Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Right, it's not really a priority.

I also wouldn't be opposed to just some more abilities points.

I'm not a fan of crafting Charms though.
Not because I think it's not useful, but mostly because I just don't want to go in that direction.
Using our Excellency to craft nice things as a hobby is fun, trying to go full crafter is not my interest.
Were never going to be a full crafting build of that's what your worried about. Were swords all the way down.

That being said.

Money, equipment, tools...

Getting shit is helpful, even if you arent a crafting build.
 
Since you guys were talking about crafting, here is a WIP from the author of the fan book about how to make various classes of magic items:

Link

I am going to be using it because the alternative is the mostly weak stuff from Werewolf or the mind-numbing horror that is Mage20's crafting.
Here is the post.

Edit: This is also useful to extrapolate backwards. If technology rolls is needed to make Tech Prodigies, then similarly, technology is needed to make mundane equivalents.

Like how Craft is both magic and mundane blacksmithing.
 
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Uhhh.

That doesn't mean you can use Craft to craft things that are under the umbrella of Technology or Computers, just that the Charm is also applicable to those Abilities.

We have Tech 1, not favoured and Computers 0.

And the crafting doc DP posted seperated tech type stuff and craft type stuff.

Craft is stuff like blacksmithing, leatherworking, carving etc. Closer to medieval or magic foci making (without the magical part), as opposed to...modern stuff.

As long as my preference is also part of the plan I don't have strong feelings for or against most Charms.

Crafting is very low on my enjoyment or priority list but I don't dislike it.
We also have occult five. Used to make Foci and the like. Potions, etc.

@Valkhir We dont have the charms to make any of those things, and were probably never going to. Those are major magic item creation rules.

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I suppose if you say your extrapolating backwards. Not that we have much or any tech or computer literacy.
 
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We also have occult five. Used to make Foci and the like. Potions, etc.

@Valkhir We dont have the charms to make any of those things, and were probably never going to. Those are major magic item creation rules.
Yeah thats why I don't mind it.

Its more a caution against thinking we can do all this tech and computer stuff with it with our anemic or nothing Ability scores.

Edit: There was talk of making machines or computers. We wont be able to with our scores imo. Thats it.
 
A quick question.

By Agony EEmpowwered (•••••)
The Infernal is not merely inured to agony and loss, but has transformed it into a bastion of strength. System: When the Infernal's Incapacitated health box is marked with lethal damage, she does not die; only aggravated damage can kill her. If she succeeds at a Willpower roll against difficulty 8, she can remain active and functioning for the rest of the scene even with lethal damage in her Incapacitated health box. Finally, by reflexively spending 1 Essence, the Infernal may transform her wound penalties into bonus dice for one turn.
Does this mean that if we pass the will save, we literally cannot die unless Agg damage is done?

The charm is silent on if it loops into Agg Damage or not. So does this mean, once our Incapacitated health box is marked with lethal damage, we literally cannot take more damage?

Same with By pain Reforged. It does not say that the damage loops into Lethal, only that the effects do not occure.
 
A quick question.


Does this mean that if we pass the will save, we literally cannot die unless Agg damage is done?

The charm is silent on if it loops into Agg Damage or not. So does this mean, once our Incapacitated health box is marked with lethal damage, we literally cannot take more damage?

Same with By pain Reforged. It does not say that the damage loops into Lethal, only that the effects do not occure.
I know Bashing rolls over into Lethal naturally otherwise you couldn't kill Vampires with 5000 assault rifles because they soak it as Bashing.

I don't remember if Lethal rolls over. My first instinct says yes, but I am not sure.
 
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I don't think so.
The Charm says only Agg damage can kill us, so I assume they mean it.
That would be cool.

It also makes me desire Rage Recast even more. Never assume we are the only one with a specific kind of magical effect.

An example exists already anyway, the Loup-Garou. We'd need Agg damage to immobilize it or it would regen or just continue on, I think.
 
Lethal damage does indeed wrap around to aggravated.

Slicing us with a sword eventually becomes literally tearing us into tiny pieces.

Same with a powerful enough explosion point blank. Being on fire long enough, etc.
 
....hmm, I'm not saying that crafting magical or non-magical utilities or equipments is something that we shouldn't do, it's just that as a long-time WhiteWolf Player (as some of you guys are) I know that White Wolf Crafting system suuuuuuucksss. It's bad in 2e, it's bad in Mage, and it's even worse in 3e (Skyrim 10,000 daggers anyone?). The fan community's first response to any system WW ever conjure that revolves around Crafting is to tear it down from the ground up and use Homebrewed mechanic.

I have a bad experience with Exalted's Crafting system and I will always refer to Revlid's Homebrew Crafting than whatever trite White Wolf made. White Wolf can't make a Crafting system worth a shit.
 
....hmm, I'm not saying that crafting magical or non-magical utilities or equipments is something that we shouldn't do, it's just that as a long-time WhiteWolf Player (as some of you guys are) I know that White Wolf Crafting system suuuuuuucksss. It's bad in 2e, it's bad in Mage, and it's even worse in 3e (Skyrim 10,000 daggers anyone?). The fan community's first response to any system WW ever conjure that revolves around Crafting is to tear it down from the ground up and use Homebrewed mechanic.

I have a bad experience with Exalted's Crafting system and I will always refer to Revlid's Homebrew Crafting than whatever trite White Wolf made. White Wolf can't make a Crafting system worth a shit.
Dp posted homebrew for artifact creation. I expect they will cover more... usual equipment as well.

Making stuff from Dresden Files books is the real treasure here honestly. As nice as armor, guns, and grenades are.

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Also you picked craft favored. Why if you dont like it?
 
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A quick question.


Does this mean that if we pass the will save, we literally cannot die unless Agg damage is done?

The charm is silent on if it loops into Agg Damage or not. So does this mean, once our Incapacitated health box is marked with lethal damage, we literally cannot take more damage?

Same with By pain Reforged. It does not say that the damage loops into Lethal, only that the effects do not occure.
It means that so long as you are not attacked with Aggravated Damage, even if your Health Track is FILLED with Lethal or Bashing Damage, you will not die. That's it. End of story.

The only downside is that you'll be spending a long time recuperating from all those injuries, but hey. At least you're not dead.
Also you picked craft favored. Why if you dont like it?
It's what the folks wanted at the time. Again, I am fine if people wanted us to Craft items, I just have bad experience with WW Mechanics 'tis all (but then again, it's WW, so what's new?).
 
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It means that so long as you are not attacked with Aggravated Damage, even if your Health Track is FILLED with Lethal or Bashing Damage, you will not die. That's it. End of story.

The only downside is that you'll be spending a long time recuperating from all those injuries, but hey. At least you're not dead.

It's what the folks wanted at the time. Again, I am fine if people wanted us to Craft items, I just have bad experience with WW Mechanics 'tis all (but then again, it's WW, so what's new?).
Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy can heal that Lethal track pretty fast, honestly. If we're at the point where we're buying By Agony Empowered, we should have that.
 
your Health Track is FILLED with Lethal or Bashing Damage, you will not die. That's it. End of story.

The only downside is that you'll be spending a long time recuperating from all those injuries, but hey. At least you're not dead.
I thought this was based on V20 and the other old world systems. Do Exalts not wrap around or bump off damage?

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Alright. If were using the vampire system we can eat an infinite amount of lethal damage with that charm. As long as we dont take a single point of Agg.

That's completely fucked though and I would house rule it out in a heartbeat.
 
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I thought this was based on V20 and the other old world systems. Do Exalts not wrap around or bump off damage?
I know Exalts wrap around Bashing to Lethal to Aggravated. I just think that if you use By Agony Empowered you can NOT wrap around from Lethal to Aggravated. Only Bashing to Lethal. You needed to use exclusive Aggravated attack damage dealer to deliver coup-de-grace.
 
I know Exalts wrap around Bashing to Lethal to Aggravated. I just think that if you use By Agony Empowered you can NOT wrap around from Lethal to Aggravated. Only Bashing to Lethal. You needed to use exclusive Aggravated attack damage dealer to deliver coup-de-grace.
So would not "By Pain Reforged" do the same except for Bashing to lethal?
 
I thought this was based on V20 and the other old world systems. Do Exalts not wrap around or bump off damage?

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Alright. If were using the vampire system we can eat an infinite amount of lethal damage with that charm. As long as we dont take a single point of Agg.

That's completely fucked though and I would house rule it out in a heartbeat.
Wouldn't be the most fucked thing in Exalted tbh.

I remember there was a combo, or multiple that made you immune to any non-Agg damage.

The one I remember was using a Hearthstone that turns Lethal damage to Bashing which usually only effectively doubles your HLs.

If you used it with Laughing Wounds Style it got funny, because that can just categorically make you immune to Bashing rolling over and you turn wound penalties to bonus dice.

So you better pray the user is a CoD so Holy works, you yourself have some combo or Agg or King of Thieves Spirit to steal their item from them in combat or get fucked.

And agg was relatively rare as fuck. Transcendent Anathema is THE most cost effective and simple Agg outside Protean claws Ive seen.
 
So would not "By Pain Reforged" do the same except for Bashing to lethal?
Nah, By Pain Reforged just make sure that we would incur the least amount of penalties when we are injured, not immunising us wholesale.
It does not specify as such, but vampire rules say we can.
Yes, and By Agony Empowered allows us to not be Wrapped into Aggravated damage so long as it is still active.

When the Scene ends however, that's when we could be affected.
Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy can heal that Lethal track pretty fast, honestly. If we're at the point where we're buying By Agony Empowered, we should have that.
Imagine, if you will:

By Agony Empowered + Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy, + The City Still Stands

We will be like Dark Souls boss, and we STILL haven't pop our Shintai.
 
Nah, By Pain Reforged just make sure that we would incur the least amount of penalties when we are injured, not immunising us wholesale.

Yes, and By Agony Empowered allows us to not be Wrapped into Aggravated damage so long as it is still active.

When the Scene ends however, that's when we could be affected.

Imagine, if you will:

By Agony Empowered + Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy, + The City Still Stands

We will be like Dark Souls boss, and we STILL haven't pop our Shintai.
Plus Viridian Legend, Scar Writ and Ox bodies.

Infernals still tankiest Exalt types.
 
I thought this was based on V20 and the other old world systems. Do Exalts not wrap around or bump off damage?

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Alright. If were using the vampire system we can eat an infinite amount of lethal damage with that charm. As long as we dont take a single point of Agg.

That's completely fucked though and I would house rule it out in a heartbeat.
It's a 5 Dot charm from the "I'm damn near immortal" Hell tree.

I don't see it as too out there to be unkillable by most weapons.
 
Plus Viridian Legend, Scar Writ and Ox bodies.

Infernals still tankiest Exalt types.
They really are, even in 2e/2.5 Exalted, Infernals are THE tankiest Exalts of all, I have said this. Their Ox-Body Technique gives them the highest amount of Health Level Boxes than any other Exalts at base level.

... not that it matters anyway, Perfect or Die.
 
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