Distant Stars. (a WH40K/Xianxia civ Quest).

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If we can reincarnate cultivators, that we should definitely do, not so sure about the other Keku.

I suspect giving a second life to everyone is going to be damaging, people will have a lot of children who are not their own from their perspective, old blood will be able to gather power and keep it through reincarnations, this could stall society from changing and more.

So I think cultivators should be sent back (which increases their religious image as god chosen), the rest should be kept in an afterlife.

I think I saw once a fanfic where the emperor was basically a fusion of all of dead humanity to explain his strength, how a bunch of ancient shamans could make such a godlike being, basically a living afterlife to protect humanity from chaos, so maybe we can pull something similar, possibly a new daughter/son who is the manifestation of the dead Keku, another member to our pantheon, who's soul grow larger as every dead Keku join him.
eh, if memories were regained on adulthood then you're basically both persons/both collections of memories, depending on the emotional attachment to the first set of memories.

the problem of keeping property through reincarnations can be dealt with through appropriate laws. If anything the fact that in your next life you might be reborn into either a poor or a wealthy family might be a strong incentive towards more equality due to, well, the fear you'll reincarnate in a poor family.

You can't do that if there's no poors!

I vaguely remember a quest with a post-apocalypse humanity where through magic they basically create an afterlife where people are free to stay OR free to reincarnate. The afterlife is basically a "peaceful" life without much change or suffering or any real novel experience.

Basically it started with the group believing (and creating) an afterlife, then they met another group that believed (and made real) reincarnation (with their leader reincarnating and recovering their memory on adulthood, so to always have new experiences to form his next life's perspective), and then they basically joined and adopted both customs and afterlife systems.


oh, and there was also some island population where instead the afterlife was basically a continuation of their caste system, so the poors had an eternity of servitude and the wealthy an eternity of bliss, and when the two polities came to war one afterlife actually invaded the other.
 
The new goddess will manage to claim many Keku souls (not all but many) most of those are going to be returned to reincarnate after she skims a little energy of the top, they'll be reincarnated without their memories (this is the natural course for souls that aren't eaten by demons) Edit:She could spend a massive amount of power to resurrect someone but she'll need more experience for that.

Some of the more sturdy (and faithful) souls will be left within her domain, for her to draw some passive power from and very, very few will be used to create her own deva/demons.
 
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The new goddess will manage to claim many Keku souls (not all but many) most of those are going to be returned to reincarnate after she skims a little energy of the top, they'll be reincarnated without their memories (this is the natural course for souls that aren't eaten by demons).

Some of the more sturdy (and faithful) souls will be left within her domain, for her to draw some passive power from and very, very few will be used to create her own deva/demons.

is it possible to recover those memories? maybe through a pill or rune scheme?

if Cultivators could reincarnate with their knowledge they could likely grow back to their former power much faster, and with far better odds against the tribulation.

would using the souls to create deva/demons be a punishment or a reward?

also could we grow the share of keku souls she can claim by taking that other insight that reduces the claim the Lord of War has on the Keku?
 
is it possible to recover those memories? maybe through a pill or rune scheme?
No, or at least not after reincarnation as the soul sheds its past, you'll need to make something that strengthens the soul before they die (and a few other things).
would using the souls to create deva/demons be a punishment or a reward?
Reward, it's the kind of thing that's given to the most faithful as you want them as loyal as you can get.

also could we grow the share of keku souls she can claim by taking that other insight that reduces the claim the Lord of War has on the Keku?
It won't affect things by that much as she is currently more limited by power and attention required to go claim all the ones she could.

That will change in time.
 
Cam we eventually make an emperor of man like grandchild/new child from the reincarnation process, like how the shamans did.
 
No, honestly I have no idea how the shammens managed to do it, no way it can be that easy to create a being that can contest the 4 chaos gods.

the ritual to awaken Yenned used who knows how many eldar souls to awaken her, this ritual has been done by some of the best sorcerers this side of the warp and has probably been supported by various other rituals of the many many years the eldar have been working to awaken Yenned and all they got was a god that could constant one of the chaos gods (admittedly the ritual was interrupted but even complete Yenned wouldn't have been able to contest all four of the chaos gods).
 
No, honestly I have no idea how the shammens managed to do it, no way it can be that easy to create a being that can contest the 4 chaos gods.

the ritual to awaken Yenned used who knows how many eldar souls to awaken her, this ritual has been done by some of the best sorcerers this side of the warp and has probably been supported by various other rituals of the many many years the eldar have been working to awaken Yenned and all they got was a god that could constant one of the chaos gods (admittedly the ritual was interrupted but even complete Yenned wouldn't have been able to contest all four of the chaos gods).
Best theory I saw is that the emperor is the human afterlife, the shamans started died for being eaten by demons, so they made an "afterlife" for humans to join to.

Which is why the emperor is so powerful by 30k, he had been absorbing every human soul for nearly 40k years, also why his personality change from time to time, and this is somewhat backed by the emperor summoning ghosts of dead soldiers to fight chaos in the palace.

The Eldar did a similar thing, grabbing every Eldar soul and hooking into one being, only theirs was a god and thus the process was significantly slower, or maybe they were wary of slannash eating the god while it was weak, so were waiting until it is strong to truly bring him to life.

There is no real way the shamans merely fusing could have made something like the emperor, unless a lot of them were Alpha+ psykers, which seems highly doubtful and dangerous.
 
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A (smaller) part of it could also be that Emps is in the material while chaos is in the warp, the power that's wasted growing from warp to material and their diffuse nature could be tilting things more heavily on emps side
 
A (smaller) part of it could also be that Emps is in the material while chaos is in the warp, the power that's wasted growing from warp to material and their diffuse nature could be tilting things more heavily on emps side
Emp also isn't spreading himself out granting blessings and creating demons.
 
Sky piller.
Alright here the actual last insights, no moratorium this time, after this were going straight for your tribulation.

Sky. choose 1.

[] "Even for the keku the sky is out of reach, no matter how far they fly, they can never reach it embody this yearning and forever strive for the sky beyond your reach" unshackle your skills from mortal limits and allow them to reach a level beyond the perfected rank (note: this insight dos nothing about the learning rate for such skills.

[] "The sky is vast and unfathomable, align your nature and in its vastness obscure the truth" your power becomes harder to estimate/discover by supernatural power.

[] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.

This and unshackle both seem really good, but I think it's more important to avoid sources of heart devils going into the apocalypse.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.

This and unshackle both seem really good, but I think it's more important to avoid sources of heart devils going into the apocalypse.
I think we should definitely come back to sky pillar, those insights are all kind of Jeet, after the apocalypse it would be great.

As for skills, I struggle between emotional tempering and making our power harder to estimate, after all, this is how we beaten demons already, but secrecy is a power that quickly lose it's advantage as you are forced to use your power.

[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.

The insight I like the least here to be honest, I really want the first one, but this one is the most important to the apocalypse in my opinion, and the most likely to improve our odds at the tribulation.
 
unshakles skills seems like a long-term thing that lets us do supernatural feats, which we already have a few of. Tempting, but with the apocalypse, I don't think we can make use of it.

Hiding our power seems very useful for when the chaos gods start being a problem, but not that useful for now, our enemies underestimating us seems less useful in a war (unless it applies to the entire empire)

This option seems the best for avoiding trouble until/during the apocalypse.

[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
I think we should definitely come back to sky pillar, those insights are all kind of Jeet, after the apocalypse it would be great.

As for skills, I struggle between emotional tempering and making our power harder to estimate, after all, this is how we beaten demons already, but secrecy is a power that quickly lose it's advantage as you are forced to use your power.

[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.

The insight I like the least here to be honest, I really want the first one, but this one is the most important to the apocalypse in my opinion, and the most likely to improve our odds at the tribulation.

fair point about the tribulation.

and yeah, there's plenty of insights we'd want to come back for anyway. once we're FAR wealthier we'd want to consider the 100k wealth sacrifice, for example. and as we have no skill at Perfected yet, there's no real point in taking that insight yet anyway.

We'll also want that other insight about removing the claim on the Keku's souls from the lord of war, and plenty more.

[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.


I'm a bit tempted by the "power hard to estimate", but I suppose it's not that useful right now.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
[X] "The blue skies represent hope above all, they give us a sense of wonder and beauty unmatched, they give us our dreams and motivations, look to the sky and forget your earthly concerns" become resistant to supernatural emotion tempering.
 
Battle simulation.
I was reading a few posts about the army of the empire and how they compare to the cultivators, and really wanted to write something about that (This quest has given me endless ideas, I'm only held back by common sense, and lack of 40k knowledge). I eventually figured out how to fit it the best in the current side-story/progress flow, still mostly focused on the army and its power, despite the pov. Did my best without knowing the power of 1st step stages and tier 5 artillery.

Dozens of artillerymen were preparing the mortars, piles of the new munitions lying around by the hundreds. Rather than the duds they used for training, these were simply normal shells, modified to have lower yields, just enough to not heavily wound the cultivator they were facing. This would, of course, tax the old stockpile, but with new and improved versions being rolled out in the near future, this was the perfect moment to use them and maximize what they got in return.

It wasn't often that cultivators would participate in battle simulations, every few months a regiment would be lucky enough to face threats seemingly supernatural, to stress their weapons and strategies against an unbreakable wall. Yet, there were always a few more of them, as they weren't strong enough individually to take on an entire regiment of artillery and infantrymen. This time, however, they were facing a single individual. It wasn't a second or third step, thank the Emperor, but the simple fact that they trusted this one individual's power enough to send him alone? None of the soldiers present had any doubts, they were about to face a monster.



Vekatu was doubting his intelligence at this very moment. His intention when volunteering for a battle simulation was to put his body to the test, see exactly how much stronger than the average first step cultivator his heaven body made him, and perhaps gain an epiphany through hardship.

But now, sitting in a meditative position on the grass field, as he watched the sky get darkened by the volleys of shells rising from beyond the hills? Maybe he had made a mistake.

He was in no hurry, deciding to wait until the shells were halfway in their path before starting. That proved to be a wrong move.

He thought that he had managed to track each projectile, the black outside of the shells clearly visible on the gray sky, but out of nowhere, an explosion occurred a mere meter to his right, throwing him a few meters away, skidding on the ground. He was mostly fine, with the exception of his tattered sleeves. If the shells hadn't been modified before this, he would have been full of shrapnel, but his body was more than strong enough to sustain this level of punishment.

Scanning the surroundings, tracking each shell and explosion, Vekatu instantly noticed the problem: there were more explosions than shells. That could only mean one thing, that they painted a few of the shells grey, letting them blend into the background. Smart, yet that would be useless against stronger cultivators.

His initial plan of dodging through the explosions now useless, Verkatu proceeded with his second plan: going outside the volley area and flanking them. They knew where he would start from, so they first concentrated fire in that area, before slowly increasing the size of the volley, lowering the density, and dragging it towards their location, trying to track his approximate path.

Verkatu ran many times faster than any keku could, the only reason he didn't fly was to keep the game fair. Perhaps they still underestimated his speed, as he quickly approached the edge of the volley, noticing a new problem. They expected him to try and flank them, so the edges parallel to the direct path towards them were reinforced, explosions ringing constantly there. Perhaps that's why he had a relatively easy time not getting his until then, they weren't trying to win in this phase, merely keep him from flanking.

Vekatu kept on running right on the edge of the reinforced volley area, vying for a time when the area of attack got large enough that an opening would appear. The explosions were taking a toll on him, draining his stamina, ruining his hearing, and making him cough from all of the dust in the air, forcing him to rip a piece of cloth from his tattered shirt to use as a mask. Hopefully, his ears would heal soon after he was done, if he had to deal with deafness for more than a few days perhaps this experiment wasn't worth it…

There was blood on his mask. That… wasn't supposed to happen, the explosions weren't strong enough to cause him internal injuries, not after this few of them.

Panicked, Vekatu looked around, trying to notice if he had missed anything, if he had perhaps walked into a trap without noticing. There was nothing, except… unexploded shells. Suspecting they had something to do with his condition, Vekatu picked one up as he ran past it. It looked normal, except much lighter, and with a hole in its side, which suggested something that scared him. They were using poison, weakening his body just enough that, combined with the explosions he would take actual damage.

Jumping up as hard as he could, his strengthened body letting him almost see past the hill straight into the 'enemy' camp, Vekatu hoped he managed to escape the poison cloud as he took a deep breath of air, then descended. This would affect his stamina heavily, yet it was much better than falling unconscious in the middle of artillery fire. Really? Poison? Who thought that this was safe?

He was approaching a forest, and about to have to climb a hill, both of which, combined with his current status and the explosions would only lead to his loss. This was his last chance to leave the volley zone.

Rushing again to the right side, breath still held in his powerful lungs, Verkatu kept his eyes on the sky, looking at each and every shell that was heading toward the edge. A hundred meters, fifty, twenty… that's when an opportunity arose. A few of the projectiles had clumped together, heading toward the same spot, yet leaving a giant opening at the same time. Pushing all power in his legs, Verkatu dashed forward, making it right in time before the clump landed and a giant explosion propelled him away dozens of meters. Had he been just a second too late, even with his heaven body, Verkatu would have been incapacitated.

Taking a deep breath, then panicking before making sure the wind wasn't blowing towards him, and sighing in relief as it wasn't, Verkatu only rested for a minute before getting up and heading around the hill, now at a much lighter pace.

Arriving there in about a quarter of an hour, instead of a camp the only thing he was able to see was a cloud of smoke. Smart. Without a doubt, the terrain there was filled with landmines. The 'no flying' rule, however, was only meant for the first stage of the combat.

Pushing all of his power into his legs, Vekatu leaped up, spreading his wings and soaring above the smoke screen… only to see dozens of machine guns facing straight at him, opening fire and peppering him with low-caliber bullets, which hurt. A lot.

They knew that a cultivator's greatest strength was their agility, and one would logically try and flank the enemy, so instead of preventing that, they tricked him, and the wind blowing to the left would send all the shells slightly in that direction, making the right easier to escape, and clear to them that he would approach from that direction. The poison only reinforced that.

"Hold fire!" A voice rang throughout the entire camp, and fortunately for Verkatu, they listened.

Landing in the camp, he quickly met the origin of that voice, the commander of the regiment he faced, no doubt. With a frame larger than the average cultivator, even Verkatu felt a little intimidated by the man, before remembering the difference in both strength and status that was between them.

"You won… that was unexpected." Verkatu spoke to the man, trying to be polite, yet accidentally throwing something that could be understood as a backhanded compliment.

The commander either decided to ignore the unintentional meaning or didn't understand it, luckily for him. "Perhaps a less experienced leader would have lost… you're stronger than the others I've faced, individually, yet you're one person, while I have hundreds of well-equipped men at my disposal. Not to talk about strategic genius…" The commander smiled at him. "Now! Let's not waste time! Men, clean the mortars, prepare the shells! The next combat simulation starts in two hours! After that, we can have a break for the day!" He yelled the orders, receiving yells of approval back.

"Wait… there's multiple of these? Are there… other cultivators coming, or…?" Verkatu began asking the commander, now sure of his mistake in volunteering.

The only thing he received in return from him, however, was a devious smile, before the commander turned back and headed towards the camp. Verkatu could almost swear he heard him mutter something about 'morale'.
 
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It won't affect things by that much as she is currently more limited by power and attention required to go claim all the ones she could.
Would a more suited god like a god of Death, Life, Souls or Keku have a better ratio of effort to souls? I imagine making such a god will be harder without convenient Insight, but still.
No, honestly I have no idea how the shammens managed to do it, no way it can be that easy to create a being that can contest the 4 chaos gods.
So, there are a couple factors there. One of the most important is time. The Emperor was powerful from birth, sure, but Psykers that survive tend to grow more powerful over time, so he already had a fair amount of growth under his belt when the Age of Strife popped off. Probably more than a modern psyker given the same amount of time would have, simply because the Empyrean was fundamentally less dangerous than the Warp. Then there's the aforementioned materiality and human afterlife thing others have mentioned.

Then come the fact that, for the vast majority of his time, he was, unlike the Chaos gods, able to focus and plan, and the fact that he couldn't actually contest the 4. The 4 spend the vast majority of their time fighting each other with their incursions into the materium being limited by both their split attention and the Veil. By the time of 40k, he's been glutted on ten thousand years of worship by, at minimum, quadrillions of humans, the souls of more than three and a half billion of the most powerful human psykers ritually sacrificed to him, plus however many souls he managed to grab outside of that.

And even then, he's only really a match for any of the Chaos Gods individually, it's just that they almost never work together, or even fully focus on one thing, and he intentionally cultivated type advantage to help even things out.
the ritual to awaken Yenned used who knows how many eldar souls to awaken her, this ritual has been done by some of the best sorcerers this side of the warp and has probably been supported by various other rituals of the many many years the eldar have been working to awaken Yenned and all they got was a god that could constant one of the chaos gods (admittedly the ritual was interrupted but even complete Yenned wouldn't have been able to contest all four of the chaos gods).
So, again, there are a couple confounding factors there. Primary among them is that Slaanesh is an Eldar God, and functionally an Eldar Death God, so she sort of had dibs on their souls and the domain, which made making a new god to counter her significantly more difficult.

Another issue was that they were working against prophecy. Even putting aside the theory that Slaanesh was created by hijacking the original prophecy of Ynnead's birth, the current prophecy of Ynnead had her only come into existence after the Eldar went fully extinct. A large portion of the issues Eldrad had in awakening her was that he was skipping one of the prerequisites.
 
I was reading a few posts about the army of the empire and how they compare to the cultivators, and really wanted to write something about that (This quest has given me endless ideas, I'm only held back by common sense, and lack of 40k knowledge). I eventually figured out how to fit it the best in the current side-story/progress flow, still mostly focused on the army and its power, despite the pov. Did my best without knowing the power of 1st step stages and tier 5 artillery.
Nice, nice a few things to note, no poison you currently posses would affect him so fast, someone with a heaven body would be fast enough and tough enough to either dodge the majority of the mass fire form machine guns or tank it for the few seconds it would take to close the distance (extra note: someone using an iron body pill would be immune to such low caliber bullets, even if they were a mortal).

Other than that, if artillery would be used against other Keku the preferred munition would indeed be air burst ones.

[] Boost Vakatu cultivation further bringing him to Divine body (the last stage of the first step).

[] Boost Vekatu base chance at tribulation from 5% to 20%

[] Choose one recipe you already posses and refine it
-[] which pill?

[] gain another grade 0 pill recipe.

[] Recruit a named artillery company with traditions against small but elite forces.

Named companies are special military units which possess unique bonus, you normally gain them when an army distinguish itself in combat, they can pass their traditions forward and so unless they are completely wiped out, they can be replenished without losing their bonuses.

Would a more suited god like a god of Death, Life, Souls or Keku have a better ratio of effort to souls? I imagine making such a god will be harder without convenient Insight, but still.
yes.

So, there are a couple factors there. One of the most important is time.
True, there is a good argument that the emperor isn't as strong as he is because of the shamans but because he's old and feasted on the worship of trillions.

All of your other points are great too.
 
Nice, nice a few things to note, no poison you currently posses would affect him so fast, someone with a heaven body would be fast enough and tough enough to either dodge the majority of the mass fire form machine guns or tank it for the few seconds it would take to close the distance
I'll justify that as him having already tanked a few explosions for a while, the first and most impactful because he underestimated them, the poison only really pushing him a little further, and mostly used for tanking his stamina, modified that part a little.
At the end he got hit due to them having prepared for him to show up right there, and him being surprised (plus injuries) , and lost because they all assumed that, with the previous damage, had they used real ammunition they would have won in a real combat situation. Altho I did assume that even the strongest bullets they had available couldn't have pierced his skin.

All together, he wouldn't have lost had he had some more battle experience, yet Vekatu had never faced an actual army, as far as I know. Inexperience was his greatest weakness.

The named company is very tempting, but something else is more tempting. Perfection.

[X] Boost Vakatu cultivation further bringing him to Divine body (the last stage of the first step).
 
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True, there is a good argument that the emperor isn't as strong as he is because of the shamans but because he's old and feasted on the worship of trillions.

All of your other points are great too.
mh... I wonder how long it will take us to catch up then. The Emperor basically had some 40k years of experience as a psyker. we're currently in the middle of our fifth century...

And of course we have no guarantee we'll be able to pass all tribulations. we SHOULD manage to reach the 4th one, but who knows about the following ones.

Still, as long as we don't die we can probably recover and try again, though we'll likely pay a heavy divine charge/lifespan tax to heal ourselves...
 
Still, as long as we don't die we can probably recover and try again, though we'll likely pay a heavy divine charge/lifespan tax to heal ourselves...
Even if we die, sooner or later we would probably find a way to keep our soul safe and than Kuvara can just bring us back, assuming the tribulation don't start attacking the soul, which they probably would either now or in the next one.
 
I'll go ahead and close the vote, your tribulation has been rolled for and now I only need to write it.
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