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Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

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Lordsservent said:
Well, of course it is. They are basically the last and best line of defence against the forces of darkness. If there were no Magical Grils at all, then humanity would have been extinguished long before this quest began.
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Um... I'm pretty sure the Akashik pillar is a pretty devastating force even without magical girls. Especially since the Unified Darkness has a very strong appeal to any powerful egoist. The unified light probably got more of them, but we've seen what happens when they turn.

Chances are if there weren't any magical girls the Akashik pillar would be far more nuke happy to compensate it.
 
Beyogi said:
Um... I'm pretty sure the Akashik pillar is a pretty devastating force even without magical girls. Especially since the Unified Darkness has a very strong appeal to any powerful egoist. The unified light probably got more of them, but we've seen what happens when they turn.

Chances are if there weren't any magical girls the Akashik pillar would be far more nuke happy to compensate it.
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Huh. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but your argument seems sound(though there would be much more damage if there were no MG's for sure).
 
diesel366 said:
Is it possible for a Magical Girl to under go apotheosis or similar and raise their existence affinity?
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Crystalwatcher said:
No.

EDIT: Unless they make a deal with a Divine Entity anyway.
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kelllogo said:
*Looks at planned path upgrades*

I completely misunderstood something from Brilliant Key :V
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I have three questions.
1) Taking the example of Brilliant Key and MGs who make divine pacts, how do their base stats change when they upgrade their Growth Affinity? And are they in any way related to their previous stats?

2) Is it permissible to give an MG an ability, Super or otherwise, to change her base stats to equal highest for your Growth Affinity?

3) Sega has an ability that trickles down her power to untransformed state. Can other MGs get something similar?
 
Faraway-R said:
2) Is it permissible to give an MG an ability, Super or otherwise, to change her base stats to equal highest for your Growth Affinity?
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I'm not Crys or even a beta, but I'm guessing no for the simple reason of that there is no such thing as "highest for a growth affinity". We've seen numbers below or above those thresholds for...at least 3 growth affinities. They are guidelines, not definitions.

OTOH, I know there are abilities that permanently improve stats/level(see Summit, for instance.), so that could exist, it just would be "increase stats to x/level", not changing them to "highest for growth affinity."
 
Mellithae said:
I'm not Crys or even a beta, but I'm guessing no for the simple reason of that there is no such thing as "highest for a growth affinity". We've seen numbers below or above those thresholds for...at least 3 growth affinities. They are guidelines, not definitions.

OTOH, I know there are abilities that permanently improve stats/level(see Summit, for instance.), so that could exist, it just would be "increase stats to x/level", not changing them to "highest for growth affinity."
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I love Summit, but her Ceaseless Warrior is both a Super and keyed off of her Implacable trauma-borne Affinity.

Also, outliers are outliers for a reason, I am looking into viability of a "general purpose" solution that isn't reliant on MG's theme or affinities to implement.
 
Faraway-R said:
3) Sega has an ability that trickles down her power to untransformed state. Can other MGs get something similar?
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As always with this kind of question, it depends on the MG. That kind of ability is not unique to Sega though, no.

Faraway-R said:
Also, outliers are outliers for a reason, I am looking into viability of a "general purpose" solution that isn't reliant on MG's theme or affinities to implement.
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Not the kind of thing that shows up as a "general purpose" thing.
 
Faraway-R said:
I love Summit, but her Ceaseless Warrior is both a Super and keyed off of her Implacable trauma-borne Affinity.

Also, outliers are outliers for a reason, I am looking into viability of a "general purpose" solution that isn't reliant on MG's theme or affinities to implement.
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Not talking about ceaseless warrior. I was talking about the aegis field upgrade that she can buy every 5? levels.
 
Just stumbled upon this... I think Crystallwatcher has been hinting something fierce.
Sega:
"In this case, we're both fat. As Divine level Magical Girls, our Existence has enough Concept Hax behind it, that we can easily simulate otherwise impossible abilities by simply throwing our own existence behind it. It's one of the reasons Rei can bypass the normal limitations of (False) Intercept and allow it to do damage. Using you as an example:

[A simulacrum of Solid Core appears between Goddess Gold and White Soul.]

"You normally come pre-equipped with high level abilities on your spells and weapons. So (False) Abilities help you less. When you do manage a (False) Ability you're actually highly likely to trigger it into an actual Ability instead of a (False) one. Using Soft MechanicsTM as an example, lets say you get into a fight with Rei here and decide you really want to get rid of her weapon...
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We just randomly happen to really want to get rid of her weapon :)
 
So, @Crystalwatcher, I've been thinking for a bit, and I decided to ask you some questions about magic items.

First off, about how easy is it to make something like an enchanted sword with a basic Armor Pierce Ability out of standard materials?

Do unusual materials have an effect on magical items they are used in?

Over in kelllogo's quest, one of the weapons used by a demon was made out of a Magical Girl. Is that something that actually happens, people being made into weapons?

If the answer to my previous question is yes, does the Magic of the individual being used on any of the resulting weapon's capabilities? Like, say, a serial killer with a Blood Affinity being used resulting in a weapon with a Consume Ability from the start?
 
ReaperofInterest said:
So, @Crystalwatcher, I've been thinking for a bit, and I decided to ask you some questions about magic items.

First off, about how easy is it to make something like an enchanted sword with a basic Armor Pierce Ability out of standard materials?

Do unusual materials have an effect on magical items they are used in?

Over in kelllogo's quest, one of the weapons used by a demon was made out of a Magical Girl. Is that something that actually happens, people being made into weapons?

If the answer to my previous question is yes, does the Magic of the individual being used on any of the resulting weapon's capabilities? Like, say, a serial killer with a Blood Affinity being used resulting in a weapon with a Consume Ability from the start?
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LostDeviljho said:
Not often. At least, not while still technically alive like her.
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You forgot about cases like the Apocalypse Maidens and the WEAPONS. So, yes, people becoming weapons does in fact happen on a semi-regular basis, and their innate magic does affect how they'll end up as a weapon.
 
Gore17 said:
You forgot about cases like the Apocalypse Maidens and the WEAPONS. So, yes, people becoming weapons does in fact happen on a semi-regular basis, and their innate magic does affect how they'll end up as a weapon.
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Eh...I had sort of meant literal weapons like swords, spears, possibly the odd trinket like a ring or necklace or brooch, instead of a Divine Being's weapon. Basically I was thinking about the possibility of sapient sacrifice in order to create an item that has traits related to the sacrifice's magic and/or personality.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
Eh...I had sort of meant literal weapons like swords, spears, possibly the odd trinket like a ring or necklace or brooch, instead of a Divine Being's weapon. Basically I was thinking about the possibility of sapient sacrifice in order to create an item that has traits related to the sacrifice's magic and/or personality.
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Use Reforging concepthax to turn a fragment of a Divine Being's weapon into a mortal weapon.
 
Gore17 said:
You forgot about cases like the Apocalypse Maidens and the WEAPONS. So, yes, people becoming weapons does in fact happen on a semi-regular basis, and their innate magic does affect how they'll end up as a weapon.
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I meant more actual literal weapons rather than "weapons" like that. Most people do not survive the process of being turned into a sword or whatever.
 
ReaperofInterest said:
So, @Crystalwatcher, I've been thinking for a bit, and I decided to ask you some questions about magic items.

First off, about how easy is it to make something like an enchanted sword with a basic Armor Pierce Ability out of standard materials?

Do unusual materials have an effect on magical items they are used in?

Over in kelllogo's quest, one of the weapons used by a demon was made out of a Magical Girl. Is that something that actually happens, people being made into weapons?

If the answer to my previous question is yes, does the Magic of the individual being used on any of the resulting weapon's capabilities? Like, say, a serial killer with a Blood Affinity being used resulting in a weapon with a Consume Ability from the start?
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To start off with, it depends on the magic weapon in question being made. Basic enchantments, like a gun that fires flaming bullets that freeze the target are actually relatively simply to produce. The Akashic Pillar has even been experimenting with mass-production of enchanted weaponry for the Counter Force.

It's when you start trying to do abstract enchantments like adding a specific ability that things tend to get difficult, and more often then not, messy. Turning a weaker existence into a weapon is rather easy. Humans do it all the time: turning steel into guns, or taming an animal to be a combat-capable companion. But when you try turning someone of similar existential being to yourself into a weapon, it gets really difficult.

Using Iron Age over in @kelllogo's quest as an example, with how she was turned into a spear, you can't turn them into just any kind of weapon. For example, you can't turn a random magical serial killer into a gattling gun for example. The weapon you're turning them into has to be something that 'fits' their existence. Like Iron Age and being turned into a Spear.

Using the Random Serial Killer again, the best you could likely hope for would be his most common murder weapon. If they tried turning Anastasia into a weapon, it'd come out as a sword. Same with Sega and Rei. Doing this to someone creates a cursed existence in the form of that weapon, that while far stronger, and likely to carry non-standard and incredible abilities, requires the unwilling sacrifice of the person in question as well as a lengthy ritual with a lot of other living sacrifices during it.

This makes sense to you?
 
Crystalwatcher said:
The weapon you're turning them into has to be something that 'fits' their existence. Like Iron Age and being turned into a Spear.
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In the interests of full information, I should mention that transformed Iron Age was literally made of metal, and thus smelt-able. Her existence "fit" a lot more than most due to that.
 
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