drexal15
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I'll note that Red, Purple and Grey text are the three that come natural to Verge. It's the light purple and Bold that were introduced through artificial means.
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Digimon Inheritance: A Heroic Lion's Turbulent Times (Finished)
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I'd be willing to switch my vote to any with Ardat at third or below if we can coalesce on one of the options, I don't particularly care aside from Ardat not being high on the list.
Got it.
This my updated priority.
Purple, Red, and Grey good, Bold eh, and Purple bad until we find another way to reduce it.
Edit: Actually I've been wondering is the Dark Purple text affected by things other than it's actions... it's actually shown up a bit more recently and it appears to represent his intellectual side, a part of me wonders if it's what he draws on when he studies.
My main worry is that I just want to avoid the top two myself, though I would like Pit being somewhat high.
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Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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But she's not being productive, she's in terrible mental condition because her entire life has fallen apart. Even if this vote does somehow control the characters' actions, then we ought to control Ardat's actions so that she spends time with Verge and he can help her through this. There's not some magical side-activity she has available to herself that removes all of her inner anguish.
Just because those colors are "natural" doesn't mean they're always good. Dark purple is power-hungry above all else, red is berserk and remorseless, and grey is honor-obsessed. They can be good sometimes, but not always. I agree that Yiggy and Ardat's influences aren't both bad tho, yeah.
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Knight-Radiant
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While the "corruption" is something to keep an eye on, I feel like leaving Ardat alone is FAR more concerning as she is the SOURCE of the corruption.
In other words, it's entirely possible that letting Ardat get worse will actually increase the rate at which Verge accumulates corruption in the future.
In other words, it's entirely possible that letting Ardat get worse will actually increase the rate at which Verge accumulates corruption in the future.
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Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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I didn't even consider that but you make a very good point. It spread very slowly while Ardat was a champ, and it's sped up significantly after she dark digivolved. It could be just a matter of power, but considering lots of negative emotions seem to corrupt her bit by bit, it could very well also be affected by that.
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Remember, Verge doesn't just get it from spending time with her. Every time he does something counterintuitive to sate his base desires that also boosts the spread. So if Ardat gets a lot worse, then Verge will get majorly more corrupted every time he indulges himself.
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True enough for me it's more I want to restore more of Verge's own personality so much as I can as well as the fact that I don't seem them taking up large portions of text on mass yet.
However I will that if red shows up often in Verge's current form it probably mean that somethings going horrible wrong considering how much more control over it Verge currently has.
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[X][Studying Week 2] Slide Evolution: (If chosen again, will complete first level of Vertical Slide Evolution Training )
[X] Sparks
-[X] Ardat
--[X] Pit
---[X] Beat
[X] Sparks
-[X] Ardat
--[X] Pit
---[X] Beat
Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
Imma say something here and before I do I want to make something VERY clear. I am not pointing fingers, trying to attack anybody's character, yadda yadda yadda. I am stating an opinion formed on our recent interactions.
I feel like the threat of the "corruption" is getting MASSIVELY overblown lately.
I mean I do get it, anything that takes away agency from the character, and by extension the players, is something that most people avoid as a matter of course. That said, having it be such a large deciding factor feels OOC at best and Metagamey at worse; (Again, not pointing fingers here) since it's unlikely that Verge is consciously aware of the various influences at war within him, but further more he's had influences from the start of the game that are very much not natural and have not elicited such concern.
As for the effects of the corruption, for the most part they seem to make Verge more inclined to do what he (and by extension WE) WANTS to do rather then what he thinks he SHOULD do. Thing is, thats not really a BAD thing in and of itself. Verge has been self-sacrificing for a long time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with indulging a desire so long as it's done in moderation. Point me to a time Verge has carried his own desires TOO far in this quest.
The other effect seems to be increasing Verge's affection towards Ardat, letting him overcome minor annoyances and trauma induced biases in her case. Thing is, while being concerned about a "Charm" effect is reasonable we have yet to see Verge be affected to the point that it overrides his core character. That's my threshold for AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE, and frankly I do not feel like we're even close to that point.
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As for this vote. We have only ever been able to control Verge's actions with our voting choices. My take on this vote is how much priority we give each character when they come to spend time with us. Like, remember when Beat barged in to our conversation with Sparks? My take on the situation is if Beat hadn't been at #2 to Sparks's #3 we wouldn't have given him priority and continued the scene with Sparks. Likewise, I feel like putting Ardat so low on the priority WILL have a bad effect as it effectively isolates her since unlike everyone else she is kinda being shunned. And I think turning her away at this point is a bad move since she just her one hope at returning to a non hated form and maybe relearning her spells dashed. She is going to come looking for comfort no matter what vote wins. Whether or not she gets it is up to us.
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Dang this ended up longer than I wanted.
I feel like the threat of the "corruption" is getting MASSIVELY overblown lately.
I mean I do get it, anything that takes away agency from the character, and by extension the players, is something that most people avoid as a matter of course. That said, having it be such a large deciding factor feels OOC at best and Metagamey at worse; (Again, not pointing fingers here) since it's unlikely that Verge is consciously aware of the various influences at war within him, but further more he's had influences from the start of the game that are very much not natural and have not elicited such concern.
As for the effects of the corruption, for the most part they seem to make Verge more inclined to do what he (and by extension WE) WANTS to do rather then what he thinks he SHOULD do. Thing is, thats not really a BAD thing in and of itself. Verge has been self-sacrificing for a long time, there is absolutely nothing wrong with indulging a desire so long as it's done in moderation. Point me to a time Verge has carried his own desires TOO far in this quest.
The other effect seems to be increasing Verge's affection towards Ardat, letting him overcome minor annoyances and trauma induced biases in her case. Thing is, while being concerned about a "Charm" effect is reasonable we have yet to see Verge be affected to the point that it overrides his core character. That's my threshold for AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE, and frankly I do not feel like we're even close to that point.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As for this vote. We have only ever been able to control Verge's actions with our voting choices. My take on this vote is how much priority we give each character when they come to spend time with us. Like, remember when Beat barged in to our conversation with Sparks? My take on the situation is if Beat hadn't been at #2 to Sparks's #3 we wouldn't have given him priority and continued the scene with Sparks. Likewise, I feel like putting Ardat so low on the priority WILL have a bad effect as it effectively isolates her since unlike everyone else she is kinda being shunned. And I think turning her away at this point is a bad move since she just her one hope at returning to a non hated form and maybe relearning her spells dashed. She is going to come looking for comfort no matter what vote wins. Whether or not she gets it is up to us.
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Dang this ended up longer than I wanted.
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drexal15
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Yes, regular purple is where Verge gets his really good mental stuff. Like counting, ability to focus really darn well and it even helps a bit with learning Sorcery.
Do remember that at the start of the quest the trait that was chosen for Verge was Wrath. It shows up a lot since anger is a very large part of Verge's character.
It's also always going to be an integral part of his character. Even if he's gotten a lot better at controlling it.
The Grey text meanwhile encompasses Oaths, honor, loyalty even some martial pride. Which is why it overlaps with the Bold quite a bit. It flared up in a very specific way when Verge landed that punch on Wolfmon. As a note, if Verge had chosen Will as one of his main traits, the text I'd have used would be this grey.
Knight...Verge actually managed to feel the corruption this time, that's very much not something that's happened with the other influence in his being, and quit frankly the only other outside influence than the lust text that we know of is Yiggy who has had minimal impact. and only even happened shortly before we got our face melted off by Ardats attack.
If it's overriding core character traits it's already waaaaay to late to avoid it like the plague and it's not something we have a hard measure for, which was some of us want to avoid it now so we can take the risk later or even find a way to push it back. I don't want to avoid Ardat but I think the first two slots would give out way to much corruption at the moment, because I'm sure enough their will be other times when she needs us, and ones that perhaps even more important then this current one, because frankly the life of a Scion that's not pure evil sucks and I just know she'll need it just as much if not more than, and I'd rather our character not be an even bigger mess of issues than he is when that happens. If we can't take care of own head space we can't help someone else with theirs.
To be blunt I'm counting our blessings that she discovered this while we where in the immediate area to comfort her (Which we have done even, and probably for quite some time) and not in her probable cell when she'd actually be by herself and we'd be away on a mission. Heck I'd quick happily go up one from the minimum priority the current second place plan has her at because quite frankly I want to be able to help as much as we can without causing major damage, but I just don't think getting hit with more of it is at all a good idea at the moment.
Keep in by often I mean around the level light purple shows up when we get close to Ardat.
I'm pretty sure he'd have to be pretty darn angry at that point and I doubt he'll get to that level easily.
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We went from being terrified of Ardat and trying to kill her because she looked like Repulsa to thinking entire paragraphs about how pretty she is and how we want obey her and be her servant forever. I think that's a pretty huge difference. Also I agree that if we get to the point where that corruption is overriding key character traits, it's pretty much too late.
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Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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You're exaggerating somewhat; that wasn't all because of the corruption. In fact, all of it before Ardat scratched him was just her winning him over normally, by being friendly and charismatic. So, it's more like about half of it is the corruption. It's not like Verge would still hate her and find her disgusting if not for the brain taint.
...I don't suppose any of you guys that also voted for Ardat is a lower position would be willing to swap out for the current second place?
NMS's vote is literally the exact same thing despite being counted separately so only 2 of the five of you would need to change to tie and only 3 would to take it.
NMS's vote is literally the exact same thing despite being counted separately so only 2 of the five of you would need to change to tie and only 3 would to take it.
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Okay but the big point here is the paragraphs of thinking she's pretty when Verge has shown no interest in that sort of thing with any other mon and wanting to be her servant forever. That's way further than she could convince him to go naturally and is already way too far corrupted for my tastes. I think we need a break from her for a bit.
And I honestly think half is a little charitable, but that's beside the point.
And I honestly think half is a little charitable, but that's beside the point.
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I like to hope that him not hating her is at least something that came about naturally, once get that Verge's kind nature can handle the rest.
To be frank with this current situation I'm just voting the way I am because a combination our comforting of Ardat after the immediate revelation, the fact that fourth would hopefully mean we spend some time with her even if its not much, and some faith in Ardat herself gives me more hope that she'll be able to handle this than I do that second or above won't push it over the threshold..
Honestly this overall is just a hard vote for me.
Also I looked back at the three choices we had when we first went down the route the unlocked the Purple text.... and I think I figured out what Blue would have been.... specifically I think it would have represented his Kindness, Friendly nature, and Devotion.
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I mean, yeah don't get me wrong, I wanna be friends with Ardat, I just don't want to jump headfirst into the pit of lust corruption. If we're all screwed up with it, I don't think we'll be able to be what she needs anyway. I don't think we'll be able to call her out on stuff if we're too deep into thinking she's super great which I think would be pretty bad. We're kind of the only person who's willing to stop her from doing bad things in a non-violent way. Most everyone else would either just let her do it or put her down.
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Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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But he has, with Wolfmon
More seriously, yeah, the infatuation is very much due to the corruption, and the loyalty is... partially due to it.
And I don't recall him explicitly wanting to be her eternal servant, just him kind of subconsciously musing in that direction. Concerning for sure, but not as urgent.
Basically, it's about taking one for the team here. Either Verge comforts Ardat and takes a bit more corruption, or leaves her alone, she gets more fucked up, and she becomes more ruthless about abusing it in the future. It's a bet, wagering bits of Verge's soul on the notion that Ardat can, despite everything, be a good person if properly rehabilitated and supported. It's... well, it's rather heroic, isn't it?
To be blunt this entire vote boils down to weather or not we have more confidence in Ardats mental stability (Along with what aid we have given her in the prior update) or in Verges ability to handle the corruption without it becoming to big of a problem.
And now back to the smash codec omake I've been working on caus I need something to take my mind off of the mentality of juggeling flaming chainsaw!
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Pink Flamingo Cabal Grand Vizier
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We're in complete agreement there, yeah. Personally, part of why I think being there for Ardat now will do more good is that we're about to get sent on a mission as soon as we arrive in Alt City, and Ardat will be left behind for as long as that takes. I'm worried not just about leaving her alone to stew in her bad feelings now, but also for multiple days afterwards. And the longer that period is, the worse it could snowball. Thus, I think stabilizing her before we're separated is important.
In other news have snake codec call! I said I do it!
Snake: Colonial... there's some type of purple mole in here.
Colonial: That's Verge the drimogemon, a type of mole digimon with a cowardly nature.
Snake: Cowardly? He looks less cowardly and more like he's ready to rip somebody to shreds.
Colonial: The cowardice is used to refer to the species not Verge himself.
Snake: He's the exception then? Why is that?
Colonial: Some say it's due to the traumatic experience of home being destroyed, some say it's because he was some sort of lab experiment in a past life.... and yet say it's because he's just that angry.
Snake: So take your pick? Well either way I can't say I don't feel sorry for the poor guy, but this the battlefield.... is their anything I should worry about beyond those massive drills of his?
Colonial: Yes Verge has access to a ranged attack called Crusher Bone and has some experience using a magic known as high programing.
Snake: I'll have to that missing eye hurts his aim than.... I don't fancy my chances if get to close and he lands a direct hit with that drill of his.
Snake: Colonial... there's some type of purple mole in here.
Colonial: That's Verge the drimogemon, a type of mole digimon with a cowardly nature.
Snake: Cowardly? He looks less cowardly and more like he's ready to rip somebody to shreds.
Colonial: The cowardice is used to refer to the species not Verge himself.
Snake: He's the exception then? Why is that?
Colonial: Some say it's due to the traumatic experience of home being destroyed, some say it's because he was some sort of lab experiment in a past life.... and yet say it's because he's just that angry.
Snake: So take your pick? Well either way I can't say I don't feel sorry for the poor guy, but this the battlefield.... is their anything I should worry about beyond those massive drills of his?
Colonial: Yes Verge has access to a ranged attack called Crusher Bone and has some experience using a magic known as high programing.
Snake: I'll have to that missing eye hurts his aim than.... I don't fancy my chances if get to close and he lands a direct hit with that drill of his.
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drexal15
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Yes, yes it did.