Thebigpieman
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Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!
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So, demons are born from broken promises. Does that mean that demons try to make promises as often as possible with the intention of breaking them? Maybe in demon culture, if you want to actually promise to do something, you promise the opposite. Just stating an intention (without the word "promise" or "swear" or some synonym) would probably still count as a metaphysical promise, since resolutions apparently count.
Do demons have to eat? Because I imagine they'd probably feed on the Class 0 demons. Seems appropriate for a hellish ecosystem. And it also gives a good reason why they'd like the whole "rule by the strong" philosophy. When you spent your whole life eating those weaker than you, getting told that all life is worth protecting would be pretty absurd.
Do demons have to eat? Because I imagine they'd probably feed on the Class 0 demons. Seems appropriate for a hellish ecosystem. And it also gives a good reason why they'd like the whole "rule by the strong" philosophy. When you spent your whole life eating those weaker than you, getting told that all life is worth protecting would be pretty absurd.
A promise from a demon won't create another demon if broken.
Crystalwatcher
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Demons breaking promises cannot create more demons. Much like Angels praying can't create more angels. At the same time Demons praying can create Angels, while Angels breaking promises can create demons. This has done some really weird things to their respective cultures.
As for eating, it's actually a case by case basis. The more sentient the demon is, the more likely they need to eat, but most the time demons normally subsist off ambient magic. Most angels technically don't need to eat either, since they can subsist off ambient magic themselves, but they like to eat simply for the experience.
It's all weird since both species are created through magic.
What happens if a promise is broken, a demon is born, and then later the promise is un-broken? For instance, someone promises to return alive, dies, and then much later gets brought back to life?
Also, to what extent do angels and demons remain made of magic after birth? Would they be in grave danger when faced with an effect that gradually removes all ambient magic from an area (such as the Depletion Garden Reality Marble of Satsuki Yumizuka), or would such an effect just be able to starve them after a long time? What about an effect that temporarily negates the existence of magic in an area (temporarily make things similar to how Earth was before Gaia gained magic)?
Crystalwatcher
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The promise still remains broken. That initial break would still create a demon.
They remain mostly magic throughout their life. Some spend enough time in low-magic dimensions where their beings are steadily replaced with physical matter, but instances like those are rare. As for effects that remove ambient magic, that could starve them after a while. Your last question I'm not answering though.
Is such an effect even possible by means other than a magicless Divine Being exerting their sphere of influence?
If so, would something like this do it, or would it require something far more fancy?
Some Spell Name
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Base Damage: whatever
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Ability: World Sphere
Crystalwatcher
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Yes and something fancier. Note, I'm not following this discussion further.
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- madison
so, if angles are created via prayer, has anyone tried organizing mass prayer seasons to create powerful angles? like an entire elven army joining in prayer before a battle or something? Or mankind using modern communications and propaganda to get billions of people to pray at once?
You mean like geometry class?
Jokes aside, it's probably a matter of quality vs quantity. Our Gabriel was produced by just a dozen or so people, but they were A) children, and so probably extra pure or something, and B) in mortal danger. Just having more people might not be that effective. Though getting the elves to pray before/during battle sounds like a good idea.
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- madison
with a propaganda lead up you could likely get quite a few people to mean it pretty strongly. And it's not like the standard war angels are weak. Two of them in one spot means the mainline infantry of the dark can't deploy to their location. Even a few dozen would have meaningful impact.
Crystalwatcher
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The prayers involved have to have a personal weight to the ones praying (Like a mother praying for the health of her children, or a soldier praying for the strength to survive and return home). Otherwise the energy from the prayers don't have anything to focus themselves around.
What you're suggesting will, at most, create something akin to an Angelic Beast. Lots of power, but otherwise non-sapient. Angelic attacks dogs if you would.
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- madison
still useful, also would a general prayer for victory against the UD count? or failing that a mass prayer session asking for justice/vengeance for hope. A lot of people lost someone that day, all of them praying for justice at once would probably do something.
Crystalwatcher
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This is the problem.
General/organized prayers don't work. They have to be personal.
Otherwise they don't have enough emotion to define the Angel being born from it.
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- Voidbetweenstars
- Or in other words STOP TRYING TO GAME THE SYSTEM.
- After all you could simply have everyone but the demons on the dark side betray each other.
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- Italy
Rei Mitsubishi - Duty of the Strongest
A Lord Marshal rant on Rei Mitsubishi current state of mind
N.B rant not WoG you know the drill yadda yadda
What it means to be the Strongest.
A Lord Marshal rant on Rei Mitsubishi current state of mind
N.B rant not WoG you know the drill yadda yadda
What it means to be the Strongest.
Goddess Gold has a truly peculiar name between the people savvy enough to inform themselves: The Golden Annihilator.
Not "Avatar Of Victory", not "Easy Mode", not "Localized Genocide".
The reason is simple.
Gold is not "Victory" or "Invincibility" or "Ridiculous firepower".
She is annihilation, and not only in the physical sense.
Rei Mitsubishi enter the fray, the battle is over.
You can't fight her, you can't stop her and you can't run from her.
If she's fighting, you already lost the engagement.
If Amanda takes victory, Rei takes everything, and there is nothing and no one that can stop her.Dark Lord aside, but he really doesn't do the "front-line fights" thingy, and it's pretty sneaky.
This is what means to be Goddess Gold.
It's a welcome feeling, compared to an ever present fear of dying, of not being enough, of just being useless or worse.
Many people would gladly trade their place with Rei!
Seriously, between the hell of being always in fear and standing on top of the world, not only invincible but unstoppable, who would chose the former?
But the problem of an everlasting war it's that everything is hell, just a different kind.
And Goddess Gold is not an exception.
The first problem is simple: when you can stop everything, everything is your responsibility.
When someone is a simple soldier, or a weak magical girl, fatalities simply happens and it's no one fault: people are not gods, and even gods were laid low in this war.
People die, and this is the reality.
A bus of civilians killed by a demon it's what you call a tragedy.
But when you can stop everything, tragedies don't exist, only errors.
If people die, it's because you weren't there to stop it, and you could have been there, because no one can stop you.
When the battle end, and the survivors study the reports, trying to find a way where they could have saved everyone, normally they reach the conclusion that it was simply impossible for them to do so, it gives them peace.
Rei finds that she could have saved everyone,with the right, most efficient choices.
Choices that maybe she could never have know were right before the battle, but that she could have theoretically made.
Maybe not in situations like Hope, but Hope was and is not a normal situation.
The normality for Goddess Gold is to know that she could save everyone, and regardless of that fact there are still people to bury after every engagement.
Is it a fair judgement? Of course not, but people are never fair when judging themselves.
But as you already know, it always gets worse.
A brief talk about the "right" choices.
Funny thing is, that the "right" choices are not always the "smart" ones, in fact normally are not.
The same is true for Gold, considering she is the first reason the UL front is still standing.
She can't go guns blazing trying to save everyone, because doing so would leave the other Goddesses free to strike and to do far more damage.
She can't remain on the defensive, protecting what she really wants to protect, because she is the only one that can stop UD attacks with complete certainty.
For all her power, the only thing that Rei have is "could", not "can".
She could protect her loved ones, she could protect the people under her command, she could,could,could.
But she can't, because the strongest must do "smart" choices to save people, not "right" ones.
And the worse thing of all, is that probably she could go with her guts almost every time and still survive the whole ordeal, because the is the Golden Annihilator and there is 90 percent chances that any trap the UD springs on her will simply fall flat in front of the sheer firepower she commands.
But that 10 percent means that the defeat of the UL, so she can't.
And every time that she remains stand-by, ready to intercept an Ichi that simply doesn't come, she dies a little inside.
Because she can do everything and she stood by and let the ones that can't bled for nothing.
How does it feel to see your comrades die to win victories you could bring effortlessly, but you didn't because some enemy (that was never really there)could have been hiding?
And then that happens again and again and again and again until you're so sick of it that you just want to explode and rage and vent but you can't.
Because you know that the one time where you're needed and aren't there, everything will fall apart and all the sacrifices you did, all those "smart" choices will become ash in the wind if you falter when it really matter.
So you keep following the rules, keep letting other people die to accomplish feats you could do blindfolded.
And what happens when those "Smart" choices are actually worth it?
Another brief talk about those smart choices.
Another brief talk about those smart choices.
Well, in that case you fight your family.
You fight Goddess Grey.
You fight the brainwashed sister that thinks is saving people, trying her best to be an hero while slaughtering her own comrades with a big smile on her face.
You fight Ichi, that just screams at you that she doesn't want to kill you, that she misses the times where you four were together and she doesn't understand why you're against her.
You fight the batshit insane sister so far off the deep end White Soul seems completely rational, the sister you should be helping find treatment, cures and instead are going to put down like a rabid dog, while you ask yourself is she is really completely beyond hope or is simply desperate, if killing her is a kindness or selfishness.
This is where all those "smart" choices brings Rei: all those sacrifices, those missed opportunities, the people that died for nothing but leaving her free to fight are for this.
Being smart comes with a prize, and the prize handed to Gold is being the executioner of her own sisters, the ones she should help.
And so Rei let them go.
Because this is what Rei does, let's be clear.
She evade the final confrontation, and it's not even difficult.
Ichi, Ni and Rei don't want a deathmatch, so no one really forces it.
It's the worse kind of irony, really.
Being "right" let everyone dies, and being "smart" forces her to kill her sisters.
So Rei doesn't make a choice.
But the worse part of it is that it means everyone else dies for nothing, because again, when you're the strongest, your actions have consequences.
When Gold returns, hailed as a savior after forcing Grey to run yet again, she doesn't do it as a winner, she does as someone that left her own friends and comrades die in droves for a possibility of changing the war and then refused to take it.
And then did so again and again.
She can't tell herself she is doing the right thing, because she explicitly does not, nor she can sleep knowing that all those sacrifices meant something, because she wasted every single dead soldier that, well, died so she could be free to fight.
The only thing that Gold accomplish is stalling for time, using the lives of her subordinates as the money for this pact with the devil, hoping for some miracle.
Maybe White will find a way to bring everyone together again?
Maybe Red will just return to the light?
hypothetical are all she's good for, safe in her golden tend while the people she should protect die for nothing.
Rei personal problem
But this is a situation where that anyone with Rei power could find itself in, there is a underlying issue at work that make everything worse.
Humans are adaptable, psychologically speaking.(Maybe not in a RL point of view, but human mind in fiction is as varied as the people think it is)
Amanda is a living proof of this: she survived everything, and in the process she "adapted" to the fact that she would be the only survivor in the long term.
It's all but healthy, but it works to survive in extreme condition.
Problem is, Rei is already "broken".
All Goddesses have quirks (I would like do a rant about them if i actually knew more about Red and White quirks).
Rei brand of craziness is that she is a queen, and she rules people and treasures, to the point that this vision of life is part of the her affinities.
Problem is, Rei "ownership" as Solid Core demonstrated is a two-way street: No one touches the queen treasures.
Rei, interestingly, seems to understand how absurd this line of thinking is and tries to control it, but this is not the point.
The point is that her subordinates are at the same time dear subjects for her.
When other people would simply after a certain time ignore the casualties from not doing things the perfect way, Goddess Gold can't, because the very core of her being is based on the idea that she rules, and things she rules are her problem.
All those soldiers that died for nothing? She can't ignore them like someone would do.
She's a queen with wonderful people under her, but the bad one is her.
An ungrateful queen that can't recompense her own people sacrifices, with enough power to do so, but not enough will to do what's necessary.
She's just wasting time hoping of a miracle that no decent ruler should believe in.
Surely Rei thought of this, with all the time she had after Hope: How can she be so proud when she accomplish so little? Truly her ego is fitting for a buffoon like her, that while standing on the top of the food chain do nothing but let other people die for her convenience.
Surely this cannot go on....but this means her sisters will die.
This is what Rei fought with before this very mission, where we told her we could save Goddess Grey.
We're the miracle she was waiting for, a miracle that will bring salvation to everyone, that will finally make all those smart choices worth.
The regrets, the guilt, the suffering and the feeling of being a failure? Those emotions won't ever disappear, but this is a burden Rei Mitsubishi must carry with her, as the fitting price for the miracle she waited for.
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Well, this was dark, but ended in a hopeful note...that it's something of a patter here: pretty much everyone went through shit, but they still have hope at the end of road, even if the scars of the war will remain.
They just need to keep fighting a little longer.
For Gold....well, this is what means to be the greatest, a shitload of pressure and responsibility that comes with unlimited cosmic powers.
@Crystalwatcher
This time no question corner, just a single curiosity.
How accurate were and are these rant to the actual characters?
As always you're free to answer or not, but i would really like to find out as i'm deeply interested in subject as these very rants attest.
Knowing how "right" i am would let me improve the future LordMarshalRantsTM too.
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- madison
that's fairly simple. a few weeks of propaganda lead up about how defat at hope means the end of human civilization, with an emphasize on terrible things being done to everyone you love, and you could get a six or seven figure number of people who have personal feelings of desperately wanting hope to be a victory. Humans are pack animals, getting a lot of people to make the same sort of personal prayer is very doable.
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let's hope we don't gehaburn her.
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- Earth
Please stop. Even if it was theoretically possible, no one will do it because there are far too many ways for this kind of abuse of the overal rule to backfire or fail to work.
This line of thought is nothing but a waste of time and Crys all but directly said so. It does not work.
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it's a logical extension of the setting. Even if it wouldn't work trying to game a system like that is exactly the sort of thing humanity would at the very least try. We break systems down into their component parts and abuse the hell out of them. Viable or not, trying to game systems like this is more or less what Evolution of Warfare is about. We gamed physics so hard we can kill gods, why would humanity have any more respect for the laws of metaphysics?
Now I'm not saying it would work, there legit may be a metaphysical component that means praying with the intention to create an angel simply fails. Possibly in a dangerous way. It's equally possible false heaven finds the very idea viscerally repugnant on basic level. But it is something we would think to try, and if nothing else a project where counterforce is sticking pins into in the brains of a dozen volunteers to try and mass produce war angles over heavens objections would be a neat piece of background fluff.
And that's precisely why it wouldn't work.
While I agree this particular setting is ripe for gaming the system (MGs are all about trying to game things harder), when the QM tells you it won't work, it's time to let it drop, and think of other things to game.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
So, I have to say that MG Horror Story looks very well thought out in terms of spells and Abilities, though her weapon is a little confusing. Is her Red Smile a scythe of some sort, or something else?
MG Final Breath though, I have a few concerns about. Her weapon seems fitting for an assassin MG, and her spell seems useful, but Death's Favor and Kill the Dead seem a little out of place to me. Death's Favor doesn't really seem like something that belongs on a Level 1 MG. Maybe if it was her Maker Bullshit, I'd be fine with it, but as it stands Final. Breath is a Myth-tier Girl. Kill The Dead, however, just doesn't seem like it fits her theme as an assassin. What does the undead have to do with her Affinities or specific concept?
MG Final Breath though, I have a few concerns about. Her weapon seems fitting for an assassin MG, and her spell seems useful, but Death's Favor and Kill the Dead seem a little out of place to me. Death's Favor doesn't really seem like something that belongs on a Level 1 MG. Maybe if it was her Maker Bullshit, I'd be fine with it, but as it stands Final. Breath is a Myth-tier Girl. Kill The Dead, however, just doesn't seem like it fits her theme as an assassin. What does the undead have to do with her Affinities or specific concept?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
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the knife in her character pic. Was originally gonna be a sickle, but I couldn't find an appropriate one.
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
Ah. A fitting weapon for a Magical Girl whose theme appears to be "horror story antagonist" indeed.