Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[Degorium]

Messing with Mana is pretty clearly the domain of Mana Manipulation, not Alchemy.
Storing Mana in a potion or similar object is a level 2 ritual of MM.

But then I'm against any permanent buffs without spending the full XP anyway, so whatever.

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To be honest I'm actually kind of in agreeance but there are multiple ways to skin a cat. If you want a flaming sword you can make flame grease that lasts a scene with Alchemy, You can Enchant the sword to ignite with the expenditure of Willpower or you can use the Hellfire ritual. There's also the fact that I don't know if we can buy backgrounds with XP or characters can get certain merits without coming pre-loaded with them essentially if I did it right this is just a way to have them in games where you cannot spend XP on backgrounds or merits but you still want to during the course of a game Acquire The Mana background or force of spirit strength of psyche or flow of ki.

To be honest if we can buy backgrounds and stuff with XP this could just be a way to enable the spending of XP on those backgrounds or Merits. The Mana background itself mentions taking in potions to do it. There's also the fact a character does not need the path of Mana manipulation to buy any of those merits or the Mana background so in my mind that means there are multiple ways to acquire it whether you were born with Mana or you are a accomplished Alchemist or some kind of Enchantment laid on an object that allows you to take in Mana something.

 

[Acolyte]

To be honest I'm actually kind of in agreeance but there are multiple ways to skin a cat. If you want a flaming sword you can make flame grease that lasts a scene with Alchemy, You can Enchant the sword to ignite with the expenditure of Willpower or you can use the Hellfire ritual. There's also the fact that I don't know if we can buy backgrounds with XP or characters can get certain merits without coming pre-loaded with them essentially if I did it right this is just a way to have them in games where you cannot spend XP on backgrounds or merits but you still want to during the course of a game Acquire The Mana background or force of spirit strength of psyche or flow of ki.

To be honest if we can buy backgrounds and stuff with XP this could just be a way to enable the spending of XP on those backgrounds or Merits. The Mana background itself mentions taking in potions to do it. There's also the fact a character does not need the path of Mana manipulation to buy any of those merits or the Mana background so in my mind that means there are multiple ways to acquire it whether you were born with Mana or you are a accomplished Alchemist or some kind of Enchantment laid on an object that allows you to take in Mana something.

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Also NPCs don't have EXP. So they have to have some way of doing it instead.

 

[BeepSmile]

I've not been following the planning, but are we using the Fundamental Language of Reality here, so as to be able to communicate Molly's meaning in a way the this god will understand?

Something that communicates the concept of "You're not like, a dickhead of a god, are you? I want to help you life again if you like, but not if it turns out that you're going to/intend to be mean to people after, because if you're gonna be mean then I'm only willing to help you pass peacefully."

 

[BoredMan]

If less than twenty agree to bend the knee, take only those, kill the rest (we are in shintai with all the buffs, we should be able to dispose of lesser vampires with no issue)

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Only problem is the god said "take care of those that eat of me". I can't imagine why they would say no after hearing that and we just got through freeing them though.

 

[Yog]

Only problem is the god said "take care of those that eat of me". I can't imagine why they would say no after hearing that and we just got through freeing them though.

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True. This is a huge issue. To be honest, and as I said, I don't have a good answer. Leave Sophia with them and take some of them to Sanctuary to fijiah the job and trigger the Wheel? It's an issue with both votes, though which I am unsure how to address.

 

[firefrog600]

True. This is a huge issue. To be honest, and as I said, I don't have a good answer. Leave Sophia with them and take some of them to Sanctuary to fijiah the job and trigger the Wheel? It's an issue with both votes, though which I am unsure how to address.

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well not to freak you out or be an ass but ya need to write something for your vote to make more sense.

 

[Degorium]

[X] BronzeTongue

 

[Yog]

well not to freak you out or be an ass but ya need to write something for your vote to make more sense.

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Yeah, I understand. How about this:
[] Work out with the wizards who to take to the Sanctuary - whether they want to evacuate or will, take their own paths.
-[] Leave Sophia in charge of the vampires who come under your aegis and get them moving to Last Station

 

[frozenchicken]

Oh I remeber, this god was destroyed and from his body corn and other food sources were created , while from his body a new god was birthed. By feeding parts of his body to lesser vampires he is making them as part of nature like the plants that he made when he died. We could probably control the ritual and ressurect him if we have the correct abilities.

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Okay, so it looks like partaking of the blood of a dying God (and this one in particular) is fundamentally transformative. it might be a little late in the voting process, but I think I've had a really good idea.

@DragonParadox is it possible for Molly to use her power (and the fact she was 'responsible' for the god's death) to influence the outcome of what drinking the dying god's blood will have on the drinkers? Specifically, could she make it so that the blood instills a benediction/curse that frees Red Court vampires of both their malicious nature and loyalty to the Red Court?
I know she doesn't have charms that explicitly do that, but both Mercy in Servitude and Inner Devils Unchained are very closely aligned with that concept, so it feels like something that should be within Molly's wheelhouse.

 

[Yog]

Added the following to thevote:

--[] Those that you can't take to Sanctuary, move to Last Station
--[] Work out with the wizards and Sophia the logistics of moving your new vassals to Last Station or some other secure location

 

[DragonParadox]

Okay, so it looks like partaking of the blood of a dying God (and this one in particular) is fundamentally transformative. it might be a little late in the voting process, but I think I've had a really good idea.

@DragonParadox is it possible for Molly to use her power (and the fact she was 'responsible' for the god's death) to influence the outcome of what drinking the dying god's blood will have on the drinkers? Specifically, could she make it so that the blood instills a benediction/curse that frees Red Court vampires of both their malicious nature and loyalty to the Red Court?
I know she doesn't have charms that explicitly do that, but both Mercy in Servitude and Inner Devils Unchained are very closely aligned with that concept, so it feels like something that should be within Molly's wheelhouse.

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What you are describing is a Sorcerous Working. At Essence 4... she might be able to pull it off, though likely not on the fly. This is one of those things where I do not want to say impossible, but it is almost certainly not a roll you can make statistically

As for Molly being a planet, she is creator and animating soul of her world soul. It's not just that she's an infernal, I get where @uju32 is coming from, but yeah in this quest the previous holder of this exaltation took the first steps along the path of the Devil Tiger and the Exaltation remembers.

 

[BronzeTongue]

@BronzeTongue - if not "being eaten by vampires" how do you plan to make the god die in sanctuary? Because as I understand it, it's not just going to immediately keel over without being eaten.

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I'm taking him at his word about already being dead. My take was that he was basically stuck on life support so they could safely exploit him. If it's an issue we can do it.

I've not been following the planning, but are we using the Fundamental Language of Reality here, so as to be able to communicate Molly's meaning in a way the this god will understand?

Something that communicates the concept of "You're not like, a dickhead of a god, are you? I want to help you life again if you like, but not if it turns out that you're going to/intend to be mean to people after, because if you're gonna be mean then I'm only willing to help you pass peacefully."

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The guy's only request was that we take care of the feral children of his tormentors, whom he's trying to help ascend past their current state.

Maybe he turns out to be a dick anyway because there's some amount of mind control going into this decision, but the manner in which he's going about executing it seems like a good sign to me.

 

[BoredMan]

I get where @uju32 is coming from

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How. Is there some other Exalted lore that makes it questionable? As it is the charm itself explicitly states it's as you just said.

The Infernal shapes her heart, soul, and Essence into the shape of a realm of her devising, featuring whatever oddities of geography or natural law suit her nature.

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That doesn't give the impression of connected to a world that's pretty blatant in it being a soul reshaped into a realm, in this case a planet sized one.

 

[firefrog600]

Yeah, I understand. How about this:
[] Work out with the wizards who to take to the Sanctuary - whether they want to evacuate or will, take their own paths.
-[] Leave Sophia in charge of the vampires who come under your aegis and get them moving to Last Station

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Works for me there's some time flaws but like it seems fine Oh and maybe add what ya want to do for those who might refuse.

 

[firefrog600]

What you are describing is a Sorcerous Working. At Essence 4... she might be able to pull it off, though likely not on the fly. This is one of those things where I do not want to say impossible, but it is almost certainly not a roll you can make statistically

As for Molly being a planet, she is creator and animating soul of her world soul. It's not just that she's an infernal, I get where @uju32 is coming from, but yeah in this quest the previous holder of this exaltation took the first steps along the path of the Devil Tiger and the Exaltation remembers.

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I thought devil tiger was all or nothing either you've broken your limits and became the devil tiger or your merely a essence 5 or below infernal?

 

[BoredMan]

Nothing wrong with Yog's really, I just massively prefer the way Molly would speak in Bronzetongue's. Also I've no idea what "Sixth Dawn" is but that doesn't sound Five Courts related it reads like OOC knowledge somehow made its way into Molly's speech.

[X] BronzeTongue

 

[firefrog600]

Nothing wrong with Yog's really, I just massively prefer the way Molly would speak in Bronzetongue's. Also I've no idea what "Sixth Dawn" is but that doesn't sound Five Courts related it reads like OOC knowledge somehow made its way into Molly's speech.

[X] BronzeTongue

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Nah we know about the idea might be out of character in the literal sense molly doesn't want the sixth dawn and so probably wouldn't say it. But I can chock that up to her being dramatic.

 

[BoredMan]

Nah we know about the idea might be out of character in the literal sense molly doesn't want the sixth dawn and so probably wouldn't say it. But I can chock that up to her being dramatic.

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Mind reminding me because like I said I've no idea what that is or when it came up in story.

 

[Degorium]

Nah we know about the idea might be out of character in the literal sense molly doesn't want the sixth dawn and so probably wouldn't say it. But I can chock that up to her being dramatic.

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Mind reminding me because like I said I've no idea what that is or when it came up in story.

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No she very explicitly does know it and want it with plans on making changes for it.

Of Flames Old and New ​

18th of November 2006 A.D.

You always knew you were going to be a target and it's not like you've been twiddling your thumbs all this time, you have been working on getting allies, building bridges. Maybe the one who stands before you now does not think much of the Jade Dogs building new lives for themselves unnoticed in the dark places of the city, of the Ordo Lebetis pooling their talents against common threats, of Olivia and her dreams of a more representative ordering of magicians or Isabela who will if you have something to say about it never have to consume the life of another person despite the demon she bears. Oh yes, I know change is coming, your answering look says to the immortal standing before you his suit now a bit more rumpled and stained with engine grease from all the tests you have been running. I aim to make some of that change myself.

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[BoredMan]

No she very explicitly does know it and want it and it plans on making changes for it.

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That doesn't say "Sixth Dawn" Degorium.

 

[Degorium]

That doesn't say "Sixth Dawn" Degorium.

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Sixth Dawn is a thing with the Kuei Jin it is the fifth age of man currently and we know the wheel is turning. I can find more references for the Turning of the wheel but the sixth age thing is a kind of specific relationship but we do have a focus for our Occult on the 1000 hells. So I guess saying a new age is coming makes more sense but inherently the wheel turns is a thing that Molly has said in character before and we have a backing in eastern age timekeeping I guess so calling it the 6th age makes more sense than calling it a new age if we had a more Western facing occult score maybe something like a new age of Legends or something like that would be more appropriate.
Edit: Found them in character references to the wheel of Ages turning.

Ambition Cast in Spires, Dreams Dug Deep ​

"The Wheel turns to darkness..." both your parents start at Usum's voice. Dad at least has seen him in Sanctuary, but your mother never had.

"But wheels turn both ways," two-who-are-you speak as one.

So your darker side gives the impression of a bow in graceful acquiescence and you continue: "I do this not because I must but because I can, because there is hope."

"It's not going to change much if I go into all the ways people have tried to do what you are trying and failed over the years is it?" Dad asks, his expression softening from worry to something a lot more rueful.

"Of course it will change things, I'll make a better plan if I find out what went wrong in the past," you fire back as a burst of complex emotion blooms around your mother: Pride and frustration, sadness, bewilderment and contention, you don't even know what to name it.

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A Question in the Hand​

One thing you had not expected was a brief, but seemingly warm smile beneath that jet black mustache followed by the horse cranking its neck, as much as it is able to look more closely at you. "So the other tale is true as well? The missives of the Wu-Lung reach the Blood Court of Beijing only in ten thousand pieces as upon the packs of centipedes and from there still a long way must they travel against the breath of the North Wind to find my ear. How strange that this once once rumor did did not ride on steeds of dreaming or of dread. The Wheel Turns."

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[BoredMan]

Sixth Dawn is a thing with the Kuei Jin it is the fifth age of man currently and we know the wheel is turning.

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That's all you had to say. So "Dawn" is meant to mean Age here. It read like a specific term referring to something else at first rather than flowery language.

 

[Degorium]

That's all you had to say. So "Dawn" is meant to mean Age here. It read like a specific term referring to something else at first rather than flowery language.

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Oh my bad yeah it's just a turn of phrase like Dawn of a New Age, dawn of a new day, the beginning.

 

[Yog]

That doesn't say "Sixth Dawn" Degorium.

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Sixth Dawn is a thing with the Kuei Jin it is the fifth age of man currently and we know the wheel is turning. I can find more references for the Turning of the wheel but the sixth age thing is a kind of specific relationship but we do have a focus for our Occult on the 1000 hells. So I guess saying a new age is coming makes more sense but inherently the wheel turns is a thing that Molly has said in character before and we have a backing in eastern age timekeeping I guess so calling it the 6th age makes more sense than calling it a new age if we had a more Western facing occult score maybe something like a new age of Legends or something like that would be more appropriate.
Edit: Found them in character references to the wheel of Ages turning.

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I actually was using Aztec mythology here. We are currently on the fifth sun, according to it. Sixth Dawn is a metaphor of the next age that the god should understand. Molly knows it from asking about human evolution with the crown.

 

[Degorium]

I actually was using Aztec mythology here. We are currently on the fifth sun, according to it. Sixth Dawn is a metaphor of the next age that the god should understand. Molly knows it from asking about human evolution with the crown.

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I'm going to say that is actually brilliant I had no clue about that I thought it was purely about like the wheel turning but the fact it's a double reference to a calendar I had no knowledge of is actually brilliant because it works for both. Don't you just love it when weird mythological time keepimg methods line up like that.