Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The Blood thing isn't the problem for her, it's the solution, how she handles the addiction of Black Magic. The Agent did not catch that, but she was thinking of it near the end.
I do wonder if the Library would be willing to protect a employed lawbreakers from the white council? We know that they have regular relationships complete with envoys. It seems like the sort of thing that would quickly sour relations.

Next question would we be?

If we get inner darkness unchained we could solve both her addiction and lawbreakers problems.
 
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I do wonder if the Library would be willing to protect a employed lawbreakers from the white council? We know that they have regular relationships complete with envoys. It seems like the sort of thing that would quickly sour relations.

Silk will just have to see, though it should be noted as long as she has 'the V' she is stable and not breaking minds, as Lawbreakers go she's pretty exceptional.

Next question would we be?

If we get inner darkness unchained we could solve both her addiction and lawbreakers problems.

No, sticking a demon in her will not make her any less a warlock. Charm wise you would have to use False Spring Beckon and re-apply it when it wears off. That will work on pretty much anything, if would have made the Loup Garou tame since it is basically the Infernal bullshitting the universe into thinking some curse does not exist until it wakes up and realizes that yes it does.
 
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False Hope Springs is a great charm for suppressing addictions in return for making someone addicted to serving us.
 
And you want to trust him as the principle caster in a ritual? Cause I'm sure his many issues will definitely play well with what he thinks are white council reps.
Like Ive said, IF Molly is there. Otherwise, I expect varying levels of failure, regardless of who we leave behind.
Harry isnt great at socializing prickly men at this stage of his life, and most of Harrowmont's affectations will rub him the wrong way. And Lash, while much better at wrangling people, is not as good at practical magic.

And we need them both elsewhere.


I'd prefer launching a full raid with the debuff up as well, but practically the options on the table are waiting several hours to get the whole group or striking now with less than that.

You keep treating not acting as some neutral option when what it's doing is spending our most limited resource; time. The chaos magic ritual going off was the result of passivity on our part. There are plenty of things to be concerned about from acting too quickly, but a significant portion of our current problems are rooted in being too slow. Continuing to make the same mistake is unwise.
Not striking now with less, and more striking now with insufficient.
Molly still has that Agg injury, is at 10/15 Essence(still has to spend Essence to convince Harry to not come) and then would have to take those deficiencies into a search and destroy mission against unknown opposition while under a citywide hex.


I do not agree.
Marling has been here for at least six months. She has always had us beat on preptime by orders of magnitude.
This is not some new thing rigged because Molly showed up less than 24 hours ago.


No, they are based on our getting to the city 6 months after our opposition.
We havent been slow since we got here.


That was my mistake, but it ultimately doesn't change the math for me to any significant degree.

Every bit of extra time we've given her has resulted in things getting worse, and we're talking about trading Sandra hours of extra time to spend however she likes for some vampires and handling one of her side projects.
If we asked the cyber devils to summarize this trip here is what they'd give us:
Sandra did not hex Las Vegas for kicks.

We see what it takes for an archmage like Cowl to do something of this magnitude in Chicago in Dead Beat. Doing it represented a significant investment of time and resources, sends up the equivalent of a magical flare that lets everyone supernatural know that shit is going down, and started a hard timer on someone dynamic entrying the situation.

Ergo, she did it because it was important, if not critical, to her plot. That the power from panic and fear is important.
Washing it all out in a massive torrential downpour kicks out one of the legs that this plot appears to be reliant on, and makes it easier to stop it.


This tactic has been so effective I don't see why Sandra would stop using it. I generally agree with you on taking the meticulous approach, but an important part of this recognizing when the reflex to wait for more information or a better opportunity becomes a risky behavior and manage it like you would anything else.

It's not like this is the only time we've been bitten either. I think the consequences of this approach are generally lesser than dipping too far the other way, but the Will of Kakuri still punked us multiple times when we voted to run hours of prep right before his end game.

I could meet in the middle on delaying while also investing in things that actively take her time and attention for the entire duration. However, if the options are attack now or attack later with a better position and hope she doesn't use the extra hours to screw us again I'd like to exercise some basic pattern recognition.
Because she is on the clock.

Once she started the timer on the open largescale attacks, she has exposed her position to a lot of hostiles, who all want to know her location and those of her minions. From organized hitters like Molly to even unorganized assets like the punk goblins of Wanderland....I mean, Frankie and his lab just got vanished

Even mortal authorities have access to forensics and cellphone location records after 9/11, and in the face of what appears to be a mortal terrorist plot, they are going to try to use them.
And the afternoon's attacks have expended a good chunk of her human assets to boot.



Uh, she didnt use the extra hours to screw us. I dont think they were aimed at us at all.
These attacks were premeditated, and all aimed at chosen targets for a particular effect long before we even came to the city.
What occurs to me is that a lot of these places appear to have been Red Court affiliated

Whys someone hiding in the Red Court would draw attention to Red Court facilities is something I havent figured out yet.


No, sticking a demon in her will not make her any less a warlock. Charm wise you would have to use False Spring Beckon and re-apply it when it wears off. That will work on pretty much anything, if would have made the Loup Garou tame since it is basically the Infernal bulletining the universe into thinking some curse does not exist until it wakes up and realizes that yes it does.
Probably would actually.
But not Inner Devils Unchained. Silk's issues are that she has ongoing impulses to help/tinker that are only controlled by the super-drug that Red Court venom is.

You would want Latter-Day Devil Implants, the Medicine charm. Essentially you're giving her a bioware implant(Demon InsideTM) to handle her addiction/regulate her impulses.
 
If we get VEE of course we can offer a far better deal. However that is making plans about unhatched chickens. I know that uju32 hates the very idea of us getting it and he has a lot of influence.
I mean eventually we will run out of other charms.
The V thing isn't the problem for her, it's the solution, how she handles the addiction of Black Magic. The Agent did not catch that, but she was thinking of it near the end.
Can we not just fix the black magic thing then.

Also we have magical alchemy as well, i am sure we can figure out some really good drugs, even if it might give molly ptsd flashbacks.
 
Probably would actually.
But not Inner Devils Unchained. Silk's issues are that she has ongoing impulses to help/tinker that are only controlled by the super-drug that Red Court venom is.

You would want Latter-Day Devil Implants, the Medicine charm. Essentially you're giving her a bioware implant(Demon InsideTM) to handle her addiction/regulate her impulses.

Oh yeah, Molly could build a synthetic venom dispenser into her, one stripped of some or all the other negative impacts of V (depends on the roll).
 
Since it hasn't come up in a while: Are we going to release the Solar Exaltation? Cause having a spare Exalt around to share the workload is looking pretty good right now.
We might, but it certainly won't be right now. If we do, then it will be after this whole situation, and in more controlled circumstances. Especially likely to be postponed until we confirm where that abyssal exaltation is.
 
Huh, Leo is a pretty perceptive guy, moreso than simply being clued into the supernatural as a LoC agent. I wonder what his schtick is? I doubt he's a bog standard muggle.
Thats just the standard good cop routine from Federal agents.
If he's especially perceptive, he hasnt shown it yet.
She has Soulgaze in the book, that is the mark of a full wizard, if one who is limited because she's self-taught.
Hmm.
Okay, I can see why you went with that. If I'd realized you were going to characterize her as a full wizard, I'd have been whole hog in poaching her for the Brass Courts. Nothing she has cant be managed with Sanctuary tech, and our people would have been thrilled to get their hands on a cooperative wizard.
 
Oh yeah, Molly could build a synthetic venom dispenser into her, one stripped of some or all the other negative impacts of V (depends on the roll).
One that makes it on the spot, even from body fluids.
Hook it up internally, and it will produce the venom when needed until you have a more permanent solution.
I think DP said we healed this by now after I asked.
He did?
Oh! Great!
Thank you for pointing it out.
We just need 75 minutes to top up our Essence.
 
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Sandra did not hex Las Vegas for kicks.

Well, no.

Thing is no one is saying this.

Part of what we're saying is that she probably did it as a distraction, and that by deciding to take care of it, you are walking into her trap by trying to stop it.

Uh, she didnt use the extra hours to screw us. I dont think they were aimed at us at all.

Really? You claim again and again that she has defense ready for us and all that, but as soon as someone propose that she could be usinng the time we gave her to prepare against us, she suddenly stops doing so?

Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

I do not agree.
Marling has been here for at least six months. She has always had us beat on preptime by orders of magnitude.
This is not some new thing rigged because Molly showed up less than 24 hours ago.

She spent 6 months preparing for the local players, we, as you say yourslef, arrived less than 24 hours ago.

Thus, it makes perfect sense to expect that she would spend the time since she became aware of us to prepare for us.

Haste is not speed, but going at a crawl pace is not prudence either.

You constantly call going into the tunnels YOLOing, but this is false, we did prepare, and we do expect opposition.

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Like, it is very important to point out again and again that waiting doesn't benefit us, it can only benefit her at this point.
 
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Like, it is very important to point out again and again that waiting doesn't benefit us, it can only benefit her at this point.
That is factually untrue. Waiting would allow us to regen all essence before fighting the Dragon boosted by the sin-eater and go in with more troops who know the base better than us.
 
Well, no.
Thing is no one is saying this.

Part of what we're saying is that she probably did it as a distraction, and that by deciding to take care of it, you are walking into her trap by trying to stop it.
Well, that is not how distractions work.

She didnt need a distraction before because she was hard to notice. She was low key and most actions were by proxies
Right now she just wrote her presence in letters of fire across the sky, first by staging an array of mass casualty attacks across the city, then following it up by cooking off a strategic scale bad luck hex.

And furthermore, you are underestimating the amount of power and resources necessary to do something like this.
It took Cowl to do this to Chicago. A bloody archmage trying to ascend himself to a god.
Its not something you do as a distraction.

Really? You claim again and again that she has defense ready for us and all that, but as soon as someone propose that she could be usinng the time we gave her to prepare against us, she suddenly stops doing so?

Pull the other one, it has bells on it.
I point out that she has invested some of the six months prior in this city to prepare defenses against people like us.
She didnt prepare for us specifically.
We have only been in town for around 24 hoirs.

Her goal is to open the Hellgate, not to fight Molly for control of the Red Court.
The Crown says she intends to do it by midnight; Im assuming there's some stellar conjunction or date thing we're currently unaware of. She cannot simultaneously be doing one and the other.

Certainly not with her full attention. The Sin-Eater is not friendly, and will EAT her and her crew if they fumble.
She spent 6 months preparing for the local players, we, as you say yourslef, arrived less than 24 hours ago.

Thus, it makes perfect sense to expect that she would spend the time since she became aware of us to prepare for us.

Haste is not speed, but going at a crawl pace is not prudence either.

You constantly call going into the tunnels YOLOing, but this is false, we did prepare, and we do expect opposition.

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Like, it is very important to point out again and again that waiting doesn't benefit us, it can only benefit her at this point.
No, she spent six months manipulating the local players.

Maeve has explicitly been sending messages to the Dragon about Sandra since November, possibly before, but no earlier than Halloween. Since Sandra has had New Blood in the Red Court since then, she has been preparing for something like us since then. Thats the timeframe.
 
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That is factually untrue. Waiting would allow us to regen all essence before fighting the Dragon boosted by the sin-eater and go in with more troops who know the base better than us.

We have more than enough essence already, having some more motes isn't going to change anything, we don't use 10 in combats, hell, we don't even tend to use more than 5, our biggest expenditures are actually on social things.

5 more motes is not going to matter.

Well, that is not how distractions work.

That's absolutely how distraction works, draw the eye and move the other hand in the same time.

The current thing makes a chaotic situation worse, perfect to distract all opponents while she works.

She didnt need a distraction before because she was hard to notice. She was low key and most actions were by proxies
Right now she just wrote her presence in letters of fire across the sky, first by staging an array of mass casualty attacks across the city, then following it up by cooking off a strategic scale bad luck hex.

She didn't announce herself, she is creating chaos. Nobody knows she is the source of all that, and by the time they would be able to deduce it, the continent would already be gone.

She's making sure all that could act against her run around like beheaded chicken, trying to put out the numerous fires while she is preparing herself in complete impunity.

And you are dancing to her tune right now.
 
Do you know what's going to happen after combat? What if we have to social the sin-eater? What if Sandra does escape and we need motes to chase her down? You have no idea if we'll need them or not until after the fact.

So what?

If Sandra leaves, that at least means she was disrupted for a time, so we can regroup when it happens. She is where she is for a reason, forcing her to leave is a victory in and on itself.

Plus, if she is already able to leave now, then waiting still doesn't help us, as she will still be able to do so later.

If we somehow need to social the sin-eater, we would still have more than 5 motes to use on it, given that as I said, we don't tend to use that much in combat. Our standard social suite cannot be more than 3 motes, since we don't activate our anima every time we do, and can only do so if we use less than 4 motes in a scene.

Oh, and you telling that we have 10 motes doesn't take into account the very likely fact that we can learn a secret when meeting Sandra, giving us 2 more motes, or that we have murder is meat, meaning that we could recover even more motes if there are any targets for it.
 
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We have more than enough essence already, having some more motes isn't going to change anything, we don't use 10 in combats, hell, we don't even tend to use more than 5, our biggest expenditures are actually on social things.
5 more motes is not going to matter.
Speaking as the person who tends to track those things? No, thats not true.
Its an active effort to manage Essence expenditures in combat.

And combat is not necessarily the end of the encounter either.
For example, just after the first time we used shintai, we then had to help Arwan move his power to Old Man Mathews.
And then engage in social combat with Mab.

I give it better than even odds that we'll need to repair the seal by the time all's said and done.
That's absolutely how distraction works, draw the eye and move the other hand in the same time.

The current thing makes a chaotic situation worse, perfect to distract all opponents while she works.
No its not.
You do not expend that scale of magical resources on a distraction when you need it to crack a magical seal and its guardian.

If she wanted a distraction, she'd have just used a bunch of thralls to commit mass shootings and bombings to tie up the city in knots. Cheap, easy, straightforward, fire and forget, involves no largescale magic.

She didn't announce herself, she is creating chaos. Nobody knows she is the source of all that, and by the time they would be able to deduce it, the continent would already be gone.

She's making sure all that could act against her run around like beheaded chicken, trying to put out the numerous fires while she is preparing herself in complete impunity.
And you are dancing to her tune right now.
1)Thats not true.

The difference between Frankie working in his lab at Sandra's directions, and his currently having been vanished, along with his guards, by a group of punk goblins? Is Sandra beginning to move more openly where she can be tracked.
You do not cast strategic scale hexes on a major city and stay hidden in a world with as many types of divination as this one.

Winter, for one, has been aware of her presence here for months.


2)Thats just not true.

Nobody involved in supernatural response in Las Vegas has any connection or exposure to the city being snarled up.
Marling literally mindcontrolled the Shadow Killers until last night, her minions appear to have majority control of the Red Court, and both the leadership cadre of the White Court and Wanderland have left town.

The only people left are Arlene's people, who while paramilitary are is small time. The Cirque near Fremont, who are even smallertime. The unaffiliated and unorganized, who dont know shit.
And out of towners, like us. Who are unaffected.


3)We were explicitly told why Sandra cast this spell, and its not to distract us or make us run around like headless chickens.
I quote:
You meet Harry's eyes. "You thinking what I'm thinking?"

"Judging by the fact that you don't want to say is aloud, yeah," he sighs heavily. "Entropy magic, the whole city's been given a supersized dose of bad luck. That could be a spell Sandra and her lot have cooked up or a sign that the bad times door's starting to creak open."

"Not entropy," Tiffany corrects grimly. "What the Council sees as Outsider Sponsored entropy magic is one side of the coin. Chaos magic, misfortune upon foes of the Old Gods and fortune to their servants. It works best with agitated systems, the more unpredictability, the more violence. She is not just doing this for tactical reasons, but strategic as well."

"Ma'at reversed, Isfet," Mr Adkin says and for the first time since the fight at the temple you hear a tremble of fear in it
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