Fate/Clusterfuck (Fate/Stay Night)

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[X] [Write-in] Summon Mordred with a Command Spell.

Look, Mordred may not be able to beat BB, but she can damn well buy us time to get Taiga and get out!
 
[X] [Kill Rin]

This is literally the exchange we came here prepared to make. Rin already tried to kill us, turned Saber into a mind-broken zombie for a tactical advantage, and did kill at least one innocent person. The fact that she was partly motivated by false pretenses and is frightened of suffering consequences for it changes none of that.

Kill her, end Saber's contract, save Taiga. The alternative is calling BB's bluff, and hey, I'm really not prepared to do that with our sister's life on the line. Are you prepared to throw Taiga's body onto the poker table and hope BB folds?

Hell, I'm not prepared to do it with Circe and Medea's lives, either, because I really don't rate their chances against Saber Alter. Even absent BB's ultimatum, killing Rin before the insane Servant she created can butcher (more) people would be absolutely the right move.
 
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Well shit, now that we know Rin wasn't behind Taiga's kidnapping (directly, at least), we have a couple of options.

[X] Summon Mordred to deal with Saber, then try and throw BB's phone in the microwave.
 
Revlid said:
[X] [Kill Rin]

This is literally the exchange we came here to make. Rin already tried to kill us, turned Saber into a mind-broken zombie for a tactical advantage, and did kill at least one innocent person. The fact that she was partly motivated by false pretenses and is frightened of suffering consequences for it changes none of that.

Kill her, end Saber's contract, save Taiga. The alternative is calling BB's bluff, and hey, I'm really not prepared to do that with our sister's life on the line. Hell, or Circe and Medea's lives, because I really don't rate their chances against Saber Alter.
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Trusting BB seems like a good way for all of us to end up dead but I'm trying to think of what else to do. It feels in my mind like trusting an end of Heavens feel dark Sakura mixed with one of the cruler outer gods of Lovecraft.
 
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Stonehelm101 said:
Well shit, now that we know Rin wasn't behind Taiga's kidnapping (directly, at least), we have a couple of options.
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The kidnapping is the reason we're here right now, above all our other concerns, but Rin was already being an extremely dangerous and reckless problem we knew we had to deal with before that. Every other reason we had for taking her out of the war - directly targeting us, turning Saber into a monster, unleashing her onto innocent people as collateral damage, etc - are all still very much present and correct.

Would it feel a lot cleaner if she was actively fighting us right now instead of being set up for an execution? Yeah, no doubt. Does she still warrant executing? Also yes.

Would it be a problem to take out Saber Alter and let her... I dunno, flee to London and hope Raiga doesn't have the will or wherewithal to target her there? No, not really. Do we have the ability to do that? Absolutely not.

Erien said:
Only really works on things she summons into the mess herself... and things aren't entirely clear there.
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Yeah, if she could just Command Seal BB, the obvious solution would have been to do that to teleport her "missing Servant" back to her side right away. I don't think that's on the table.
 
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[Refuse]

We came here with the possibility of killing Rin, so far besides the getting a person killed shit, she hasn't done anything here to deserve being killed, she didn't even know BB was a Servant and wasn't the one to kidnap Taiga. While getting a person killed is definitely a no in Shirou's eyes, he was still willing to talk it out earlier, hence killing her only being a possibility. Also I don't trust BB in the slightest, and if we want to save Taiga it makes more sense to have another Magus on our side.
 
Revlid said:
The kidnapping is the reason we're here right now, above all our other concerns, but Rin was already being an extremely dangerous and reckless problem we knew we had to deal with before that. Every other reason we had for taking her out of the war - directly targeting us, turning Saber into a monster, unleashing her onto innocent people as collateral damage, etc - are all still very much present and correct.

Would it feel a lot cleaner if she was actively fighting us right now instead of being set up for an execution? Yeah, no doubt. Does she warrant executing? Also yes.
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I would definitely agree that she deserves punishment but Shirou really isn't really a person who just kills someone who one is defenseless and two isn't fighting he was willing to let Shinji go despite him literally activating a sequence to liquidate an entire School of people.

Edit: killing Rin in this situation feels exactly like a Mind of Steel ending even down to a girl in a bad situation due to circumstances being killed without a fight.
 
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Yeah, highly agree: killing Rin here and now is a Mind of Steel situation. She may have fucked up and gotten people killed and probably deserves some sort of justice, but she in of herself isn't an active threat.

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are
 
Erien said:
"Why can't I?" you ask. "You'd be fighting her if she threatened your family. You…" You stare at Ayako for several moments, saying nothing. "You can't save everyone."
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So this is why Archer keeps Simping for Meds. He figured out The Witch of Betrayal is the quickest way to break his rules.
Erien said:
"Shirou… who were they?" Ayako asks.

"No idea," you reply honestly, watching the numbers tick by on the elevator. "I'm just happy we got here before they got to Rin. Caster… is Souichirou a mage?"

"Not that I could tell," Caster's voice replies. "The other two were though."

"One smelt of death and decay," Circe's voice replies from elsewhere. "The other smelled like nothing but tobacco."
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So Mordred's Master, Soichiro, and Shirou's Other Mother. Neat.
Erien said:
For a brief moment you nearly reached out to her, to ask her what was wrong, but your purpose takes over. "Rin. You wanted to talk?"

She blinks, once, twice, then her eyes widen rather dramatically. "Wait… Shirou!? How…" She blinks again, then straightens up. "What are you talking about?"

You reach into your pocket and produce the phone.

Rin's eyes flit to it, her expression of dignified confusion turning into regular confusion quickly. "How'd… how did you get that?" then she looks past you, her eyes widening further. "Ayako… why are… what are you wearing!?"

You feel more than see Ayako dip behind you to hide. "It was thrown through my window, where I met BB, where she kidnapped Taiga and made Sakura comatose."

Rin's eyes flit back to you, and… she still looks confused. "Taiga? Wait, who's BB?"

"Your servant has kidnapped Taiga, are you saying this isn't your doing?" you ask.
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... Tsun-tsuns are gonna tsun apparently.
Erien said:
Rin recoils, taking several steps back. "You were…"

"Yes." BB replies, teleporting behind Rin and leaning close to her ear.

Rin yelps and leaps forward, spinning around to face the grinning BB.

"You asked me so many questions when you found I could respond, but you never questioned that. Too stupid to realize that little niggling voice suggesting you seek the aid of that Church NPC wasn't your own in your dreams, too stupid to realize that Shirou hasn't been hunting you." BB laughs, and she laughs hard and ugly, hands wrapping around her stomach as pure joy erupts from her. "You thought I was some form of 'assistant'! You're stupid in every universe."
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Yeah, O-G BB was a real piece of work. The Protagonist just happened to be a thing she had a shred of affection for.
Erien said:
The laughter ceases like someone flipped a switch, and BB looks at Fujimaru with a perfectly flat expression. No, that wasn't entirely true, her mouth showed nothing, her eyes showed everything. Pure, raw, disgust. "Master master master… I simply came along so I could meet the original 'me', and frankly, I'm disappointed. Aren't I due some recompense for that, and besides." Her eyes flit to Rin, and the smile returns. "An opportunity to torture Tohsaka… why that's just too good to give up."
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Well then. It's a bit of a stretch, but I guess this qualifies. BB? Remember what I promised you?

Next update, if the vote goes through and doesn't suffer Write-In-Confusion, it's coming.

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are
 
I realize now that BB literally just said that she was a servant and Tohsaka's at that she appeared just like Madea and Mordred appeared when Shirou summoned just moved a massive distance away from Shirou who just turned his head away from her to Rin. This much deduction and implied deception might be beyond Shiro but.

[X] Look up at BB then look back to Rin walk up to Rin and lean to her ear.
-[X] Tell Rin to use her Command seals to get BB to return Taiga from she took her from whole and unharmed.
 
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Eh, this isn't really about Rin anymore. I'm all for slapping B.B upside the head

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are

Also, you said we're nearing the end of the Fuyuki arc. Does this mean the story is continuing past the holy grail war?
 
Videogamer921 said:
Eh, this isn't really about Rin anymore. I'm all for slapping B.B upside the head

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are

Also, you said we're nearing the end of the Fuyuki arc. Does this mean the story is continuing past the holy grail war?
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A great holy grail war is about to happen. Sauron.
 
Degorium said:
I realize now that BB literally just said that she was a servant and Tohsaka's at that she appeared just like Madea and Mordred appeared when Shirou summoned just moved a massive distance away from Shirou who just turned his head away from her to Rin. This much deduction and implied deception might be beyond Shiro but.

[X] Look up at BB then look back to Rin walk up to Rin and lean to her ear.
-[X] Tell Rin to use her Command seals to get BB to return Taiga from she took her from whole and unharmed.
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Oh shit, you're right. Approval voting.

[X] Look up at BB then look back to Rin walk up to Rin and lean to her ear.
-[X] Tell Rin to use her Command seals to get BB to return Taiga from she took her from whole and unharmed.

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are
 
[X] Look up at BB then look back to Rin walk up to Rin and lean to her ear.
-[X] Tell Rin to use her Command seals to get BB to return Taiga from she took her from whole and unharmed.

[X] Command seal to summon Mordred
-[X] Ask Fujimaru what BB's weaknesses are
 
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