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Crystalwatcher's Magical Girl Quest!

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Gore17 said:
*stares at Goddess Red, walks away whistling*
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...suddenly I'm wondering of Blue Sky was really a traitor or just someone who was killed, resurrected, and sent back as a spy without anyone realizing it.

Oh and unless Goddess Red has some kinda dead magical girl detector, which admittedly she might have, then an unmarked grave in a forest somewhere would work to keep Blue Sky from being resurrected. Tossing her into the ocean, far enough away that she doesn't wash back up, might also work since it would make getting at her sufficiently difficult.
 
UberJJK said:
...suddenly I'm wondering of Blue Sky was really a traitor or just someone who was killed, resurrected, and sent back as a spy without anyone realizing it.

Oh and unless Goddess Red has some kinda dead magical girl detector, which admittedly she might have, then an unmarked grave in a forest somewhere would work to keep Blue Sky from being resurrected. Tossing her into the ocean, far enough away that she doesn't wash back up, might also work since it would make getting at her sufficiently difficult.
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they did use some kind of dowsing spell to find Sega at the graveyard...
 
...how the actual fuck did the traitor manage to get the jump on Truth when something like eight other Magical Girls had already transformed and were more than ready to intercept (and Truth herself was more than ready)?

And why would Nepgear use a fucking ranged attack against someone who had one of her allies in her hands?

None of that fight made any sense at all.
 
UberJJK said:
Eh. If we sub in Nepgear's old damage:
(Purifier Beam: 1,137 Base Damage, +?? Dice, +568 RAGE = 1,705
Blue Sky: 2,600 Base resilience, Dice negated, -1,300 scared shitless of you, +1,200 Faster Combatant = 2,500 Damage Reduction
Truth: 125 Base Resilience, Dice Negated, -25 Can't do shit, +1,108 Echo of Peace = 1,208 Damage Reduction

Blue Sky 0 Total End Damage
Truth 497 Total End Damage

Truth Health: 1,066 - 497 = 569)
Truth would still be seriously hurt but Blue Sky would have flown away unscratched. As bad as things are they would have been worse if we hadn't killed Blue Sky when we did.Running the numbers we'd have needed at least 4,450 damage to kill Blue Sky and that would have also killed Truth. What's worse anything less then killing Blue Sky would have almost certainly resulted in her killing Truth, because as you point out that's a major gain for the Unified Darkness, before dying.


It's died down from the old days. I hate them too but I barely notice it anymore.


See my above math. Enough damage to kill Blue Sky would always kill Truth. For reference if we only bought to Level 13 Purifier Beam then this is what would have happened:
(Purifier Beam: 2,557 Base Damage, +?? Dice, +1,278 RAGE = 3,835
Blue Sky: 2,600 Base resilience, Dice negated, -1,300 scared shitless of you, +1,200 Faster Combatant = 2,500 Damage Reduction
Truth: 125 Base Resilience, Dice Negated, -25 Can't do shit, +2,492 Echo of Peace = 2,592 Damage Reduction

Blue Sky 1,335 Total End Damage
Truth 1,243 Total End Damage

Blue Sky Health: 3,900 - 1,335 = 2,565
Truth Health: 1,066 - 1,243 = -177)
So Truth dies and Blue Sky survives. An even worse scenario then what happened.


You have only yourself to blame. You could have chosen a series of actions that would have resulted in Truth's survival. Like one of the four other magical girls attacking fast enough that Blue Sky couldn't afford to carry Truth up into the sky with her.
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Or maybe Truth having the sense to do this when she has GG or RR for backup, possibly drag Sega in.

But from the sound of it she's been doing this for a long time with few results.

Odd that we didn't try to intercept, but not enough Speed
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
...how the actual fuck did the traitor manage to get the jump on Truth when something like eight other Magical Girls had already transformed and were more than ready to intercept (and Truth herself was more than ready)?
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crystalwatcher said:
Flight
Level 20
-Max Flight speed of 190 mph.
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190mph means 85m/s which is fast. I assume no one had the HSC required to react in time.

And why would Nepgear use a fucking ranged attack against someone who had one of her allies in her hands?
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My guess would be either she was too angry to think and just reacted or she knew Blue Sky was too fast to catch up with and so took the only shot she could.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
...how the actual fuck did the traitor manage to get the jump on Truth when something like eight other Magical Girls had already transformed and were more than ready to intercept (and Truth herself was more than ready)?

And why would Nepgear use a fucking ranged attack against someone who had one of her allies in her hands?

None of that fight made any sense at all.
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  1. Blue sky was the fastest one there, and despite the order they were written in the update, the lot of the transformed simultaneously.
  2. Because Blue was too far away to melee, and significantly faster than Nepgear, so ranged was the only option.
    • Also, Nepgear wasn't thinking properly. Blinding rage and all that.
 
SaltyWaffles said:
...how the actual fuck did the traitor manage to get the jump on Truth when something like eight other Magical Girls had already transformed and were more than ready to intercept (and Truth herself was more than ready)?

And why would Nepgear use a fucking ranged attack against someone who had one of her allies in her hands?

None of that fight made any sense at all.
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High Speed Combat.

She was explicitly faster than we could react to. Crystalwatcher even dropped a hint on speed differentials earlier during xp spending, but dakka was more tempting
 
Are there any of Nep's abilities that work when she is not transformed? I saw that EoP did not trigger on the first Truth vs Traitor clash.

Truth's aura seems to have worked outside of the transformation and I guess Nep's No Longer Human should work also...
 
UberJJK said:
...suddenly I'm wondering of Blue Sky was really a traitor or just someone who was killed, resurrected, and sent back as a spy without anyone realizing it.
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To add fuel to the fire: Blue Sky's family lived in(on?) Hope.
SaltyWaffles said:
...how the actual fuck did the traitor manage to get the jump on Truth when something like eight other Magical Girls had already transformed and were more than ready to intercept (and Truth herself was more than ready)?

And why would Nepgear use a fucking ranged attack against someone who had one of her allies in her hands?

None of that fight made any sense at all.
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4 other Magical Girls, Blue Sky had iniative, is really fast and none of the others could fly.

And Nepgear couldn't attack any other way.
 
Nepgear really needs to cut it out with the whole teamkilling thing. Candy Heart, Laic, and now Truth...

And no one even gave a fuck about Laic, which was super weird. Not even a polite "please don't go around killing random angels."

Even the narrative doesn't care, so he probably doesn't count for Wail of Madness.

But yeah, two in two updates is making me more than a bit wary. If this trend is going to continue, can we just vote to snap and kill everyone already? Get it out of the way. At least then it would be our choice. :/
 
Projectile said:
Even the narrative doesn't care, so he probably doesn't count for Wail of Madness.
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You have to Gehaburn for it to count for Wail, and you have to use your MG weapon for Gehaburn to activate.
Projectile said:
But yeah, two in two updates is making me more than a bit wary. If this trend is going to continue, can we just vote to snap and kill everyone already? Get it out of the way. At least then it would be our choice. :/
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Things should return to the regular "ohgodohgodohgod we are so fucked" missions soon enough.

Your desire for a "snap" option has been noted and will be taken under consideration. [/secretary speak]
 
Gore17 said:
To add fuel to the fire: Blue Sky's family lived in(on?) Hope.

4 other Magical Girls, Blue Sky had iniative, is really fast and none of the others could fly.

And Nepgear couldn't attack any other way.
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There's no feasible way she could have had the initiative. They all saw the attack coming at least half a minute off. Even if Truth is not capable of moving as fast as Blue Sky, she's definitely capable of reacting quickly enough. And those other four magical girls would have been slowly moving into position while the talking was going on. Truth not being able to even defend against a single strike is bizarre; being grappled and rendered helpless in a single move is just unbelievable.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
There's no feasible way she could have had the initiative. They all saw the attack coming at least half a minute off. Even if Truth is not capable of moving as fast as Blue Sky, she's definitely capable of reacting quickly enough. And those other four magical girls would have been slowly moving into position while the talking was going on. Truth not being able to even defend against a single strike is bizarre; being grappled and rendered helpless in a single move is just unbelievable.
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They all had the same initiative as they transformed at the same time (which quite literally blew up in their faces). Blue Sky was not only markedly faster than everyone else there, she also massed more with her weapon, which is effectively a giant suit of power armor.
If you pay attention to the numbers section, you will note that Truth actually did receive a bonus for "saw it coming". It simply wasn't enough.
 
LostDeviljho said:
They all had the same initiative as they transformed at the same time (which quite literally blew up in their faces). Blue Sky was not only markedly faster than everyone else there, she also massed more with her weapon, which is effectively a giant suit of power armor.
If you pay attention to the numbers section, you will note that Truth actually did receive a bonus for "saw it coming". It simply wasn't enough.
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I need to go to bed soon so I'll just preemptively emphasize this: We were the only ones present, other than Blue Sky herself, to possess High Speed Combat. Blue Sky is two times faster than what we can track, and we can track things going much faster than any of the others.
Blue Sky automatically wins all the races here unless her opponent has a head start. As they did not have a head start here, she went first because she was the fastest, bulled through Truth's too-slow block, and promptly fucked her shit up because a transformed Blue Sky weighs more than a goddamned SUV and was moving at 180 MPH.

This really isn't all that complex.
 
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