[X] [Go after Rin]

Rin has moved herself firmly into the enemy slot, and I honestly prefer she die at this point. I really don't mind if Raiga kills her even if we talk this all out. But gotta save Taiga, and I just don't think Raiga can. I think he does have a way to kill Rin, but killing her doesn't get Taiga back. If anything it probably just lets BB run wild, and that'd just be an extra layer to this cluster fuck we don't need right now.
 
That would be just stupid at this point tho. Would only add unnecessary angst and nothing else.
Either they kill her before Shirou arrives, or they don't.
Because if this happens, I can honestly see Caster or someone else killing Raiga or at least his men because all the trouble would have been for nothing. In this scenario, Rin's death won't promptly eliminate an angry Saber Alter or BB. It won't solve anything.
I'm not saying Rin should get away with being stupid and careless, mind you.
Just that her death would cause more problems to everyone involved. And ultimately break Sakura's heart and definitely hurt Taiga and Ayako, and Shirou himself.
The main point behind all this is to fulfill the deal that gives us Taiga back

I can see Shirou wanting to save Rin, if only by taking her out as a Threat by terminating Artoria and BB

But I think Rin has been doomed the moment BB captured Taiga, because it became very personal for Raiga

Rin dying will totally affect Ayako and Taiga, but seeing that it was Raiga who pushed for it, very likely they will put all the blame on him.

Neither of our Servants would care for what is going on, and even EMIYA may not begrudge Shirou much, seeing he was more than okay betraying RIn in UBW, and both Sakura and Taiga are at stake

And Sakura will be affected, but I don't think it would be too painful for her. After all, Rin was more than okay not seeing Sakura as her sister, not even asking how she was doing with the Matous.

But certainly this whole thing is going to weight Shirou down. Just like Shinji.
 
The main point behind all this is to fulfill the deal that gives us Taiga back

I can see Shirou wanting to save Rin, if only by taking her out as a Threat by terminating Artoria and BB

But I think Rin has been doomed the moment BB captured Taiga, because it became very personal for Raiga

Rin dying will totally affect Ayako and Taiga, but seeing that it was Raiga who pushed for it, very likely they will put all the blame on him.

Neither of our Servants would care for what is going on, and even EMIYA may not begrudge Shirou much, seeing he was more than okay betraying RIn in UBW, and both Sakura and Taiga are at stake

And Sakura will be affected, but I don't think it would be too painful for her. After all, Rin was more than okay not seeing Sakura as her sister, not even asking how she was doing with the Matous.

But certainly this whole thing is going to weight Shirou down. Just like Shinji.

There are many ways to punish Rin without killing her. Some worse than death for a Magus.

I'm relatively fine with her dying if Raiga gets to her first, or because during the talk Shirou deems it the best choice, hell, even BB Killing her for whatever reason.

But if it's the scenario you imagined, with Taiga saved, Rin and Shirou being relatively cool with each other, killing Rin would just make Salter not give a damn and go out with a blaze, causing more death in the process or Go to Kirei, which is arguably worse, and Let BB on the loose, which is even worse. Ritsuka would know, and I doubt she won't tell Shirou.

Ugh...I guess I just want for something to actually go for the better. We already have a Monster, Kirei, Angry Matthew, BB and fricking Sauron (granted, Shirou does not know). We need all the help we can get, and Shirou or Raiga killing a potential good ally doesn't really help with that in the long run.
Besides, Shirou would help Rin if he saw her willing to be better.
That's the difference between her and Shinji: Shinji doesn't try to be better, and does not care of the pain and death he causes. Rin, who IS a good person at heart, does and we as readers know, because of interludes, that she already regrets doing what she did both directly and indirectly. I genuinely think it would be more interesting to let her live and try to redeem herself.
And, funnily enough, She's right now in a similar (yet so very different) position to Sakura:
-She lost her home
-She has basically been abandoned by everyone
-Her only parental figure only ever brings more pain to her
-Causes Saber to go Alter
-Indirectly Causes innocent death
-Kidnaps Shirou's Sister (Illya in Sakura's case).
It would also be fun for it to be Sakura herself to insist on helping Rin, should she get better soon, just to show that she is the Stronger and Better person.

Tl;dr killing Rin off is edgy AF, let her live to pay for her sins. Make Fuyuki Great Again, because what's happening in London will bite us in the butt.
 
I haven't ever written this as edgy... have I?
Not more than regular Stay Night IMO, which is a dark fantasy, and within that definitely not reaching the despair highs of like Heaven's Feel.

Maybe I could understand feeling that with thinking of Rin as the same as she was through that VN, but here, nah. Rin has made poor choices. She feels like she serves a similar role in the story as Shinji does in the early Stay Night routes.
 
I haven't ever written this as edgy... have I?
Kinda? I mean, the Fic itself is called Clusterfuck, so some edge is expected.
And it's still Fate here as was pointed out.
I guess I'm just being a whiny bi*ch because Rin is My Favourite in SN after Medusa (no chance for this to go her route anymore I guess) and Saber.
And I just don't like killing characters when they can still be saved or at least punished in a more fulfilling and punishing way.

Rin has made poor choices. She feels like she serves a similar role in the story as Shinji does in the early Stay Night routes.

Rin made bad choices because fate (us) dealt her a bad hand, and She is an actually good person, unlike Shinji, and she already regrets what she did, unlike Shinji.
Therefore while Shinji could not be saved, there is still hope for Rin.
 
Kinda? I mean, the Fic itself is called Clusterfuck, so some edge is expected.
And it's still Fate here as was pointed out.
I guess I'm just being a whiny bi*ch because Rin is My Favourite in SN after Medusa
Sadly no rider route to fit in this story, though she's actually my favorite character of the game myself. But yeah, no, Rin can still be saved. I'm not writing grimderp.
 
Sadly no rider route to fit in this story, though she's actually my favorite character of the game myself. But yeah, no, Rin can still be saved. I'm not writing grimderp.
Ah, a Fellow Snek enjoyer insert chad face.
Of course, especially this far into the story, it's better to cultivate what we already have. I love the conflict between Medea and Ayako especially.
And Mordred. She needs some hugs.
Whining aside, I really like how you portray Rin and how she deals with her situation. It shows how fragile (?) she actually is and in turn how strong Sakura is.
Talking of her, She really reminds me of the Song Ijizakura from Like a Dragon: Isshin
 
Ah, a Fellow Snek enjoyer insert chad face.
Of course, especially this far into the story, it's better to cultivate what we already have. I love the conflict between Medea and Ayako especially.
And Mordred. She needs some hugs.
Whining aside, I really like how you portray Rin and how she deals with her situation. It shows how fragile (?) she actually is and in turn how strong Sakura is.
Talking of her, She really reminds me of the Song Ijizakura from Like a Dragon: Isshin
I plan on writing several 'what-ifs' for this story that'll probably go on the patreon. Just a summary of events for a Rider/Illya focused route, a Taiga route, and a secret route ya'll dodged.
 
[X] [Go after Rin]

Mostly just because I feel like it would be hard to face Taiga later if we weren't involved in her rescue and just handed it off to even someone so invested.
 
Rin made bad choices because fate (us) dealt her a bad hand, and She is an actually good person, unlike Shinji, and she already regrets what she did, unlike Shinji.
Therefore while Shinji could not be saved, there is still hope for Rin.
Regret does not alone a good person make, she has to actually do good with it. We'll have to see how it plays out with Rin. I could both see this being the turning point for her OR another opportunity where she just doubles down for pride.

At the start of Fate, I sort of see Rin as someone who, deep-down, wants to do good, but, in reality, ends up falling into the behaviors of a stereotypical magus. She needs either an excuse or a push from someone else to do good. I think this story gets this really well. If getting close to some guy for 2 weeks is the difference between her killing people and not killing people, I'm not sure if I can think of her as a good person either way, not unless she still finds the steps to rectify her behavior and do good.

Like you could actually say Shinji was also dealt a bad hand by fate with his childhood, growing up in an environment that rewarded exploiting and harming others. I believe there's versions of Shinji that are good people out there. I think UBW's ending actually intends for him to mellow out in the future; in that route of the story, Rin gives him his turning point. Is he ever a better person than Rin in the stories we get, not really heh. But still, it just feels funny to morally hold Shinji to his actions within the story, but not Rin.

I'm sort of down for either way this story goes for her, I just want Shirou to see it in person.
 
Regret does not alone a good person make, she has to actually do good with it. We'll have to see how it plays out with Rin. I could both see this being the turning point for her OR another opportunity where she just doubles down for pride.

At the start of Fate, I sort of see Rin as someone who, deep-down, wants to do good, but, in reality, ends up falling into the behaviors of a stereotypical magus. She needs either an excuse or a push from someone else to do good. I think this story gets this really well. If getting close to some guy for 2 weeks is the difference between her killing people and not killing people, I'm not sure if I can think of her as a good person either way, not unless she still finds the steps to rectify her behavior and do good.

Like you could actually say Shinji was also dealt a bad hand by fate with his childhood, growing up in an environment that rewarded exploiting and harming others. I believe there's versions of Shinji that are good people out there. I think UBW's ending actually intends for him to mellow out in the future; in that route of the story, Rin gives him his turning point. Is he ever a better person than Rin in the stories we get, not really heh. But still, it just feels funny to morally hold Shinji to his actions within the story, but not Rin.

I'm sort of down for either way this story goes for her, I just want Shirou to see it in person.
Shinji goes out of his way to liquidate a high school of students. Rin accidentally not out of malice but lets her servant go wild kills a couple of people and feels horrific about it and immediately regrets it. Shinji is actively relishing killing a high school of people flat out he's just okay and happy to be doing it including both his "sister" and "best best friend".
 
Shinji goes out of his way to liquidate a high school of students. Rin accidentally not out of malice but lets her servant go wild kills a couple of people and feels horrific about it and immediately regrets it. Shinji is actively relishing killing a high school of people flat out he's just okay and happy to be doing it including both his "sister" and "best best friend".
I'm not comparing how bad they are, it wasn't relevant to my point. I'm also not saying Shinji isn't an awful person, his actions are horrendous in every route + this story and I didn't mean to imply that they weren't. Let's just leave it at that to not derail the thread.
 
Look,

I have people discussing the pros and cons of killing one of the most popular visual novel characters ever made. This is genuinely a high point for me.
 
[X] [Go after The Monster]

I kinda feel that the "always ignore Rin, lol" thing that was almost kind of memey came back to bite a lot of people in the ass when it ended up sending her down a bad path - granted if not her it was going to be someone else like Sakura or Illya, let's not kid ourselves - but it feels a little late to be trying to make amends now, at least in my opinion. I can see based off the vote that I'm in the minority here it seems.

Even Shirou himself would only be going because Taiga is at risk here. I'm not trying to downplay that. I just don't think it's going to result in the kind of turnaround that people might be wishing for here.
 
[X] [Go after The Monster]

I kinda feel that the "always ignore Rin, lol" thing that was almost kind of memey came back to bite a lot of people in the ass when it ended up sending her down a bad path - granted if not her it was going to be someone else like Sakura or Illya, let's not kid ourselves - but it feels a little late to be trying to make amends now, at least in my opinion. I can see based off the vote that I'm in the minority here it seems.

Even Shirou himself would only be going because Taiga is at risk here. I'm not trying to downplay that. I just don't think it's going to result in the kind of turnaround that people might be wishing for here.
Honestly, i think at least half of the Rin votes (Myself included) is more because of saving Taiga than saving Rin.
If Taiga was in another place and the choice was between rescuing Taiga or saving Rin from Raiga, im pretty sure rescuing Taiga would win by a large margin.
 
[X] [Go after Rin]

Both are bad choices but Killing Taiga leads to Emiya Alter. Leaving her isn't killing her but it's close enough to shatter Shirou.
 
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