Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Maybe getting our own damn apartment ten seconds after graduation to reduce familial friction, if the worst doesn't happen. We won't want to be tied up with a time sink like an actual job when that time comes.
The only time we should move out of the Carpenter household, with its super sturdy Threshold and Archangel security system, is when we can create our own nigh impregnable pocket dimension or afford a decent house.

Decent in this context means not only sturdy and in a good neighborhood, but with at least a moderately sized yard so we can put up a good privacy fence, a basement for a lab and other magic-related purposes, and the ability to be physically hardened, i.e. bullet and explosion resistant windows and doors. It would also need to be in a good neighborhood in relation to the Nevernever, since we wouldn't want to have to worry about nasty shit trying to slip when we're distracted or away.

Most importantly, it would need really significant wards. If we can't set them up ourselves, we would need to pay Harry, Monoc Securities, or someone else to do it for us. IIRC, Harry never really was able to ward his basement apartment like he wanted due to it technically being a shared living space with other tenants, and the Threshold suffered because of that as well.

So, how soon can we learn Verdant Emptiness Endowment and how much do y'all think not dying of pancreatic cancer is worth to Steve Jobs?
 
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Most importantly, it would need really significant wards. If we can't set them up ourselves, we would need to pay Harry, Monoc Securities, or someone else to do it for us. IIRC, Harry never really was able to ward his basement apartment like he wanted due to it technically being a shared living space with other tenants, and the Threshold suffered because of that as well.
There is an Ancient Sorcery that can lower or raise the Gauntlet by 2 steps. I have zero clue how this translates to Dresden mechanics.
 
The only time we should move out of the Carpenter household, with its super sturdy Threshold and Archangel security system is when we can create our own nigh impregnable pocket dimension of afford a decent house.
I'm assuming that very quickly we will end up reaching a point where we can't do most of the things we want to or need to under that roof. Its safe but that has a very steep cost as well. We are going to grate against the people in our life harder than ever before.

But you have a point when it comes to warding. That is reachable, at least, especially with Harry. Though the poor man still needs his income anything with him is going to be workable numbers even with our insisting on paying every dime owed and more.
 
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I'm assuming that very quickly we will end up reaching a point where we can't do most of the things we want to or need to under that roof. Its safe but that has a very steep cost as well.
Maybe Harry will let us crash on his couch for a while if/when we reach that point? I think it's still several years before his apartment building is scheduled to be burned down, right? Or is my memory playing tricks on me again?

Assuming we don't butterfly that right out of the timeline.
 
Maybe Harry will let us crash on his couch for a while if/when we reach that point? I think it's still several years before his apartment building is scheduled to be burned down, right? Or is my memory playing tricks on me again?

Assuming we don't butterfly that right out of the timeline.
Though considering we keep trying to seduce the poor man... she has historically wanted to crawl inside him like he was a tauntaun on Hoth... that could be taken wrong. There is a fine but indistinct line between roommates and being married and its particularly hard to find when the other person is into you.

That aside, nobody in the history of mankind has needed a roommate more than Dresden and we need somebody in our life who is that we can let down our hair around. And the latter is going to be an extremely exclusive club considering our status as a walking masquerade breach.

Being an icecube at least would mean that nobody in the know would actually think something might be happening.
 
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I really like the city hell but it is a bit small, can we make it larger, maybe drop the space thing or something. Make it at least country sized.
 
Though considering we keep trying to seduce the poor man... she has historically wanted to crawl inside him like he was a tauntaun on Hoth... that could be taken wrong. There is a fine but indistinct line between roommates and being married and its particularly hard to find when the other person is into you.

That aside, nobody in the history of mankind has needed a roommate more than Dresden and we need somebody in our life who is that we can let down our hair around. And the latter is going to be an extremely exclusive club considering our status as a walking masquerade breach.

Being an icecube at least would mean that nobody in the know would actually think something might be happening.
I think there was only one seduction attempt at this point?

Obviously, we'll need to pinky promise not to try that anymore.
 
Obviously, we'll need to pinky promise not to try that anymore.
>Pinky promise
Considering what we are, I'm not gonna be surprised if Dresden were to have us sign a (non-magical, but formalized contract) of the things we should and shouldn't do.

Molly: "Point 3, subsection B, page 4. 'You may not wear any scantily-clad attire on my bed whilst dwelling within this building.' Oh, come on! It's just that one time!"

Harry: "And I nearly had my heart leaping out of my throat, with your father's blade in hot pursuit of it."

Usum: "Where I came from, that is a standard procedure for a betrothal."

Mouse: *Despondently whines in resignation*
 
>Pinky promise
Considering what we are, I'm not gonna be surprised if Dresden were to have us sign a (non-magical, but formalized contract) of the things we should and shouldn't do.

Molly: "Point 3, subsection B, page 4. 'You may not wear any scantily-clad attire on my bed whilst dwelling within this building.' Oh, come on! It's just that one time!"

Harry: "And I nearly had my heart leaping out of my throat, with your father's blade in hot pursuit of it."

Usum: "Where I came from, that is a standard procedure for a betrothal."

Mouse: *Despondently whines in resignation*

Actually Michael would believe you as long as you are not lying, he has a very good sense for those things. Charity on the other hand... :V

Yeah, probably best not to suggest living with Dresden for a while... a considerable while.

If you're referring to the Cold Water Scene at the end of Proven Guilty that got butterflied I think.

Yeah that was the product of as far more adrift Molly Carpenter. While this Molly still has a crush she is not about to do something that extreme about it.
 
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The issue for me is that I doubt that we will get it after the 10 000 years. So we will just end up with in my opinion pretty boring leisure world for the duration of the quest.
I wouldn't consider it a world of leisure, after all the posts I put were just the essence of this world (or as I see it, the punishment for souls) I don't decide the government, the inhabitants etc, like with Sheol, after this is done I'm sure it will be as cool as the City Behind Every Shadow. @Jack vile Ripper could you build something like this like @JustGazzer do? I liked the Shintai you wrote and I don't know Exaltad enough to create something that could have come from him, just like Sheol was (it really sounded like a description that I would read in an RPG book, it was absolutely great).

Also when I spoke of logical consequences I was saying that all humans, unless explained by others, who see this place will not think about what happened to these souls after thousands of years of having all their wants and needs fulfilled at all times. moment or the real difficulty of getting out of there after all that stuff when the door is right there in the open with no guards or anything blocking it. They'll just think the place is great and people will totally leave if they want to for some reason.

And I want that, because when we have Essence 2 and the King and Kingdom spell, what will create our own hell will be our subconscious and along with exaltation. I want Molly to be amazed at the beautiful world she has without realizing its implications, I want her family and the other Knights of the Cross to feel and see a paradise on earth instead of heaven, I want Harry and the other possible allies they are more experienced in the dark side of magic see and understand the scale and danger that Molly can do, and the true meaning of this world as a truly insidious prison where only maybe 0.0000001% of those inmates here manage to muster the time to get out and even fewer really get out.

Where its inhabitants (native creatures, probably in the form of angels with a view to modernity, and other inhabitants of other species such as in Sheol) are probably masters of psychology, seduction, subterfuge and etiquette, where their politics and way of life is an expanded version. of a Game of Thrones, with the only exception of Molly, whom they obey without question, and her guests, whom they try to please.

My choice process is that I really like the narrative of:

Molly doesn't want to hurt/torture anyone, but the Dark God piece in her body surely can't just create something totally good and without any downsides, so wouldn't it be better to take her Christian roots, her admiration for her father and the other knights, the trust/respect for angels and create a world of perfect happiness?

But that eventually (after hundreds of thousands or millions of years) will lead to souls being crushed for having all their requests and needs met unless they are different, who have her father's inviolable faith, willpower from her mother and Harry etc, and support putting all that aside to go back to the real world.

Of course with the exception that, even though they left, they experienced the true Infinite Bliss once and in the face of the challenges and evils of the real world they will always have a little voice deep inside them that wants to drop everything and come back (a little devil on the shoulder, for example lol ) which they have to resist. After all, isn't it natural that Paradise always has its doors open for its children who regret leaving?

I really think this concept is cool and something I've never seen.

(Whew, I hope I didn't go completely crazy with my words, I just like the concept and I was really excited about it, but if we have other better choices at the time of voting I can choose others)
 
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Its concept is good, but I still prefer the idea of Hell of Paradise, or as I like to think of it in my head, Paradise Lost.
The book? Also do keep in mind that we aren't allowed to not have an exit that people may leave through and that them leaving turns them into vampires. Wan-Kuei are vampires right?
Edit: you know exactly what you're talking about and I know that you do after reading the above post sorry for assuming that you had forgotten about stuff like this
 
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Molly doesn't want to hurt/torture anyone, but the Dark God piece in her body surely can't just create something totally good
Eh, I wouldn't call Primordial's dark gods per se.

Just alien to a degree inimical to human existence.

I would imagine the catch is that the Exaltation PERECTLY carried out her wishes for the Kingdom, and its simply that human desires married to primordial power and degree result in...things like Primordials.

Concepts taken to the absolute, dreams manifested to a degree impossible in a lesser reality. Any thing or idea can be horrific if an ideal freely overwrite reality.

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The book? Also do keep in mind that we aren't allowed to not have an exit that people may leave through and that them leaving turns them into vampires. Wan-Kuei are vampires right? Edit: you know exactly what you're talking about and I know that you do after reading the above post sorry for assuming that you had forgotten about stuff like this

We can have extremely obtuse or hard to reach exits though.

Not even just "on an island surrounded by all kinds of illusions", but maybe even esoteric stuff.

I wonder how esoteric it can get.

"Inside what you love the most."

Including yourself. And yes, escaping would necessitate somehow surviving excavating yourself and crawling into yourself if you love yourself the most out of the whole world. The hardest part would be that no one really wants to randomly destroy what they love, so finding out about it is...really hard.

There just has to be an exit, not an easy one.

Stuff like that.
 
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I wouldn't consider it a world of leisure, after all the posts I put were just the essence of this world (or as I see it, the punishment for souls) I don't decide the government, the inhabitants etc, like with Sheol, after this is done I'm sure it will be as cool as the City Behind Every Shadow. @Jack vile Ripper could you build something like this like @JustGazzer do? I liked the Shintai you wrote and I don't know Exaltad enough to create something that could have come from him, just like Sheol was (it really sounded like a description that I would read in an RPG book, it was absolutely great).

Also when I spoke of logical consequences I was saying that all humans, unless explained by others, who see this place will not think about what happened to these souls after thousands of years of having all their wants and needs fulfilled at all times. moment or the real difficulty of getting out of there after all that stuff when the door is right there in the open with no guards or anything blocking it. They'll just think the place is great and people will totally leave if they want to for some reason.

And I want that, because when we have Essence 2 and the King and Kingdom spell, what will create our own hell will be our subconscious and along with exaltation. I want Molly to be amazed at the beautiful world she has without realizing its implications, I want her family and the other Knights of the Cross to feel and see a paradise on earth instead of heaven, I want Harry and the other possible allies they are more experienced in the dark side of magic see and understand the scale and danger that Molly can do, and the true meaning of this world as a truly insidious prison where only maybe 0.0000001% of those inmates here manage to muster the time to get out and even fewer really get out.

(Basically, 'So long as you stay within the confines of the safe grounds I have prepared for you, you will be well. But do not wander off! Lest ye be fallen'. Something like the Tree of Knowledge from Adam and Eve.)

Where its inhabitants (native creatures, probably in the form of angels with a view to modernity, and other inhabitants of other species such as in Sheol) are probably masters of psychology, seduction, subterfuge and etiquette, where their politics and way of life is an expanded version. of a Game of Thrones, with the only exception of Molly, whom they obey without question, and her guests, whom they try to please.

My choice process is that I really like the narrative of:

Molly doesn't want to hurt/torture anyone, but the Dark God piece in her body surely can't just create something totally good and without any downsides, so wouldn't it be better to take her Christian roots, her admiration for her father and the other knights, the trust/respect for angels and create a world of perfect happiness?

But that eventually (after hundreds of thousands or millions of years) will lead to souls being crushed for having all their requests and needs met unless they are different, who have her father's inviolable faith, willpower from her mother and Harry etc, and support putting all that aside to go back to the real world.

Of course with the exception that, even though they left, they experienced the true Infinite Bliss once and in the face of the challenges and evils of the real world they will always have a little voice deep inside them that wants to drop everything and come back (a little devil on the shoulder, for example lol ) which they have to resist. After all, isn't it natural that Paradise always has its doors open for its children who regret leaving?

I really think this concept is cool and something I've never seen.

(Whew, I hope I didn't go completely crazy with my words, I just like the concept and I was really excited about it, but if we have other better choices at the time of voting I can choose others)
Sure, I can make an option for said Hell.

It will be a vast and nourishing realm. Where you are given everything that you might need. Where in every bough, every stream and air are tuned in to your liking.

A perfect haven for those dwelling there, but outside this bubble of peace, the people will see what sort of fate will await them should they ever want to leave this place. Arid air where your lungs coughed up dust, molten lava and cracked soil is the most ubiquitous sight outside the realm. Not that they will ever want to get out, goodness no! They have everything they'd ever want and as long as they stay within, all will be well.

(Basically, something like Adam and Eve's warning from God about the Tree of Knowledge)
 
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I really like the city hell but it is a bit small, can we make it larger, maybe drop the space thing or something. Make it at least country sized.
So have you ever heard of an Ecumenopolis?
Because of all this talk about cities and planet sized hells and yozis I tried writing a poem about an ecumenopolis and I'm not sure how good it is but I did it:
Spires of brass and stone
Kilometres in length and width
Piercing clouds as if titanic spears
Touching upon the edge of night
A civilisation of industrial might
Ecumenopolis
Manufactories rumble with volcanic thunder
All dressed but lightly with ash
Alike to constant snowfall
The people alive and unbreathing
A society of brass organs and stone skin
The world's heart a churn of energy
An engine of planetary scale
I might rewrite it at some point.
@Jack vile Ripper what options would we take for this?
This is just a hypothetical I don't even know if it would be a viable option
 
Sure, I can make an option for said Hell.

It will be a vast and nourishing realm. Where you are given everything that you might need. Where in every bough, every stream and air are tuned in to your liking.

A perfect haven for those dwelling there, but outside this bubble of peace, the people will see what sort of fate will await them should they ever want to leave this place. Arid air where your lungs coughed up dust, molten lava and cracked soil is the most ubiquitous sight outside the realm. Not that they will ever want to get out, goodness no! They have everything they'd ever want and as long as they stay within, all will be well.

(Basically, something like Adam and Eve's warning from God about the Tree of Knowledge)
This would work with Island of Safety or whatever that trait for the Kingdom was called. Where the plentiful middle is the isle and everything else is a hellworld, but the exit is somewhere there.

Edit: You know what would be the true trial?

If walking out is not enough. And the exit only appears if you construct a tower to reach it.

Two reasons. Tower of Babel parallels, for reaching closer to god is escaping.

And the most important is...to make sure its not a momentary impulse to leave. And what is a better indicator of will and determination than not just leaving Paradise, but willingly working hard, constructing a tower in these conditions after being in Paradise for so long.

Of course its one per person. So no building one tower and mass exodus.
 
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This would work with Island of Safety or whatever that trait for the Kingdom was called. Where the plentiful middle is the isle and everything else is a hellworld, but the exit is somewhere there.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

I want the exit to be near the outside world. Where those that want to get out get to have a glimpse of what sort of things will await them should they try to escape. Do you want to live where the weather can scour your skins off instead of the idyllic warmth on the Middle Realm? Do you want to drink waters so polluted by sins and fire rather than the cool pools where all wounds are healed? Do you have the heart to bear the outside where you can no longer be pleasured to your heart's content?
 
Because for me, it invokes both Molly's Christian roots and the idea that she really doesn't want to hurt anyone, thus making her personal world the best it can be, just not taking into account, because of the normal human mindset that she still has. has, which in the long run (after several millennia) is as bad as any other hell.
Let me explain the logic behind mine then.

Sheol is The Place of Darkness whispered of in Jewish Myth, and in many ways, the very basis for the contemporary Christian conception of Hell, the potentiality of it fed by unconscious Mind of Molly herself. It is still a Hell Shaped by a Sleeping Devil Regent, it can't not be, even as Molly's Good Inclination shapes it into something mostly livable, even charming, in its own strange way— Sheol is intended to be Molly's Hell. Her Personal Hell, in both senses of the phrase.

It is The Hell Of Being Watched and Judged, the Hell of Being Lost In The Mob, The Hell of The Rat Race, The Hell of Mundane Cruelty and Lost Souls. It is The Hell of Other People.

Molly, who was always the subject of prejudice, Molly who is terrified of her friends becoming another overdose statistic on a chart somewhere. Molly who lives in house with too many people she's responsible for and sometimes thinks to herself 'I wish I was alone, for once'. Molly who looks at the world and sees all the petty evils people do to one another just to make their miserable lives just a little less bleak and thinks to herself, "This Is Hell"

So therefore, her Hell is a City, like the world she knows. A vast Unsleeping City where nothing makes sense, everyone is packed like sardines, there's never enough room or enough time to care, where often, the greatest kindness a fellow can give you is to ignore you. Where it is so much easier to be cruel than to be kind.

And She's The One! The Lady Mayor, the one we've been waiting for! Finally, hope, finally, perhaps there will be change! Why, it's Her Face on the money, Her Seat that Is Empty, Her's is the Deciding Vote! her Eye that Burns With Unlight in a Starless Sky.

Sheol has awaited The Infernal Bürgermeisterin for untold eons. They are loyal and willing to listen, even obey, but Molly must manage their concerns and interests carefully lest they turn against her. This Place is Hers, the Good Parts of her and The Bad. This Hell of Molly's doesn't start as a Paradise, but I firmly believe with work, it can become one. A Mirror of her intent in the Mundane, I like to think.

It'll be hard work, but interesting, meaningful work. Something to wile away the decades, at least.

And in the meantime, literally any kind of person we need, with an understanding of modern society and technology, from a Mortal Mage to a Giant Ape Demon, each is a Citizen we can summon and bind from Sheol's Shadow. We'll never want for useful allies, not when there's 8 Million of them spread over a city roughly the size of New York City. :p
 
So I know Exalted and I know very little of Dresden, but it also sounds like we're using a WoD rewrite for Exalted? I don't recognize the Primordials being used for the Charms even if it looks like they're just reskins of the usual ones.

Also the "Here Be Dragons" mention got a chuckle out of me. That's how the edge of ancient ocean/sea maps were marked sometimes to denote there was only unknown danger past that point.

Also any plans to turn into a new Primordial? The "Paradise Lost" discussion going on right now sounds like it would be a first step towards that tbh, though I always loved the Keris Games one where the "1st Circle" demons were born inside their soul-scape as they grew in power.
 
Molly who looks at the world and sees all the petty evils people do to one another just to make their miserable lives just a little less bleak and thinks to herself, "This Is Hell"
I get the idea, but I don't really...like it.

I think that the ideal is that the Kingdom of an Infernal is the ideal world for the Infernal. The Hell part is what it is like to other people.

The truth that someone's perfect ideal, is at least someone else's absolute hell, if taken to absolute and with absolute power.
 
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