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Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

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crystalwatcher said:
At the moment the whole Materia thing is still in the "checking to see if it can even a thing" stage. There's some promising results, but nothing concrete yet. There's also the fact that a lot of the funding for the project is split between it and several others like the magi-tech system from FF8.
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crystalwatcher said:
Some of the earliest breakthroughs were from those that had been inspired by Nasu-verse magecraft, which lead to it influencing a lot of the recent naming conventions. It's why the military is known as the Counter Force and not something else, like Arcadia Corp, or something even stupider. You have to remember that Humanity is really new to the whole idea of magic, unlike the rest of the LDC. We're still learning how to chuck fireballs or call down icestorms, so pretty much anything like Materia is still in the theoretical and experimental stages.
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When those system are finalized and become possible for deployment/usage, will the others race in the LDC add them to their inventory? And what be their reaction be? I imagine that since the others races are elemental based in their magic and using those system would allow them a lot more flexibly in their magic like how human magic is.

crystalwatcher said:
Some weapons literally cease to exist when their Girl returns to their normal state, rendering such enhancements pointless. Still others have magic that would overwhelm whatever was attempted on their items. Though some girls have managed to get "upgrades" such as additional armor to their outfits, or better weaponry, thanks to the efforts of others.
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What about indirect enhancements? Like for say after a Magical Girl transform she put on additional equipment like wearing a bracelet that had a defense enhancement imbue on it. Will it stack with their magic girl abilities/stats?

crystalwatcher said:
As for using them as a power source? Not very many people have thought of that. Both Samael and Lucky have both been getting ideas recently because of the Core Connection (Sam because of how long he's had it, Lucky because she's a magical prodigy the likes of which come about only once a millennium) and will likely start looking into utilizing the power that's been imbued into them.
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Will we be getting a chance to see Samael and Lucky trying these enchantment out in future update?
 
kelllogo said:
I can't offer any insight on who Ms. Reality Bubble might be, but here's something that's been bugging me.

Consider the following:
Solid Core can forge a connection to the ???? Core to boost the power of her team. This boost applies at full power to Angels, Fairies, and spell-casting Humans. Boosted team-mates get to summon little pink sparks and cut the arms off annoying Top Ten Magical Girls.

Core Connection can't power a Magical Girl. Even ones that are less impressive than a Fairy Prodigy or an Angel. It just doesn't work because of spoilery reasons.

Solid Core has a link to a fallen concept, and more besides. This is probably the source of all the current Divinity-class Magical Girls -- all of them have the same Affinities.

And lastly, Magical Girls are just one of those things that are odd about Humans. There's no link to a divine being (other than a bit of prodding from Gaia, but that's every human) that awakens their power. It just happens to be the way their magic manifests.
(I was so sure that there was something that enabled Magical Girls to start awakening.:()

From where I'm standing Core Connection being invalid for MGs makes no Cosmos-Damned sense. If it was human magic that got in the way Samael wouldn't have it, and there's no divine being mucking about being the source of other MG's powers to explain it either. There might be some insight in activating the progenitor frame, but that thing scares me for some reason -- I expect it will wake up something that isn't friendly.

Post Rant: I think there was mention of Magical Girls not making sense in-universe. Not making sense out-of-universe would be consistent at least.
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LostDeviljho said:
There's an internally consistent reason for this. The only spoiler-free bit I can share is that MG magic is another step up from basic human magic, and is thus... heftier, I suppose. Same reason that Magical Girls don't count as "mortals" for relevant effects, while angels and elves and Samael do.

*Note that this is a rough memory of a topic that came up a while ago in the workshop, so it may not be 100% accurate.
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To give it a good understanding, it goes something like this:

A "mortal" has a metaphysical cost of "1". This is all of your myriad entities all over the LDC. Demon foot soldiers, random war angels, Elves, Fairies, Humans, what have you. All these beings count as "Mortals". Magical Girls on the other hand are more in line with Gaia's idea of a "Perfect Humanity". Individuals powerful enough to register on nearly anyone's threat scale. While they came about using Human views on the operation of Magic, it was Gaia that prodded it just enough to get her desired result out of it. Otherwise Magical Girls wouldn't be a thing.

Because of this difference, and the direct influence of their existence by a Divine Being, Magical Girls - from the weakest to the strongest - all have a metaphysical cost of "3" or more. For example, Truth had a "cost" of "3" but Goddess Grey has a "cost" of "7" give or take.

The being behind Nepgear's power has a metaphysical "budget" of "2". Thus, without some kind of work around to reduce the cost of the "purchase" or a way to increase it's "budget" then it has no way of "buying" a Magical Girl. The more powerful the being, the higher the cost.

Gaia has a theoretically "infinite budget" when it comes from Human-Derived entities because Humanity is already under her purview. Chronos can afford up to Legend when "hiring" Magical Girls.

So on.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
When those system are finalized and become possible for deployment/usage, will the others race in the LDC add them to their inventory?
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Possibly, it depends on how the systems interact with their Magic Styles and whether or not they'd actually be useful since their entire species can all use magic, unlike Humans.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
And what be their reaction be?
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Really fucking impressed?

BoundaryPhantasm said:
I imagine that since the others races are elemental based in their magic and using those system would allow them a lot more flexibly in their magic like how human magic is.
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Again, it depends on how the systems interact with their Magic Systems.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
What about indirect enhancements? Like for say after a Magical Girl transform she put on additional equipment like wearing a bracelet that had a defense enhancement imbue on it. Will it stack with their magic girl abilities/stats?
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This is possible, and does work so long as it's not direct, permanent, enchantments because it'd run into the girls that don't use their real bodies when transformed.

Yes, it stacks.

BoundaryPhantasm said:
Will we be getting a chance to see Samael and Lucky trying these enchantment out in future update?
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Depends on the voting.

Gore17 said:
Nepgear always faints?
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Not this.

Turns out it's only been semi-recent but it's happened twice now:
crystalwatcher said:
"You're not helping Gabriel."

"I think she's all kinds of help."

"Dammit Sam!"
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crystalwatcher said:
"You're Not Helping, James!"

"He's all kinds of help!"

"Dammit Gabriel!"
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Poor Nepgear, everyone gangs up on her.
 
crystalwatcher said:
The being behind Nepgear's power has a metaphysical "budget" of "2". Thus, without some kind of work around to reduce the cost of the "purchase" or a way to increase it's "budget" then it has no way of "buying" a Magical Girl. The more powerful the being, the higher the cost.
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Ah. The Exalted solution; "I can't create a weapon powerful enough to kill X, so instead I'll create a weak* weapon with unlimited and rapid growth!"

*Compared to the beings they were created to fight a fresh Exalt is weak.
 
crystalwatcher said:
A "mortal" has a metaphysical cost of "1". This is all of your myriad entities all over the LDC. Demon foot soldiers, random war angels, Elves, Fairies, Humans, what have you. All these beings count as "Mortals". Magical Girls on the other hand are more in line with Gaia's idea of a "Perfect Humanity". Individuals powerful enough to register on nearly anyone's threat scale. While they came about using Human views on the operation of Magic, it was Gaia that prodded it just enough to get her desired result out of it. Otherwise Magical Girls wouldn't be a thing.

Because of this difference, and the direct influence of their existence by a Divine Being, Magical Girls - from the weakest to the strongest - all have a metaphysical cost of "3" or more. For example, Truth had a "cost" of "3" but Goddess Grey has a "cost" of "7" give or take.
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Pretty much confirms what I thought once kellogo brought the topic to my attention (though I refined the idea a bit after reading the above): A Divine Being imbues/blesses a Magical Girl to give them their power, and this in turn creates a connection between the girl and said Divine Being. In this case, the MG is an extension of the DB, thus making them incompatible with the Core Connection.

Though if that's right, then this opens up a whole new can of worms..
 
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Locos_Docos said:
A Divine Being imbues/blesses a Magical Girl to give them their power, and this in turn creates a connection between the girl and said Divine Being. In this case, the MG is an extension of the DB, thus making them incompatible with the Core Connection.
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In a way.

Another Divine Being can also "buy" the Magical Girl off another, but it has a heightened cost related to the power of the Divine Being they're trying to "out-bid" and requires the agreement of the given Magical Girl. There's at least one or two girls out there that have taken up mercenary work for Divine Beings for this exact reason. It gives them free power ups, and reduces the risk of the Divine Being she serves dying and rendering her helpless.
 
Come to think of it, it may be interesting if there is an RP that is set in the universe of this quest...
 
crystalwatcher said:
How would that even work? I haven't done any real RPs since...

2008 I think?
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It would depend on what one wanted to do with the RP. There's plenty of possibilities. Group of newly awakened MGs? Counter force operatives? Eclectic mix of characters from races thrown together under dire circumstances to combat an invasion? Unified Darkness realpolitik simulator? All kinds of stuff.
 
UbeOne said:
This is an entire fleshed-out setting. An RP based on this quest would be interesting.
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LostDeviljho said:
It would depend on what one wanted to do with the RP. There's plenty of possibilities. Group of newly awakened MGs? Counter force operatives? Eclectic mix of characters from races thrown together under dire circumstances to combat an invasion? Unified Darkness realpolitik simulator? All kinds of stuff.
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Tempted to make an Empire Quest now.

Been thinking of making one of those, but have yet to figure out how to do it effectively.
 
I would play a RP in this setting.

Mentioned before was that Nepgear's presence makes Exp gain for people higher by one, so would that mean if Rei was working with her she would gain exp at the level of Divinity? And if this effect was found out would the counter force try to pair Nepgear with other weaker girls to accelerate their growth, thus increasing the UL's accumulation of power?

Do any magical girls acquire any genetic mutations that could be passed on to children? If a MG had a solid magic body could they have children, and if so what effect would it have on the offspring? Also would it be possible for a MG, say a Story Maker, to have an ability so that given enough time their growth affinity increases?
 
LostDeviljho said:
If there were, it wouldn't be able to reach Divinity.
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That one i guessed, Divinity is really a OOC issue and is not normal by any stretch and likely needs a Divine Being to come into existence. Could be a interesting story of a Magical girl with that ability though, trying to survive in the Eternal War and fight for the UL, then somehow it is found out she has gone from Story Maker to Myth Maker and the UD hunting her.
 
crystalwatcher said:
Tempted to make an Empire Quest now.

Been thinking of making one of those, but have yet to figure out how to do it effectively.
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Please have it be a sequel to this. I beg you! *gets down and begs*

I will advise throwing out most, if not all hard mechanics and numbers however.
diesel366 said:
Mentioned before was that Nepgear's presence makes Exp gain for people higher by one, so would that mean if Rei was working with her she would gain exp at the level of Divinity? And if this effect was found out would the counter force try to pair Nepgear with other weaker girls to accelerate their growth, thus increasing the UL's accumulation of power?
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...I'll say it again, that was a joke.
diesel366 said:
Do any magical girls acquire any genetic mutations that could be passed on to children? If a MG had a solid magic body could they have children, and if so what effect would it have on the offspring? Also would it be possible for a MG, say a Story Maker, to have an ability so that given enough time their growth affinity increases?
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1&2) No idea, don't think they've been around long enough.
3) Story-maker? Not to my knowledge.
 
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