Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Honestly, I think Ebon would be up for welding Sol into Malfeas.

He can humiliate Malfeas by making it so he has to get help, be permanently and metaphysically connect with his rebel creation that took a huge part in causing his mutilation, he can reflect the new Virtue+Ultra powerful being that comes out to be an even deeper darkness,

And he never let himself by stopped by transgressions or horrific stuff. He's like the one Primordial that has stuff like becoming a Creature of Death and learning Necromancy from the Whisper, I think.

He would totally do it even if Sol was his own Fetich imo.
This has got to be the most self-destructive, apocalyptic and insane idea that could come up.

And the thing is, I agree. The Ebon Dragon would most definitely betray his brother, rub it on his face, and gain a HUGE power boost from the conjoined merge of two greatest beings in Creation to be his opposition whilst cackling at the misery he caused.

He is just that much of a dick.
 
It was the Shadow of the Dragon that was defined by being opposed to Sol. What he became the Ebon Dragon, is defined by opposition to everything. It a subtle but important difference.
 
Not confirming anything but I can just imagine the reaction of the White Council high essence Molly going: Open the Outer Gates I need to invade the Outside to end entropy! :V
Technically speaking, the seventh law deals with using magic to effectively open side doors to the Outside that bypass the security of the outer gates.

At the physical gates themselves though we can see the physical defenders fighting the outsiders even when there isn't a breach, which implies stuff like sallies to the battlefields around the gates.

So phrased correctly it might even be legal for us to try if we could make the trip ourselves.
 
It was the Shadow of the Dragon that was defined by being opposed to Sol. What he became the Ebon Dragon, is defined by opposition to everything. It a subtle but important difference.
I am nearly sure that he became the Ebon Dragon instead of the Dragon's Shadow because Sol existed and he could be his opposite, and the greater light casts a deeper shadow.

He was always Opposition to everything. Being Sol's opposition just solidified him and made him more powerful and anti-Virtue as opposing perfect Virtue.
 
Not many votes so far
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 13, 2022 at 8:29 AM, finished with 61 posts and 16 votes.
 
Maybe it's like the Elves and Valinor in the Tolkienverse where the Earth is flat for us but round for everyone else
Gonna have to correct you on this Arda isn't flat for the elves they just have a specific path they can follow to Valinor(with permission from the Valar) which exists aside from Arda after the Akallabeth.
Info for anyone who isn't a Tolkien nerd:
Arda(middle-earth) was flat up until the Akallabeth(the fall of Numenor) after which it was made round by Eru Ilúvatar.
 
Gonna have to correct you on this Arda isn't flat for the elves they just have a specific path they can follow to Valinor(with permission from the Valar) which exists aside from Arda after the Akallabeth.
Well, there once exist another path to traverse from Aman and Middle-Earth without having to beg to the Valar. T'was called the Helcaraxë. It was a treacherous path where it is so cold and frigid, that Arōmēz steered the Great March of the Quëndi to halt and sail them by sea instead.

It is also used by the Noldorin Elves to march into Middle-Earth. But since the Sinking of Beleriand, it can no longer connect to Valinor ever again.
 
At the physical gates themselves though we can see the physical defenders fighting the outsiders even when there isn't a breach, which implies stuff like sallies to the battlefields around the gates.
It might be that the outsiders fuck around with time and causality by virtue of being outside of such concepts.
It is also used by the Noldorin Elves to march into Middle-Earth. But since the Sinking of Beleriand, it can no longer connect to Valinor ever again.
I had forgotten about this but I can't remember when Beleriand sank but having checked the wiki I think it sank before Númenor.
 
Welp looks like it is a tie again, Harry or hospital, though who knows maybe hanging out can come in from behind.
Adhoc vote count started by Valkhir on Jul 13, 2022 at 10:09 AM, finished with 69 posts and 20 votes.
 
Not confirming anything but I can just imagine the reaction of the White Council high essence Molly going: Open the Outer Gates I need to invade the Outside to end entropy! :V
If they just lock the doors behind her it solves at least one problem no matter what. Arguably its just a particularly aggressive reinforcement action in the name of the Winter Court that... kinda doesn't know where to stop. You end up with at least one fewer gribbly in creation, one of those being Molly Carpenter.

Not that it would be seen that way, but still.
 
OK, I'd like to do two updates today so it looks like talking to Harry has it.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 13, 2022 at 10:55 AM, finished with 73 posts and 22 votes.
 
...what's on the other side of the Outer Gate? I know that it's distinct from the Nevernever (this verse's Spirit World/Umbra analogy), but what's out there? What sort of beings plagued those lands?
 
...what's on the other side of the Outer Gate? I know that it's distinct from the Nevernever (this verse's Spirit World/Umbra analogy), but what's out there? What sort of beings plagued those lands?
Its suggested to be literally indescribable because whatever is there holds no commonality with pretty much anything we have. The most deranged corners of the Nevernever are reality adjacent even if still alien, close enough that you can at least picture how they might work. The Outside is... its not like our universe is a book and what is out there is a completely different book. Its like our universe is a book and theirs is a burning torch.

I wouldn't count on math existing out there, or time and linear causality, or even fundamental concepts like truth and falsity. Everything we know is a conceit of our tidepool universe. We don't even know if what is out there is consistent or if it has realms as alien to one another as they are to us.

We get a glimpse of it... but the part adjacent to the Nevernever. Blasted mud and shale, like a WWI battlefield, with a starless obsidian sky and light without source or direction. It even has some scraggly, thorny plants. But thats still pretty much the Nevernever. The boundary had to have been built somewhere our laws of reality could still hold, I imagine. But knowing the Lovecraft-homage denizens, of which the observed Outsiders are supposedly the lowest servants, I do not count on anything of ours continuing very far past that boundary. They certainly obey few rules we would find familiar.

All we know is that we wouldn't survive trying to find out. We shouldn't try to find out, we shouldn't think about trying to find out, we should use as much doublethink as necessary to mentally change the subject whenever the topic of the Outer Gates for any reason reaches our greymatter.
 
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Its suggested to be literally indescribable because whatever is there holds no commonality with pretty much anything we have. The most deranged corners of the Nevernever are reality adjacent even if still alien, close enough that you can at least picture how they might work. The Outside is... its not like our universe is a book and what is out there is a completely different book. Its like our universe is a book and theirs is a burning torch.

I wouldn't count on math existing out there, or time and linear causality, or even fundamental concepts like truth and falsity. Everything we know is a conceit of our tidepool universe. We don't even know if what is out there is consistent or if it has realms as alien to one another as they are to us.

We get a glimpse of it... but the part adjacent to the Nevernever. Blasted mud and shale, like a WWI battlefield, with a starless obsidian sky and light without source or direction. It even has some scraggly, thorny plants. But thats still pretty much the Nevernever. The boundary had to have been built somewhere our laws of reality could still hold, I imagine. But knowing the Lovecraft-homage denizens, of which the observed Outsiders are supposedly the lowest servants, I do not count on anything of ours continuing very far past that boundary. They certainly obey few rules we would find familiar.

All we know is that we wouldn't survive trying to find out. We shouldn't try to find out, we shouldn't think about trying to find out, we should use as much doublethink as necessary to mentally change the subject whenever the topic of the Outer Gates for any reason reaches our greymatter.
The Primordials have carved out reality from the absolute Chaos.
Their Mythos overwhelms the world around them and forces it to act by their rules, instead of none, or any natural law.

So I'm quite sure with enough Essence Molly can enforce her idea of reality on the Outside.
 
Arc 0 Post 25: Guardian's Zeal
Guardian's Zeal

6th of July 2006 A.D.

Step one of doing something your parents, or in this case just mom, would not approve of after school is always to do something they would approve of such as pick up Matthew's suit up from the dry cleaner after the Incident with the Hot Sauce. You could have told him it is not a good idea to try to play pranks on Daniel with a four year old in the room while he was in his best suit, but what is done is done. Hank probably won't like spicy food for a long time.

Errand done you briefly consider bringing dinner, from what little you had seen of Harry's home it is the kind of place where a few portions of warm take out are the heights of fine eating, but in the end you decide against it. For one you are not entirely sure if you have enough money on you for good take out and for another he might be weird about it. Better to come empty handed then to be left awkwardly holding food.

The sun is starting to turn red in the rear-view mirror by the time you make it down the narrow quiet way to the old boarding house. It is the kind of place that would be described as quaint or picturesque by a real estate agent looking to make big bucks on some out-of-towners right before they rip up any semblance of history out of it, kind of impressive it hasn't been gentrified already really. You wonder if there is magic in that, if there are spells that can bind the fate of a particular building, or even neighborhood so they are not lost to the wear and tear of time.

"Not of any mortal city," Usum answers simply and you see in your mind's eye a dark city tangled with chords and wires like the sinews of some great beast, its heart the eerie whir of generators, its eyes a thousand windows staring and in that instant you know the proper name of it: the Wicked City. It has at least the charm of honesty to it.

There is no bell on the heavy steel door so like last time you knock.

Three things happen then almost at the same time: firstly a somewhat less unshaven and trenchcoat-less Harry Dresden opens the door with the rune carved stick in hand, secondly a car alarm goes off somewhere behind you, thirdly a deep heavy bone shaking bark rings out from behind him once, twice thrice, sound chasing echo and echo chasing sound. You had never in your life been scared of dogs, even big dogs but for just a moment hovering on that threshold you are over come by a desire to run, not even get in the car just go.

"Mouse stop that!" you hear Harry call back as you force your muscles to work lowering your hand very deliberately to your side.

The hell I'm going to let anything scare me like that again.

Spent 1 Essence

Looking around Harry you see the great guard dog, or as he had put it his 'dogosaurus rex' looking dead at you only he is most certainly not being a friendly floof this time around what the barred teeth the arched back and... oh yeah the ghostly blue flame on his golden coat.

"Spirit blood runs in the hound and his is the warding of thresholds," Usum hisses in your mind. "Those of Heaven's blood bear no love for those of Yomi Wan. I do not know if he is wise enough to have words with us in peace."

How do you address the angry temple dog?

[] With that courtesies Usum recalls (Charisma+Etiquette; may use Excelency)
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[] Let Harry handle it, it's his dog

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OOC: Mouse is in full battle mode because to him you look like an arch-devil in a day-trip out of hell. Also yes that was impervious Primacy Mantle because while you probably could have pushed though the fear effect on raw willpower Molly is very jumpy about fear effects so she reached for the Fear-Be-Gone charm.
 
The Primordials have carved out reality from the absolute Chaos.
Their Mythos overwhelms the world around them and forces it to act by their rules, instead of none, or any natural law.

So I'm quite sure with enough Essence Molly can enforce her idea of reality on the Outside.
Certainly. But remember the Primordials were of that same Chaos themselves and in that sea such leviathans still swim, no weaker. Especially if an Infernal went full Devil Tiger then, yeah, they could find their place in whatever ecosystem is out there and they wouldn't be at the bottom. But they wouldn't be an unassailable fortress-whale either.
 
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