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Digimon Inheritance: A Heroic Lion's Turbulent Times (Finished)

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TempestK said:
But his situation would be one that would earn Verge's sympathy. It should be anyway. Chackmon has been acting as someone who believes that he's defending the world. He's not malicious, and in fact has been acting quite childish. So this should be bringing up memories of Flamemon.
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*Waggles giant bear paw+gauntlet*

Chackmon is a bit too murder happy to be a good comparison to Flamemon/Agnimon. It took something like Repulsa to drive them to willingly kill: Chackmon is perfectly willing to murder neutral parties (the Locomon). If he tried to talk us down or offered to let us surrender, then he would trigger Flamemon flashbacks. This honorless little shit whined about us damaging his weapon, asking what it had ever done to us. He begs for mercy he has never offered, something his compatriot Parrotmon used to set up a dishonorable attack.

That last is something of a sticking point, tbh. If things had gone differently there, I think I would probably be swayed to spare Chackmon here (probably would have voted kill first, then changed vote based on arguments)
 
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thamuzz said:
Chackmon is perfectly willing to murder neutral parties (the Locomon).
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See, we don't know who it was that killed the Locomon. It might have been Chackmon, but I honestly doubt it.
thamuzz said:
Plus, we've done the whole mercy kill thing before.
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Yeah, Fugamon. And we all know how that turned out. Kotemon out for our blood eternally, willing to go to any lengths to avenge his fallen master. If Chackmon doesn't have friends that are just as willing to focus on us to the exclusion of all else, I would be very surprised.
 
thamuzz said:
*Waggles giant bear paw+gauntlet*

Chackmon is a bit too murder happy to be a good comparison to Flamemon/Agunimon. It took something like Repulsa to drive them to willingly kill: Chackmon is perfectly willing to murder neutral parties (the Locomon). If he tried to talk us down or offered to let us surrender, then he would trigger Flamemon flashbacks. This little shit whined about us damaging his weapon, asking what it had ever done to us. He begs for mercy he has never offered, something his compatriot Parrotmon used to set up a dishonorable attack.

Plus, we've done the whole mercy kill thing before.
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That was against Parrotmon who was simply looking to take advantage of a possible opening, Parrotmon was full fighting capacity when he tried his trick, Chackmon is a broken wreck, his body is pulped, one of his arms is gone, he is suffering from Gale Claws corrosive effect, and his weapon Romeo is broken.

It's not even remotely the same situation.
 
The only way that sparing Chackmon could possibly backfire is if he escapes, which won't happen if we are the ones to guard him.

Chackmon's tricks won't work on us because we've seen them before and we are also all around stronger than him, plus we caught up with him when he tried to escape, even without Hasten Burst.
 
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Zwart Jaeger said:
The only way that sparing Chackmon could possibly backfire is if he escapes, which won't happen if we guard him.
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And frankly, even if he escapes, he'll carry the fact that we were willing to show mercy with him. It's kind of feeling like the whole "be a Hero" thing is something voters are only going to pursue when it's easy and convenient.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Mar 6, 2019 at 10:09 AM, finished with 140 posts and 24 votes.
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TempestK said:
And frankly, even if he escapes, he'll carry the fact that we were willing to show mercy with him.
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He won't be able to escape us even without us using Hasten Burst as seen here.
drexal15 said:
You leap free from the trench, mouth already uttering the first line of coding and charge at the Legendary Warrior on all fours. Without the use of his weapon, your opponent goes on the defensive darting back across the ground in an attempt to stay out of your reach. However, your limbs are a lot longer than his and despite his head start, you manage to catch up in three point-eight seconds.
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And we seen all his tricks and can withstand everything he throws at us, plus the only weapon that can reliably damage us is his Romeo which is broken.

There is literally no way he is going to escape on his own if Verge guards him.

The only problem again is MagnaDouche, and he might decide to interrogate Chackmon for information first.
 
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[X] Step aside, making Sparks's attack miss.
-[X] No Sparks. Remember Fugamon... and Dinohumon that came after.
-[X] We'll take him prisoner, as the leader of this Polar Defense Force he must know something...
 
You know, repeating the pitiful argument doesn't make it more true.
Chackmon is in a pitiful state after trying to murder us when we set up an easy target.

Boo hoo
The Polar Defense Force isn't even REAL ffs.
 
wingstrike96 said:
You know, repeating the pitiful argument doesn't make it more true.
Chackmon is in a pitiful state after trying to murder us when we set up an easy target.

Boo hoo
The Polar Defense Force isn't even REAL ffs.
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There has been multiple arguments to spare him and try to use him as leverage which is actually pragmatic here, killing him gets us a power boost if Verge even decides to load him and little else.
 
So, having reread our interactions with Chackmon and the discussion: I have no sympathy for him, and find the comparison between him and Flamemon even less valid than I did before.
Chackmon is not defending anyone: he is part of the spearhead of an unprovoked attack.
Chackmon has made no effort to seek peace, nor has he offered to allow defeated foes to surrender.
Chackmon has demonstrated regret at not being able to finish off a weaker, injured foe.

Chackmon isn't a protecting hero: he's a muderous, possibly delusional, definitely morally myopic, bully.

GwaedDraig said:
There has been multiple arguments to spare him and try to use him as leverage which is actually pragmatic here, killing him gets us a power boost if Verge even decides to load him and little else.
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Those hinge on him being a leader. Chackmon are apparently psychologically poorly suited to leadership.
 
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Also, has anyone given any serious thought as to why Chackmon is calling The Host corruptors?
 
thamuzz said:
So, having reread our interactions with Chackmon and the discussion: I have no sympathy for him, and find the comparison between him and Flamemon even less valid than I did before.
Chackmon is not defending anyone: he is part of the spearhead of an unprovoked attack.
Chackmon has made no effort to seek peace, nor has he offered to allow defeated foes to surrender.
Chackmon has demonstrated regret at not being able to finish off a weaker, injured foe.

Chackmon isn't a protecting hero: he's a murderous, possibly delusional, definitely morally myopic, bully.



Those hinge on him being a leader. Chackmon are apparently psychologically poorly suited to leadership.
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I agree that the subvote needs to be reworded, but that's not a reason to go and kill him when he can be used much more effectively than just as a powerboost.
 
I'm giving up on trying to convince people to flip their votes, it's become clear that people are too scared of the potential consequences to take the risk.
 
TempestK said:
Yeah. And it should be causing some serious fucking flashbacks for Verge.
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Why, and to what? To Fugamon? IIRC, Verge doesn't even know that he and Dinohumon are connected.
To Flamemon? When did Flamemon/Agnimon whimper and beg for mercy he never offered?

TempestK said:
Also, has anyone given any serious thought as to why Chackmon is calling The Host corruptors?
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Same reason he calls himself the champion of the Polar Defense Force.
Either delusion, or power fantasy. I'm guessing the latter.

TempestK said:
I'm giving up on trying to convince people to flip their votes, it's become clear that people are too scared of the potential consequences to take the risk.
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Comme ci comme ça. What sympathy I started with for Chackmon has been evaporating the more I think about it. Wrath and Desire for Power are currently guiding my vote.
 
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thamuzz said:
Either delusion, or power fantasy. I'm guessing the latter.
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Or maybe look at how the Host has been acting and radicalizing ever since the Big Three fell from an outside perspective. Now the Sefirot and all of the LWs are being called "false idols". Zealotry and aggression from the Host is on the rise. They're looking to try and influence more and more, take control of areas, and implement their teachings to all the young and impressionable mon they can find.
thamuzz said:
Why, and to what? To Fugamon? IIRC, Verge doesn't even know that he and Dinohumon are connected.
To Flamemon? When did Flamemon/Agnimon whimper and beg for mercy he never offered?
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To Verge himself, and the times he was at the mercy of someone, how he felt about not wanting to die. And yes, Verge has made the connection in-character that Dinohumon is related to Fugamon's death.
 
TempestK said:
Or maybe look at how the Host has been acting and radicalizing ever since the Big Three fell from an outside perspective. Now the Sefirot and all of the LWs are being called "false idols". Zealotry and aggression from the Host is on the rise. They're looking to try and influence more and more, take control of areas, and implement their teachings to all the young and impressionable mon they can find.
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Oh, I don't deny that the Host are turning into a bunch of pricks and that they can kiss Verge's colossal, fluffy, Ten-Worshiping butt, but given the PDF delusion/fantasy, I find it entirely reasonable that Chackmon has invented a narrative that lets him be the big hero in his own head.

TempestK said:
To Verge himself, and the times he was at the mercy of someone, how he felt about not wanting to die
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... I don't buy it. Chackmon was all bravado and confidence while trying to kill someone he though was weaker than himself. It was only when Chackmon's attack failed and his target was able to fight back that he started begging for mercy. That is not a scenario that Verge has ever experienced.

TempestK said:
And yes, Verge has made the connection in-character that Dinohumon is related to Fugamon's death.
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Fair enough.
 
thamuzz said:
Those hinge on him being a leader. Chackmon are apparently psychologically poorly suited to leadership.
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Not really, they more hinge on what he is. Since as a Legendary Warrior in a faction lead by one and who follows the faith, Chackmon would have a value just on his symbol alone. So he has great value, as that was one of the reasons why our current boss wanted him dead.

Because beyond being a powerful asset for the enemy, he was also a great moral boosters for the symbol he was.
 
Look guys we could always kill Chackmon if he attempts to escape, and he won't pose a threat to us without his missile launcher which is the only thing he posseses that could reliably hurt us, as the only thing strong and fast enough to land hits that punches through our hide.

Without his weapon he doesn't pose a threat to us and unless the Host decides to suddenly fix his weapon and leave it with him, Chackmon's escape attempts are doomed to fail if we guard him.

Plus that way if he decides to escape, we could kill him without remorse.
 
Inserted tally: I'll be locking things in 4-6 hours.
Adhoc vote count started by drexal15 on Mar 6, 2019 at 11:26 AM, finished with 155 posts and 25 votes.
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Zwart Jaeger said:
Look guys we could always kill Chackmon if he attempts to escape, and he won't pose a threat to us without his missile launcher which is the only thing he posseses that could reliably hurt us, as the only thing strong and fast enough to land hits that punches through our hide.

Without his weapon he doesn't pose a threat to us and unless the Host decides to suddenly fix his weapon and leave it with him, Chackmon's escape attempts are doomed to fail if we guard him.

Plus that way if he decides to escape, we could kill him without remorse.
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He tore our shit up last time in melee. If we didn't load the Chimeramon he'd have nearly killed us even with an ambush.

And we're the only Champion in our lot who can attack an Ultimate and expect to win.
thamuzz said:
So, having reread our interactions with Chackmon and the discussion: I have no sympathy for him, and find the comparison between him and Flamemon even less valid than I did before.
Chackmon is not defending anyone: he is part of the spearhead of an unprovoked attack.
Chackmon has made no effort to seek peace, nor has he offered to allow defeated foes to surrender.
Chackmon has demonstrated regret at not being able to finish off a weaker, injured foe.

Chackmon isn't a protecting hero: he's a muderous, possibly delusional, definitely morally myopic, bully.
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I find the comparison between him and Flamemon to be outright insulting, given that. Their only similarity is the source of their power.
 
wingstrike96 said:
He tore our shit up last time in melee. If we didn't load the Chimeramon he'd have nearly killed us even with an ambush.

And we're the only Champion in our lot who can attack an Ultimate and expect to win.

I find the comparison between him and Flamemon to be outright insulting, given that. Their only similarity is the source of their power.
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Then go for the vote that compares him to Fugamon or make a subvote that you feel would suit it more?
 
wingstrike96 said:
He tore our shit up last time in melee. If we didn't load the Chimeramon he'd have nearly killed us even with an ambush.

And we're the only Champion in our lot who can attack an Ultimate and expect to win.
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In case you haven't noticed were so much stronger than Chackmon now, in terms of Strength and Fortitude we have him beat, in term of Agility we caught up to him despite him having a head start, his only reliable weapon against us is kaput, in short he doesn't stand a chance against Verge.
wingstrike96 said:
I find the comparison between him and Flamemon to be outright insulting, given that. Their only similarity is the source of their power.
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Also were did you get the idea we were comparing him to Agnimon? The subvote is about asking what Agnimon would do, not that Chackmon is similar to Agnimon.
 
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Zwart Jaeger said:
Also were did you get the idea we were comparing him to Agnimon? The subvote is about asking what Agnimon would do, not thag Chackmon is similar to Agnimon.
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Knight-Radiant said:
A Legendary warrior stood up to fight for justice and was cut down, outnumbered and alone. Am I speaking of Chackmon or Agnimon? And remember, this is not just shaping Verge, Sparks needs our help so he doesn't become a monster like the Count.

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Also... the Hero died last time. But we get to choose how the story ends THIS TIME.
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Not the only post making the comparison. Also a lot of arguments that Chackmon is childlike due to the way he talks and acts, which I don't buy given the whole PDF delusion/fantasy/whatever it is.
 
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