbags, you think a second set of orders for your cyberdevils, then lean back into your chair, with line of sight to the Whampire's fashionable shoes. Let's see what the appetite for risk is.
JayTar
Idea briefcase
Well no, but then it would become an open question of who tampered with it. And the cops are right here. The person who won it in the auction would be suspect #1.
Yes we could probably talk our way out, but it would be additional unnecessary trouble.
My issue is not that the car is suddenly malfunctioning. It's the scale of the malfunction. One thing going wrong could be explained like you said. Everything suddenly activating like crazy though is not nearly so plausible.
And if we want to do an image search for her I thought we would need a picture? I would have sworn this came up before. That our Cyberdevil's senses are relatively imprecise?
Yes we could probably get away with pointing our phone at her. But it would be rude and attract attention.
Also, I'm not sure we have time to do all this? The auction is running, the car is up. The time to type everything into our phone and then read the results that Clippy brings back is probably longer then the bidding will last. So it seems like something to do after. Unless that was your intention?
Signaling black rider without use of our phone is a better idea though. Using our phone right before the car malfunctions is suspicious. Just in case there is someone around watching as you say.
I wan't objecting to catching her eye. And I think you are misunderstanding what I was referring to with Subterfuge. I was referring to my vote here:
The idea being exactly what you were saying. Catching her eye and letting her know we are on to her. There isn't really any sneaking being done. And even if someone with supernatural perception was observing us, we wouldn't even be doing anything taboo. Just some unobtrusive non-verbal communication.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
On the subject of Abyssal exalted. They can't allow themselves to be referred to by a name only titles and all the major outsiders don't have names only titles, coincidence?
[X] Subtly indicate to the vampire to back off (Charisma+Subterfuge DPE applies)
-[X] Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy
-[X] Use Subterfuge excellency
-[X] If she still persists, approach her after the auction.
-[X] Stunt: The vampire's eyes flick to Black Rider when the airbag goes off and back to you just in time to catch the slight tilt of your head and twitch of your eyebrows. You follow it up with confidently placing your own bid. The message is clear, you will be getting the car, or nobody will.
-[X] Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy
-[X] Use Subterfuge excellency
-[X] If she still persists, approach her after the auction.
-[X] Stunt: The vampire's eyes flick to Black Rider when the airbag goes off and back to you just in time to catch the slight tilt of your head and twitch of your eyebrows. You follow it up with confidently placing your own bid. The message is clear, you will be getting the car, or nobody will.
- Location
- Near Water
Sorry, I got them confused.
- Location
- Germany
The Abyssals can't use their names because they symbolically sacrificed them in the moment of their Exaltation.
But the Outsiders might be more of a case like She Who Lives In Her Name, where the name is a memetic threat and thus you never say it out loud and it gets hopefully forgotten.
1)Like you said, the cops are right there. This is their facility
They have guards and presumably security cameras around the impound lot. We have been on none of them, and have not even been in the building since the car was impounded.
2)Im not sure why you think its implausible. Have you ever seen what happens when you fuck the electronics of a car?
They're the most vulnerable part of many a modern car.
Modern cars have microprocessors running all those functions I've mentioned, especially in high end luxury cars.
Some of those electronics can be from a bad batch and fail prematurely, or can exposed to environmental influences outside manufacturing specifications.
This is a car that was impounded and towed. Unknown car history.
Did it get parked next to an electrical installation having a power surge and the EM flux damaged its internals? Was there a solar storm when it was outside? Did the manufacturers simply use a bad batch of microchips? Did mice get in where it was stored and chew on cabling, shorting out internal components?
There's a reason why impound auctions are a lottery.
You have no idea what the previous state of the car was, and wont until you get it home and into an auto shop.
3)The scale of the malfunction IS the point.
We dont want anyone bidding on the car to miss it, or think its a relatively minor thing they can pay one or two thousand dollars at a dealership to rectify.
We want a message to get through loud and clear, and the message is :
This is not a good deal. If you buy this car, better have another twenty or thirty thousand dollars minimum and several months of shop time for initial diagnostics and repairs. There might be more issues silently lurking. And you get no refunds.
The other buyers steer clear and the dumb teenager with no life experience buys the heap of automotive issues and running costs.
4)Its magic. You dont need to hold it up or out. We've never done that or needed to.
Thats why it has a cyberdevil inside to compensate.
Beige Wagon didnt have a camera to recognize when someone tried to plant something underneath it.
5)Yes we have the time.
If you read the sequence of events, you'll notice that I actually arranged for Clippy and the Cyberdevils to internet crawl the Whampire at the same time Black Rider disrupts things by going full disco ball.
6)No it isnt suspicious. Everybody uses their phones at odd moments, and this is not a phone free area.
It is explicitly stated that some of the purchasers here are here on behalf of other people who either cant or dont want to be here.
I can guarantee we wont be the only person on their phone.
7)I see no reason why Subterfuge has anything to do with this. Its only applicable in situations where you are trying to hide something, else you have no need for it.
Who are we hiding from? Why are we hiding? If nobody, why Subterfuge?
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- Pronouns
- She/Her
[x] uju32
- Location
- Near Water
[X] Subtly indicate to the vampire to back off (Charisma+Subterfuge DPE applies)
-[X] Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy
-[X] Use Subterfuge excellency
-[X] If she still persists, approach her after the auction.
-[X] Stunt: The vampire's eyes flick to Black Rider when the airbag goes off and back to you just in time to catch the slight tilt of your head and twitch of your eyebrows. You follow it up with confidently placing your own bid. The message is clear, you will be getting the car, or nobody will.
-[X] Continue with the plan of Black Rider making himself seem like a bad buy
-[X] Use Subterfuge excellency
-[X] If she still persists, approach her after the auction.
-[X] Stunt: The vampire's eyes flick to Black Rider when the airbag goes off and back to you just in time to catch the slight tilt of your head and twitch of your eyebrows. You follow it up with confidently placing your own bid. The message is clear, you will be getting the car, or nobody will.
I mean you did find a creepy name in a language unknown to humankind whose very invocation seems to draw the powers of necromancy like the maw of a black hole... but I am sure that is nothing.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Taking that picture was definitely the right thing to do and will never have any negative consequence.I mean you did find a creepy name in a language unknown to humankind whose very invocation seems to draw the powers of necromancy like the maw of a black hole... but I am sure that is nothing.
JayTar
Idea briefcase
To preface things I would like to say that I am not a mechanic or similar profession, and do not have deep knowledge of cars.
That said the reason that it seems implausible to me is because of the number of independent systems. The alarms and the airbags make sense together. The logical conclusion would be a malfunction in the collision detection system. But the lights and the wipers do not. An error in the electronics that would cause both to activate in such a way is what seems implausible to me. Enough to take things from "Something went wrong by chance" to "Some clever punk did this intentionally" (Which is in fact absolutely true).
Adding the lights and the wipers doesn't add much to the spectacle anyway. Nobody is going to want to get in a car that might randomly have the air bags go off.
As for our cyberdevils:
It didn't need a camera to recognize that a person was there. But because it didn't have a camera it was unable to provide a detailed description. So we do need a camera if we want an an image. I expect the same limitations would present them self for a device that does have a camera, but the target is not in the camera's field of view.
A spectacle may delay things for long enough for us to do our research, but it may not. We may want to keep things moving to prevent anyone from stopping and thinking that maybe the car is fixable. And appearing distracted by something else while the spectacle is going on would be suspicious. It's not like it matters anyway at this point. Who she is specifically won't matter until after the auction. It might tell us why she is doing something, but it won't change our response.
Now as for Subterfuge, it's quite simple. "Subtly indicate to the vampire to back off". Who we are hiding it form is everyone else in attendance. It's just the normal everyday sort of non-verbal communication that occurs in public settings.
Basically it's like the "Firmly indicate" option, except instead of trying to do a subtle threat (and thus increasing the difficulty of the roll) we discard the threat part and keep "indicate". She is already scared of us anyway. If she persists then she has no survival instinct and we will be perfectly justified in confronting her after the auction. (That or she has some supernatural interest in the car, which is also very good to know.)
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Vote closed, this one was not among the more complex so I figured closing it faster would be fine.
And I completely forgot about the Principle of Consumption.I mean you did find a creepy name in a language unknown to humankind whose very invocation seems to draw the powers of necromancy like the maw of a black hole... but I am sure that is nothing.
Gotta go add that to the list of loose e ds.
1) Disclaimer: I am not an automotive engineer either.
But I have watched enough modern car reviews of modern cars to have some idea of just how much electronics and powered modules there are in modern cars, even ones from the mid-2000s.
I mean, I've already given you multiple scenarios for multisystem failure. Here's two more:
-A power line fell on the car sometime in its history and left lingering damage.
-Water got into the innards from a car wash or a storm
Here's how to avoid buying a flood-damaged car following Hurricane Ian
While not all of these vehicles will end up for sale, buyers should be on guard against purchasing a used car that has damage from flooding.
www.cnbc.com
2)I will repeat: This is a police/City of Chicago facility.
They have guards and security cameras around the place. If they didnt pick up anything then, they arent going to make wild claims now. After all, the car was towed here, not driven.
3) Also worth remembering that this is not their personal property.
The proceeds of vehicles auctions go into either CPD or City of Chicago coffers.
There is only so much you can expect the staff to care.
Adding the lights and wipers does add the implication of widespread electrical problems.
Which is precisely what we want to convey.
The only thing I didnt add was the radio.
4)We've used this before with no issues that I recall.
5)We dont want this moving too fast.
We want time for the implicatioms of visible malfunctions to sink in so people can have second thoughts and withdraw from that particular auction.
So the opposite of your argument.
6)You are overcomplicating the issue to our detriment. First you have to pass a Charisma + Expression or Charisma + Intimidation roll to communicate your intent, at a higher than normal DC because you're doing it wordlessly, then pass a Subterfuge roll as well to do so without alerting any of the other people here. And we only can spend 4 Essence before we begin to glow.
And all that assumes the vampire is the only person in the crowd interested in the Merc with sixty or eighty thousand to spare.
Just seems like a bad idea when we have alternatives.
My two cents.
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Arc 4 Post 6: Blaring Horns and Subtle Signs
Blaring Horns and Subtle Signs
30th of July 2006 A.D.
"Thirty thousand," you speak up deliberately, but without menace, temping as it might be. You are here to get a car, not a brand new batch of enemies. Holding her gaze just a moment longer, just long enough to make it crystal clear that you had see her you glance down at your purse as though just remembering something. 'Absently' you raise Clippy just high enough that her camera can get a look at the vampire and tap in: 'Do the thing.'
This unit is not equipped with any usable weapon systems.
Did... did Clippy just make a joke?
As though to confirm the thought before you even have the time to write a reply an emoji flashes over the screen: 😈
Welp, that is a thing. Hopefully Black Rider has a sense of humor as well because he's about to pull a hell of a prank. As soon as you press 'send' on the pre-set signal package the car explodes into an alarm blaring, wiper-waving, light flashing discoball punctuated by the bang of inflating airbags and then the long ear hurting screech of the horn on full blast.
People are jumping out of their seats, swearing and shouting, one woman even drops her drink, though thankfully it hadn't been a hot one. Feeling a little guilty you offer her some wipes even as you watch the vampire out of the corner of your eye. She had stood absolutely shock-still, as though carved from marble on that flimsy lawn chair.
Slowly, almost mechanically she takes out her own phone, one of those capsule shaped flit phones that look really chic right up until you actually need to use the screen without hurting your eyes. Her cool green eyes don't seem to have any issue with it though as she taps in a message.
For a moment you consider putting new a friend inside her electronics, but you just don't know...
Alyssa Katherine McGregor,the message flashes over the screen under the picture you ahd just gotten of the lady in question and under that formatted like it's a Wikipedia article information on her. Age 39, she does not look it, Job: Consultant for Romany Investing Ltd, a family office investing firm that does not take outside money, its head... Lara Romany. Even though the veil of pixels and 256 colors it is impossible to miss just what 'Ms Romany' is. She is beautiful not in a way that follows the trends, but sets them, a striking face that lingers in the mind and dark eyes that likely flash in dreams too often turned to nightmares, not just a vampire but a powerful one.
Sadly the internet does not provide any clearer understanding of just what Alyssa does for her boss, 'consultant' being a vague enough term to hide a whole circus tent under, but just from the handful of pictures of them together that Clippy has been able to unearth quickly, which all look like glamor shots, because of course they do, stupid sex vampires, it's clear their relationship is a long way from equal. Maybe a personal assistant...
Well whatever she is Ms McGregor is getting out of here as fast as her stylish but comfortable boots can take her, but her phone is still out, waiting for an asnwer. Do you want a hook in the White Court's business here in Chicago?
[] Yes, try to plant a cyberdevil in her phone (Charisma+Technology)
[] No, if she wants to bail let her, you have enough on your plate already without spying on targets of opportunity
OOC: Really short update, but it made sense to give you the vote seeing as you made the rolls to get some info on who she is before she got out of line of sight.
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White Court Vampires can be sorcerers as well, they are humans+hunger demon, nothing says they can't have the talent for it.
HMP best charm. Cyber devils were wasted on the wicked city.
[X] Yes, try to plant a cyberdevil in her phone (Charisma+Technology)