Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Can you elaborate please? Because I do not see it as the charm is silent on if it prevents Lethal Looping into Agg and as per V20 Lethal Loops into Agg.
It depends on how literally you interpret it.

Only taking Agg can kill you. Is taking Lethal when your HL track is filled actually taking Agg? Or is it taking more Lethal and your condition rolls over, but since its not taking lethal the magic of the Charm preserves you.

Since its not a natural thing but an active Charm, which have been said to be generally absolute if they do work.

Edit: An example to demonstrate it. If your track is filled, and you get hit with Lethal damage that would roll over...you would still soak the attack itself with Lethal soak, and what goes through is what rolls over. So it was not Agg damage.

Only if you soak it as Agg is it agg attack by this reading.

Not every Storyteller would do it like this though.
 
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Arc 0 Post 26: Arts Courteous and Culinary
Arts Courteous and Culinary

6th of July 2006 A.D.

Understanding surges though you, more than the words whispered in your mind, the patterns of the world made clear as living flame. Looking past Harry you bow slowly palms extended to show you are not armed, then briefly you stick out your tongue apparently to show that it is not black. "Usum so help me if you are making any of this stuff up I will find a way to strangle you..."

"I would deserve no less Merciful Herald of Righteous Violence,"
he replies serenely as Mouse, you think his name is, abruptly stops barking, though he does not stop glowing.

So under the tutelage of a devil and the increasingly alarmed eyes of Harry Dresden you recount:"Good fortune to you scion of the Auspicious Lions, guardian of the high door and keeper of the Fifth House. Know that I mean you no evil and no evil to those whom you guard. I will not drink their breath waking or sleeping, nor crush their bones with ice. I shall not set the flaying wind upon them nor..." Nope, not saying the part about the maggots, that's gross. "Nor shall I give ill counsel but only good. I seek enlightenment in the ways of the world and the ways of spirit and shall freely give such understanding of both as I am asked for in fair exchange. "

By the end of your proclamation the spirit dog looks really confused with all the hair on his body sort of puffing out as the spectral fire dims and he tips his head to the side. That had apparently been 'very generous terns' according to Usum.

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"You know, people usually just bring a treat or a toy," Harry jokes, sounding a little forced.

Stealing a glance at him you see that he looks worried, but like worried about you not if you are planning something worse than the flaying wind for him thankfully.

"Well I hope they ask him what kind of treat he would like and don't just assume, he's like really smart. It's one of the gifts of the heavenly blood and if he has enough of them to glow like a bonfire and bark like the drums of the Twelve Heavenly Generals he certainly has enough to be as smart as you and me."

Mouse barks an affirmative then kind of shakes himself and snaps his jaw like he's surprised to be agreeing with you.

Taking that as a good sign you slowly approach, never breaking eye contact and and hold out a gloved hand to sniff. He sort of hits his nose on it and sneezes though he does not move away so you finally sink your hand into the fur behind his head for a good scratch. He just wanted to protect Harry, you can't blame him for that.

"Reel it back a bit. I feel like I might be missing something here," Harry finally says.

"Something..." you cut yourself off. Saying that precise ritual formulas just popped into your head might actually be worse than a voice since it just sounds more sneaky. "My power comes with its own spirit guide that is now also part of my soul." Anticipating the next question you explain. "Usum, that's his name, hasn't asked me to do anything nor align with any outside power in fact near as I can tell he thinks I should be in charge."

"In charge of what?" Harry asks carefully. It's all you can do not to wince at all the stuff you are dropping in his lap.

"Uh... whatever I want to be I think. I'm getting ancient despot vibes from the whole thing, and I do mean really ancient. Rakshas of the Demon city dug it up in one of the deepest parts of Yomi Wan, but they could not really use all its power properly because it was meant to empower a mortal soul..."

And so you give an accounting of what Usum had told you, with more detail this time in case it would help, the battles of the all-consuming flame and endless night upon the battlefield of abstract vice made manifest in blood and jagged stone. About halfway though you wander over to the kitchenette and ask: '"Want me to make dinner? it's getting pretty late."

"No, you don't have to..." Another affirmative woof cuts him off. "Traitor," Harry mutters before shaking his head. "Looks like there's been distension in the ranks, but this isn't a democracy so like I said you don't have to."

"I want to I'm hungry too you know and I don't talk with my hands." That one doughnut you had for lunch is a long time gone by now. No matter your changes the cafeteria food at Lakeview still tastes terrible

That is how you find that Harry has a surprisingly well stocked cupboard and spice-rack, though you do not have the time to do anything more complicated than some lasagna. It feels a little silly to be leaning into your power to cook but it has no more trouble granting understanding of that than it does the right words to smooth over an argument.

Hmm... maybe you could layer it like...

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"What on earth is that?" Harry asks when you come into the main room plate in hand in the middle of explaining who Emma-O was and who he had been.

"Hey!" you glare at him a little. Maybe you had gone a bit overboard, but that is no reason to take that tone. "It's a model based on a reconstruction of the Zigurat in Ur I saw on TV a few months ago. Some people think the Tower of Babel might have been a Zigurat so it felt like thematically appropriate for all this knowledge sharing."

"That looks very nice Molly." He sounds a little faint, but much more appreciative. The two of you put out plates for Mouse and even for his cat Mister though Harry says he's not sure where he's gone off to. Mouse seems to like it though.

It is really, really good if you do say so yourself, like I-will-have-three-servings good.

As for Harry he looks like he is in carb induced heaven when he takes the fist bite. "What did you make this with?" he asks when he finds his voice again.

"The stuff in your pantry," you answer innocently.

He opens his mouth to speak sort of looks to the side at someone only he can see.

Without missing a beat you wave at the patch of air. "Hello Lasciel, how're you doing?"

"Don't do that," Harry frowns and looks sort of guilty at the same time maybe for exposing you to bad influences. That train has left the station and reached all the way to LA by now.

"Why?" you counter. "I know she's there to tell the truth the creepy part is not being able to hear her."

"Trust me you are not missing much," he sort of half-grumbles then quickly changes the subject. "So what do you want to know about?"

Plan voting, each topic costs half an hour. It is 5:30 PM

[] Magic... his kind you mean and how it works

[] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy

[] The local supernatural scene

[] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works

[] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon

[] Write in


OOC: Well that went about as well as it could have for you guys. The only thing I regret is that this was not a Harry interlude so you could hear his thoughts and Lash's comments.
 
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@DragonParadox I have a few questions?

By Pain Reforged : Prevents the effects of Bashing Damage in Incapacitated health box from occurring and -1 to wound penalties.
Q: Does this prevent overflow of Bashing into lethal?

By Agony Empowered: Prevents the effect of Lethal Damage in Incapacitated health box and others.
Q: Does this prevent overflow of Lethal into Agg?
 
@DragonParadox I have a few questions?

By Pain Reforged : Prevents the effects of Bashing Damage in Incapacitated health box from occurring and -1 to wound penalties.
Q: Does this prevent overflow of Bashing into lethal?

By Agony Empowered: Prevents the effect of Lethal Damage in Incapacitated health box and others.
Q: Does this prevent overflow of Lethal into Agg?
  1. Yes for that one box, though you will be in real trouble if you get that far
  2. No, that is too strong for a two dot charm, it would basically make you the equivalent of what the Dresden RPG calls mythic toughness with one charm
 
I'm not American, but over here 15:00 or 16:00 is pretty long schoolday.
My ADHD would force me to commit suicide if Highschool ends at 7 P.M.

"Good fortune to you scion of the Auspicious Lions, guardian of the high door and keeper of the Fifth House. Know that I mean you no evil and no evil to those whom you guard. I will not drink their breath waking or sleeping, nor crush their bones with ice. I shall not set the flaying wind upon them nor..." Nope, not saying the part about the maggots, that's gross. "Nor shall I give ill counsel but only good. I seek enlightenment in the ways of the world and the ways of spirit and shall freely give such understanding of both as I am asked for in fair exchange. "
...

@CorruptedKing remember when you said that my Vote looks too bland and that I should add five more titles and genial manners within, only for me to make a joke Xianxia vote?

Yeah, I can hear your 'I told you so' from across the continent. Sorry.
No, that is too strong for a two dot charm, it would basically make you the equivalent of what the Dresden RPG calls mythic toughness with one charm
By Agony Empowered is a 5-Dot Charm though?
 
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Local supernatural scene seems dead necessary.

We'll be running into whatever the fuck is in town and, right now, we are burning like a goddamn beacon. Pretty much everyone with supernatural senses are going to act like Mouse just now, needing to be placated because we seem like the Winter Court blowing through the nearest brick wall like the fucking Koolaid Man. "OH YEAH" and all.

It would be good to know who we can say "I'm with Harry Dresden" to and have it help rather than being one more reason to scatter the fragments of our corpse to the four winds.

I probably wouldn't spend more than an hour total because, yeah, mom. We need to get through our shit and deal with her shit. Wait too long and we won't be able to.

And... holy shit. We can cook. We previously could only make quality coffee, everything else being at 'Homer Simpson Burns Breakfast Cereal' levels.


As for Lash... this is probably a good excuse to use invisitext where it isn't giving us undue plot knowledge. Just for flavor, it seems alright.
 
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Huh... five dot charms are supposed to be pretty strong, but on the other hand letting you walk though an arbitrary number of bullets triavializes certain enemies in a not very fun way so I am going to say that stands, lethal wraps around still with that one
Wait, hold on, how does that work?

Exalts can wrap Bashing into Lethal into Aggravated. Suppose that an Infernal with no By Agony Empowered was hit until he reaches Incapacitated Lethal, thus making him wrap into Aggravated. His only hope is to flee the area from whatever is causing him harm.

But if By Agony Empowered doesn't allow us to be immune against wrapping Lethal to Aggravated for a scene, then it's just a useless 5-Dot Charm.

Besides, we're not completely immune to all damage. Anything that can deal direct Aggravated can still kill us.
 
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Huh... five dot charms are supposed to be pretty strong, but on the other hand letting you walk though an arbitrary number of bullets triavializes certain enemies in a not very fun way so I am going to say that stands, lethal wraps around still with that one
But that still means people with merely lethal weapons have to fill out our entire health-track yet again with the wrap-around damage to Agg, right?

Edit: Combined with turning wound-penalties into boni that's still a powerful Charm.
 
Errr....sorry but can you elaborate by what you mean by "that one box"?

she does not fall unconscious when her Incapacitated health box is filled with bashing damage

If you are at the point where your inc box is filled with bashing, everything else is lethal which means you are in deep trouble and hanging on by a thread even if if it s supernaturally strong thread thanks to the charm

We can just blow up all guns with a Lanka charm. Firearms wont be our bane anyway.

Sure, but that costs essence
 
Wait, hold on, how does that work?

Exalts can wrap Bashing into Lethal into Aggravated. Suppose that an Infernal with no By Agony Empowered was hit until he reaches Incapacitated Lethal, thus making him wrap into Aggravated. His only hope is to flee the area from whatever is causing him harm.

But if By Agony Empowered doesn't allow us to be immune against wrapping Lethal to Aggravated for a scene, then it's just a useless 5-Dot Charm.

Besides, we're not completely immune to all damage. Anything that can deal direct Aggravated can still kill us.

Wound penalties become bonuses and the wounds still have to do the wrap around. Normally you are at Inc lethal you are unconscious, with this you have to be at Inc Aggravated... at which point you are super dead, but you just get angrier and stronger until that point like you are the Hulk. A normal exalt without the charm would get weaker.
 
[X] Two hours of knowledge
-[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
-[X] The local supernatural scene
-[X] The broader supernatural scene and how diplomacy between the factions works
-[X] The Denarians, you know a bit, but something tells you you are going to need a lot more understanding of them soon


Everything vital, only his kind of magic is less than relevant since we can't use it, but we will still need the info on that eventually of course.
 
Wound penalties become bonuses and the wounds still have to do the wrap around. Normally you are at Inc lethal you are unconscious, with this you have to be at Inc Aggravated... at which point you are super dead, but you just get angrier and stronger until that point like you are the Hulk. A normal exalt without the charm would get weaker.
The wound penalty to bonus thing costs 1 Essence and lasts only a single turn.

That's really not something you can leave running imo.
 
Wound penalties become bonuses and the wounds still have to do the wrap around. Normally you are at Inc lethal you are unconscious, with this you have to be at Inc Aggravated... at which point you are super dead, but you just get angrier and stronger until that point like you are the Hulk. A normal exalt without the charm would get weaker.
Yeah, the charm is not worth 5 Dots if that is all it does, especially since the bonus lasts only one turn and costs essence.

We also need to pass the Will roll so it is not instant as well.
 
[X] Plan Local Affairs and Probable Enemies
-[X] The Winter Court and Queen Mab, you think you have made an enemy
-[X] The local supernatural scene


Everything else can wait for another time when we won't be out suspiciously late and when Harry's not at risk of being visited by wizards who might want to cut our head off or anyone else we won't want to meet. Let's just talk about the locals, whom we're likely to run into because they're local, and the Winter Court whom we might run into because we just recently cut our way out of the Winter Court.
 
Yeah, the charm is not worth 5 Dots if that is all it does, especially since the bonus lasts only one turn and costs essence.

We also need to pass the Will roll so it is not instant as well.

That is a fair judgement for you guys to make and just not take it. I just do not want to get to the position where you can say: 'yeah we can totally take that mechanized battalion they do not have agg'. It would be much more fun to have you plan for how to take it out with your diabolic powers.
 
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The wound penalty to bonus thing costs 1 Essence and lasts only a single turn.

That's really not something you can leave running imo.
Agreed, without the Scene-long Immunity against wrapping back from Lethal to Aggravated and just a one turn bonus, that's not worth buying at all.

Honestly, we're better off buying The City Still Stands in that case.
 
A five dot Celestial-tier Charm should be a mighty and mythic miracle. It's the kind of power that creates legends across ages.
 
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