Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Wasn't it mentioned that Harry would do better with a more modern gun that parts, machining tolorances etc are vastly batter and would be able to tank the tech bane. Like most wardens use fully automatic pistols and even rifles.

Just to jump on this, the age of the item isn't important - the complexity of the technology is. A modern revolver would be better than an old one for the reasons you said, but an old revolver is still better than a new semiautomatic because there's fewer moving parts for the magic to screw up.

Also, where are you getting that Wardens use automatic pistols and rifles? Prior to Luccio's bodyjacking they used her anti-magic swords; after that they use whatever, but mostly foci like Harry's. There is one Texan Warden who uses a gun, but even that is a lever-action rifle IIRC.
 
Weren't you the one saying that it doesn't matter if mortals have a lower dice pool if enough are rolling?

Making a billion+ dollars in two years catches attention, and most of it won't be friendly supposing we can pull it off at all.

I mean, just gaming the stock market for money should be one of the most difficult possible tasks to pull off with finance since it's inherently complicated and so much effort had been put into regulating it from one end and capturing it from the other. Those people you're taking about who do are mostly insiders with connections to the already significant players.

This whole thing sounds more like an arc's worth of effort involving multiple charms than a quick pit stop to me.
The mortals with large dice pools, and/or luck are the ones making money on the market, but luck runs out, if they don't cash out, they pretty much will lose it later on. And for the several million others with small to mid level dice pools, in the market are the ones losing money to them. Over time it is those that have the large dice pools that win in the market. With 12 dice Molly is either better then any mortal, or just shy of the top 10 in ability.
 
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[X] Back 30 or 40 feet away from Harry and try to use our cell phone to call Murphy. If that doesn't work try again at 60 feet. Only after that attempt fails will we do as Harry asks and use his home phone.
 
The mortals with large dice pools, and/or luck are the ones making money on the market, but luck runs out, if they don't cash out, they pretty much will lose it later on. And for the several million others with small to mid level dice pools, in the market are the ones losing money to them. Over time it is those that have the large dice pools that win in the market. With 12 dice Molly is either better then any mortal, or just shy of the top 10 in ability.

OK so I actually looked into this. To give some numbers for the stock market. Someone like Warren Buffett or George Soros, the people who are really good and probably more than a bit lucky consistently make about 20% yearly profit over a span of decades, which is about twice what he market makes when taking that same period downturns and all. That is what the mortal height of day trading over a long enough period looks like. The people who made 12000% because they invested in Amazon in the late 90s or something, well first of all you are probably just Jeff Bassos and maybe one or two others and second of all when they try to diversify probably end up losing money by just the law of averages.

The really astronomical numbers for stock profits are not about skill as people like Buffet and Soros show who have actually diversified portfolios they are about being lucky... or since we are talking about magic seeing the future.

Let's just write a practical guide to sorcery/ancient sorcery when we know enough and live off of the royalties

That only works with essence though. Molly has so far not met another person who uses it, though granted it has been less that 24 hours.
 
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To add to the above about the stock though the 20% is when dealing with tens of billions of client's money. The smaller the numbers you are working with the easier it is to hit bigger percentages without the very things you are doing to make a profit destroying the opportunity you found.

As best I can describe it since the way to make a profit as a day trader is to diversify the more money you have the more good picks you have to make to keep up your margins because if you just put your ten billion in the Hot New Tech of the day that stock is going to go up sharply, other shareholders are going to see it and they are going to sell leaving you at a lower share price than you bought at.

I have to say research into the stock market was not where I was expecting this quest to go, but that is fine. I like these sorts of surprises in quests
 
*chat discussing about the possibility of cheesing the Stock Market to become a billionaire in two years tops*

*meanwhile, I'm sitting on top of the uber-combat god Sidereal build that could plaster even the greatest of Exalts like unruly children*

Ah, Exalted. Thou brings the best in people...
 
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*chat discussing about the possibility of cheesing the Stock Market to become a billionaire in two years tops*

*meanwhile, I'm sitting on top of the uber-combat god Sidereal build that could plaster even the greatest of Exalts like unruly children*

Ah, Exalted. Thou brings the best in people...
Unfortunately we are working with an infernal exalted, one of the weaker exalted with regards to bureaucracy shenanigans. So we can't just buy a single charm, and win at money forever.
 
Seems like the easiest and fastest way to make money, and to do it without investing finite resources (XP!) into a niche field, would be to learn one of those Charms y'all have mentioned that are useful for other stuff, like healing or granting minor wishes, then find a wealthy person in need of medical services beyond those offered by current medical science.

Steve Jobs has pancreatic cancer in 2006, plus he's one of those really smart dumbasses who ignores legit treatment in favor of "alternative medicine". What's more alternative than magic?

Is curing someone's cancer within reach of our potential powers?
 
*chat discussing about the possibility of cheesing the Stock Market to become a billionaire in two years tops*

*meanwhile, I'm sitting on top of the uber-combat god Sidereal build that could plaster even the greatest of Exalts like unruly children*

Ah, Exalted. Thou brings the best in people...
ExWoD Sidereals have some fun things.

Like carrying around a bag full of disconnected vampire hearts you can slurp for Essence at any time by using the Citrine Pox disease that lets you pop out organs and limbs from someone without hurting them and drinking them using Charcoal March.

ExWoD Sid Martial Arts incentivize diversification and synergy instead of building deep in styles.
 
curing someone's cancer within reach of our potential powers?
Verdant Emptiness Endownent explicitly says that its able to heal one Flaw that the target has suffered. So that works.

There's one other method. Mercy in Servitude, but that is only applicable to Bakemono/Fomori, a type of evil spirit that we could definitely create. But it's going to take two Charms to do it (Bakemono changing Charms aren't cheap). It's also a 'put the cart before the horses' type of situation'.
 
Verdant Emptiness Endownent explicitly says that its able to heal one Flaw that the target has suffered. So that works.

There's one other method. Mercy in Servitude, but that is only applicable to Bakemono/Fomori, a type of evil spirit that we could definitely create. But it's going to take two Charms to do it (Bakemono changing Charms aren't cheap). It's also a 'put the cart before the horses' type of situation'.
Verdant Emptiness Endowment sounds like a useful Charm to know going from how often y'all have mentioned it and the breadth of changes it can accomplish.
 
Verdant Emptiness Endowment sounds like a useful Charm to know going from how often y'all have mentioned it and the breadth of changes it can accomplish.
Well, it's quite literally THE faustian deal Charm that wicked spirits used to lure those unsuspecting to do their bidding. That and the fact that it's a 5-Dot Charm quite warrants the flexibility.

Just... don't wish for more than 3 Wishes. Otherwise, you'll become a Fomori/Bakemono.
 
Actually I have a question, DP.

I noticed that there is a section in the pdf, the Dark Ages version that has some different Charms.

This makes sense because Lanka would be different IC, but the Wicked City just has some different Charm effects that are actually pretty good and isnt metaphysically different enough.

Question is, can we buy A Theft For All Labors (good signature and variant of the Craft Charm), and A Home for Liars, at some point?
 
That only works with essence though. Molly has so far not met another person who uses it, though granted it has been less that 24 hours.
Though I remember mortals having limited success learning how to use essence if they are willing to make themselves miserable doing it. That may not be half as effective in this rarefied atmosphere even beyond the whole 'make themselves miserable doing it' part. Its not all that helpful for a self help book.

For wealth... we don't need that much. Not unless we decide to give Marcone competition. We need something to lubricate all the chaos we are dealing with, and which Harry is dealing with, but beyond that its mostly something to help us survive if we need to take our bug-out-bag and run. Maybe getting our own damn apartment ten seconds after graduation to reduce familial friction, if the worst doesn't happen. We won't want to be tied up with a time sink like an actual job when that time comes.

Fairly modest. We could literally etsy our way into that, if it came down to it, even without breaking out any real tricks. There are options aplenty.
Are you saying that capitalists aren't evil spirits?
Evil spirits at least have to obey their own strictures. Capitalists are not so easily warded against.
 
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I was bored and I know we're eventually going to grab the Make A Hell Charm so

I made a potential hell Build, for later?

[] Hell: Sheol, The City Behind Every Shadow
-[]Size: Average (-0) The Realm is about the size of a major city.
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[]Geography: Mundane (-0), Simplified [For Molly And Allies Only] (-5)
-[]Climate: Comfortable Climate(-5)
-[] Population: Strange Inhabitants (-10), Superhuman Inhabitants (-15), Ordinary Folks (-5), Overpopulated (+10)
-[] Social Structures: Modern (-5)
-[] Technology: Modern (-0)
-[] Loyalty: Loyal (-5)
-[] Features: Non-Euclidean (-10), Strange (-5), Time Differential (-10)

"Welcome Friends, To Sheol! Behold The Unsleeping City! The Dayless City! The Obsidian Gem! Take in her black marble skyscrapers as they cast vast and deep shadows onto her streets of brass and bone, Delight at the pin pricks of eerie geisterlicht that serve as the cities lights make Sheol look almost magical!

...from a distance

Do Not Be Fooled. It Is a City like any other, but with far more dangerous and desperate citizens. So! Keep your head down, Avoid Her Unblinking Gaze, count yourself lucky you're only a tourist. Stay Close, Listen Close, Pay Well, and you'll be safe with me." -Ryan Hellfast, Professional Sheol Tour Guide.

The City Behind Every Shadow is a Large Cosmopolitan Urban Area of Approximately 8.666 Million —In a space meant for half that, at least filled with all manner of Demons, Humans, and many other Supernatural Beings besides living beside, below and on top of one another in an often uneasy peace enforced by the Velvet Glove and Brass Fist of The Sheol City Council. The Council has 7 Seats, 6 of which belong to a prominent faction within Sheol, The Vampires, The Demons, The Mortals, The Mages, And The Fae. The Last is the Highest Chair, Which Belongs In Perpetuity to The Nascent Demon Empress Herself.

The City boasts a eclectic architectural style, a strange and often intermingling blend of Slick Art Deco, Communist Block Brutalism, and Classical Baroque Ostentation. Also of note, Space and Time in Sheol are more a suggestion than a rule of nature, as one might find a bodega whose bathroom door leads in actuality the middle of a small park, or a library in place of a empty lot if you walk past it backwards three times. Indeed, any attempt to exit the city in any logical fashion end in failure, spitting you out somewhere often much deeper in. On the positive side, a stay for a week or more may see you return to the Mortal World only hours or minutes after you left. Fortunately, Once you have filed and been approved for the appropriate visa (You Won't, unless you're Molly) Travel too and From the Dayless City is as simple as inserting the vantablack metrocard into any appropriately door-sized shadow in an Urban or Suburban Area, which will lead to its Obsidian Mirror in Sheol. (A Helpful Tip! Tourist Visas are temporary, and often only one way, be sure to be prepared!)

The City itself is intimately familiar to Molly—as it should beShaped as it was by Her unconscious mind and nurtured by the spark the slumbering Dark God inside Molly Carpenter. She Knows its streets and subways, its shortcuts and finest spots like the back of her own hand, helped in part by the fact that The "Sun" here is a Vast Unblinking Eye whose Iris glows, Moon-like and with strange unradiance that seems to create shadow rather than light. The Thousand Eyed Demon Empress can choose to look though it to simplify her navigation of The City Behind Every Shadow at anytime. (She may, in time, learn to use this...City Eye for more then simple navigation, for an Exalt's Potential is Limitless.)


I think its neat, and I had fun doing the write up, so I hope y'all like it
Its concept is good, but I still prefer the idea of Hell of Paradise, or as I like to think of it in my head, Paradise Lost.

I am up for that idea.

Honestly, it could very easily turn into a weird actual Hell if we were of a mind.

Living a life with absolute ease, excess and ultimate access to everything and anything you desire and think of, no hardship, no danger anything...

It's pretty good, but without some mind or soul editing it may get...hellish in some thousands or millions of years. Grinding someone down by fulfilling their every wish until they can desire and wish for nothing and become empty husks.

Hell approved.

Edit:Thematic for people who loved life more than virtue. Let them gorge on all life until they can't take it.

If we are making this Hell, I am in. It would be suffering of the most self-inflicting kind.

You know what would be a good name, and the ultimate irony?

The Hell of Paradise.

Since a paradise means enclosure, and with the theological and mythological paradise being a land of plenty, this being an enclosure of every beautiful and desirous thing of earth, with one exception.

You cannot leave, ever.

Hmm, that would be good. Only there is one issue...

The Yomi Wan, which is basically the type of Hell an Infernal is able to make, must have at least ONE escape route from said realm. It could be protected by legions of Demons, it could be hidden away with lung-bursting mists, and it could even be placed right in plain sight. But the one universal rule of the Thousand Hells is that there MUST be an escape route. It's how the Wan Kuei are born and made.

In fact, what would be most damning is that the portal out of said Hell is right there, right in plain sight, undefended and clear for all.

It's just everyone is so addicted to the Hell of Paradise that they would never want to get out.

Well, that sounds easy.

What's the escape from paradise? Just pick this fruit from this tree.

Where is the tree? In the center, far away from everyone. Where illusions and temptations of every earthly good thing tries to keep you away from.

So the only way out is both recreating the Original Sin AND denying all earthly pleasure. So you're stuck with the worst of all worlds.

There's a hellish escape.

Edit: If you want it to be extra bad to get out, also put a moat of salt water around the island in the center where the tree is, where every torturous illusion will stop you from approaching it.

To make it clear that they are voluntarily leaving paradise for earthly suffering. Why a sea? The bitter sea metaphor that is quite common iirc.


Because for me, it invokes both Molly's Christian roots and the idea that she really doesn't want to hurt anyone, thus making her personal world the best it can be, just not taking into account, because of the normal human mindset that she still has. has, which in the long run (after several millennia) is as bad as any other hell. After all, what human considers the logical consequences of creating it after 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 years?

If I have that option at the time of the concert vote, I will vote for it.
 
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