Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

Growing to hate Schreiber now. It seems pretty clear that his primary motivation isn't to prevent the Soviets from occupying Germany, it's to prevent Germany from losing. Tens of millions of innocents are dying in a war he knew was coming (Barbarossa) and could have provided warning about or sabotaged, but instead he is winning battles for Germany. Hundreds of thousands are being murdered across occupied Polish and USSR territories, and his efforts are to make sure unconditional surrender isn't demanded. And then he ruminates over the evils of the Soviet occupation, which killed less Germand in 40 years than innocent Soviet Civilians died in the first two months of a war he can't find the time to moralize over.

He just seems a very standard clean Werhmacht type. It's not that a nazified Germany needs to be dismantled to the bedrock, it's not that there are literally millions of Germans complicit in massacres, it's not that in 1944 the German Opposition still expected to keep Poland, Austria, and Sudetenland. Nope just got overthrow Hitler and avoid the occupation.

If Thompson has any historical awareness at all and realizes Schreiber is a time traveler, he should utterly loathe him for the tens of millions of deaths he exerted precisely zero effort to try prevent and the Allied service members he has killed in service to the Third Reich.

Sorry if this a little vehement, but Thompson could do nothing and say nothing about the mass murder in the East that would matter or be believed. Schreiber is different and his silence is damning.
 
Growing to hate Schreiber now. It seems pretty clear that his primary motivation isn't to prevent the Soviets from occupying Germany, it's to prevent Germany from losing. Tens of millions of innocents are dying in a war he knew was coming (Barbarossa) and could have provided warning about or sabotaged, but instead he is winning battles for Germany. Hundreds of thousands are being murdered across occupied Polish and USSR territories, and his efforts are to make sure unconditional surrender isn't demanded. And then he ruminates over the evils of the Soviet occupation, which killed less Germand in 40 years than innocent Soviet Civilians died in the first two months of a war he can't find the time to moralize over.

He just seems a very standard clean Werhmacht type. It's not that a nazified Germany needs to be dismantled to the bedrock, it's not that there are literally millions of Germans complicit in massacres, it's not that in 1944 the German Opposition still expected to keep Poland, Austria, and Sudetenland. Nope just got overthrow Hitler and avoid the occupation.

If Thompson has any historical awareness at all and realizes Schreiber is a time traveler, he should utterly loathe him for the tens of millions of deaths he exerted precisely zero effort to try prevent and the Allied service members he has killed in service to the Third Reich.

Sorry if this a little vehement, but Thompson could do nothing and say nothing about the mass murder in the East that would matter or be believed. Schreiber is different and his silence is damning.
Um.
What?

Schreiber is in the Kreigsmarine. He has precisely zero influence over what the Heer does, especially in Barbarossa that was pushed for by Hitler.
There's absolutely nothing he can do to stop it, and he knows it.
 
Quite honestly, what's Schreiber supposed to do? Deliberately lose naval battles, when Hitler's already hyper-paranoid? It's all he can do to stay in a position to make something happen that improves the outcome of WW2 for Germany. Expecting him to change the course of the war is ridiculous.
 
Growing to hate Schreiber now. It seems pretty clear that his primary motivation isn't to prevent the Soviets from occupying Germany, it's to prevent Germany from losing. Tens of millions of innocents are dying in a war he knew was coming (Barbarossa) and could have provided warning about or sabotaged, but instead he is winning battles for Germany. Hundreds of thousands are being murdered across occupied Polish and USSR territories, and his efforts are to make sure unconditional surrender isn't demanded. And then he ruminates over the evils of the Soviet occupation, which killed less Germand in 40 years than innocent Soviet Civilians died in the first two months of a war he can't find the time to moralize over.

He just seems a very standard clean Werhmacht type. It's not that a nazified Germany needs to be dismantled to the bedrock, it's not that there are literally millions of Germans complicit in massacres, it's not that in 1944 the German Opposition still expected to keep Poland, Austria, and Sudetenland. Nope just got overthrow Hitler and avoid the occupation.

If Thompson has any historical awareness at all and realizes Schreiber is a time traveler, he should utterly loathe him for the tens of millions of deaths he exerted precisely zero effort to try prevent and the Allied service members he has killed in service to the Third Reich.

Sorry if this a little vehement, but Thompson could do nothing and say nothing about the mass murder in the East that would matter or be believed. Schreiber is different and his silence is damning.
You do know that Schreiber grew up in East Germany right? Of course he is going to be biased against the Soviet Occupation.
 
Hmm... and I don't know how open the Wehrmacht are to some Kriegsmarine admiral undermining a major military operation. I don't know how competitive the Branchs are in Germany, but the American military branches are fairly opposed to each other. So an Admiral trying to boss around the Wehrmacht is likely to lead to opposition is a pretty big understatement, I think.

Besides, Hitler doesn't really care for his subordinates telling him not to do something. He was going to fight the USSR, especially after the winter war demonstrated major faults in the Red Army. Even if the Red Army knew this too, and took the time to correct it, they still need time to reform. Recognizing this, Hitler's going to attack as soon as possible, to damn against dissenting opinion.
 
Growing to hate Schreiber now. It seems pretty clear that his primary motivation isn't to prevent the Soviets from occupying Germany, it's to prevent Germany from losing. Tens of millions of innocents are dying in a war he knew was coming (Barbarossa) and could have provided warning about or sabotaged, but instead he is winning battles for Germany. Hundreds of thousands are being murdered across occupied Polish and USSR territories, and his efforts are to make sure unconditional surrender isn't demanded. And then he ruminates over the evils of the Soviet occupation, which killed less Germand in 40 years than innocent Soviet Civilians died in the first two months of a war he can't find the time to moralize over.

He just seems a very standard clean Werhmacht type. It's not that a nazified Germany needs to be dismantled to the bedrock, it's not that there are literally millions of Germans complicit in massacres, it's not that in 1944 the German Opposition still expected to keep Poland, Austria, and Sudetenland. Nope just got overthrow Hitler and avoid the occupation.

If Thompson has any historical awareness at all and realizes Schreiber is a time traveler, he should utterly loathe him for the tens of millions of deaths he exerted precisely zero effort to try prevent and the Allied service members he has killed in service to the Third Reich.

Sorry if this a little vehement, but Thompson could do nothing and say nothing about the mass murder in the East that would matter or be believed. Schreiber is different and his silence is damning.

This is about the same level of ignorance of the practical abilities of each of the characters shown earlier in the thread when people where suggesting Thompson make use of engineering knowledge he didn't have to bring super carriers and nukes in decades early.

Schreiber is a Kreigsmarine admiral, as in he has no authority over the Heer or the SS. The entire point of his covert support of the resistance movements with the shipgirls was because he couldn't visibly oppose the Party line without a meeting with the Gestapo and a subsequent firing squad. Not to mention at this point he is the face of the Kreigsmarine surface warfare ships, the Hero who bloodied the pride of the Royal Navy, sunk her escorts and got away with it. He has so much scrutiny on him that if it weren't for literal magic he would have been caught already.

As for Barbarossa, it was inevitable for multiple reasons. First was that it was planned and in the books for literal years at this point. No one officer, especially not one who is not even in the Heer, would have been able to stop it (especially when you consider that the point was to follow Hitler's manifesto and secure more living space). Second was that attacking now was their best chance at knocking the Soviets out of the fight due to the season and Stalin's purge of all his officers. Third, Stalin was most definitely going to attack once he got his Army in line, the fight was coming regardless.

All Schreiber can do is offer input on how to use naval assets in operations in and around the Baltic and North sea. He maybe has control of some marines if they fall under his chain of command, but that's the limit of what he can do.
 
Anyhow, Churchill, seeing Admiral Lütjens personally, with the BB Gneisenau in toe. Don't know why he'd put himself in the position, or be his usual blunt self facing a shipgirl who has more firepower then the British Army. Still, his confidence led Britain through some of the hardest times shes known. With Oaks on the scene, I'ma bet the Japanese have Kaga in ship girl spirit form. That... doesn't smell "good news" for the pacific war. Atleast, not for the US.
 
Also of note, three (Utah, Rochester, Royal Oak) of the 6 ships that have no hulls were sunk in surprise attacks. The big outlier is California.
 
Schreiber is senior officer in the Kreigsmarine. He could defect to the British or the Soviets with the exact date and start time of Operation Barbarossa. A real Kreigsmarine Officer might not know the details, but he does. Even a few days of warning would increase Soviet effectiveness by an order of magnitude and save, quite literally, millions of lives.

Separately, he could have defected and explained the German maneuvers to the French and British and enabled a Entente victory in the battle of France, removing the threat of Soviet Occupation entirely. He could have warned the Belgians about Eben Emael and substantively delayed the Heer's ground offensive. He could have had his shipgirls help him kill off some of the leadership and put the Third Reich into Chaos.

What I see is people approaching it from the same viewpoint he's using. How can he effect things While still fighting for Germany.

He shouldn't be. As soon as the situation presented itself he should have defected. He also could have allowed the Bismarck to experience the same fate as OTL. Instead he not only made the ship more effective (and more costly for the Allies) but improved the naval situation overall for the Third Reich.

There are lots of things he could have done. He just won't do them because he's dead set on making Germany lose as softly as possible. And if the cost of avoiding Soviet occupation is 20 million innocent people, that's clearly a price he's prepared to pay (noticeably he moralizes over the Holocaust but not Generaplan-Ost). More people have died in the opening months of the invasion than in the whole of the Soviet Occupation and DDR.

Seperately, there is exactly zero serious historical evidence indicating the Soviet Union was going to attack Germany. Quite the opposite in fact. But even if there, let's be clear, the Soviet invasion of Germany was literally an order of magnitude less lethal then the reverse. And that was after the Germans spent four years making every Soviet hate them. A Soviet invasion and defeat of Nazi Germany is an objectively superior outcome to any other conflict between the two just based off of lives saved and the liberation of the Poles (also dying in the hundreds of thousands)
 
He couldn't give the exact date because shit didn't match up to begin with. This was a major plot point as the IJN pushed Pearl a full week in advance, ships were being sunk or surviving where they previously didn't. Any intel beyond the really obvious "Hitler is going to attack the Soviets in Spring" would be less than useless.

He couldn't explain army maneuvers because he's a Navy man, you're going to run into resistance from the Allies with a 'helpful' German after Hitler's diplomatic adventures in Europe, good luck trying to explain how a Kriegsmarine Admiral can speak with any authority about how the Heer was fighting.

As for outright defection, how does that help anyone? Even if they don't like the ruling party, the sailors are all still loyal to Germany and their families are still in the country. What do you think the retaliation from Hitler and the Gestapo would have been if Schreiber decided to take Bismarck and Blutcher and run?

Currently the only real way out is for Germany to lose, they need to lose in a fashion that purges the Nazi party from the nation, but the caveat is that they cannot lose to the Soviets. That would only encourage Stalin to spread his strawberry jam all over the world map.

There is a small historical window for this, after Hitler killed himself, Admiral Doenitz was briefly head of state by dint of being one of the few high-ranking officials left. Schreiber can conceivably take his place with enough prestige from combat at which point a previously arranged deal with the British and the Americans would allow him to end the war before the Soviets conquer and corrupt half of Europe.
 
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So who's gonna believe him? He's a Kreigsmarine Capitan, (he got promoted later) what does he know about Army movements? What proof does he have? He's also dealing with the Gestapo and the SS, he's got to make sure he isn't caught, or remains uncaught for as long as possible. Maybe later he can flee Germany, but for the moment, he's being most helpful in Germany.

I believe that one part of his strategy is to create an Honorable German leader, one who is seen as a respectable foe, and not a mindless killer. It gives a chance for the allies to be willing to open discussions with someone who is seen as respectable. See his actions with the R class he beat up. He left it afloat after it disabling it, which most likely means far less deaths.

Now of course, this is a drop in the bucket of the deaths of WWII, but any deaths that can be prevented is good (except Hitler and most of his inner circle).

However, if Thompson does realize that Schreiber is a Time traveller, then maybe he could do more good by defecting.

If this war is stopped sooner, then less people have to die. On all sides.
 
The only possible thing that I could imagine Schreiber influencing is the July 20th plot to assassinate Hitler and Operation Valkyrie, but even that's a long stretch. A very, very long stretch.
 
Schreiber is also a Navy man, coming from a time when it's known that warships have thoughts, feelings, and souls, so of course he's not going to send Bismarck out to die, and of course he's going to do what he can to save his girls
 
And even if he's from the future, few historians know the exact details of army movements during Barbarosa that a Navy man like Schreiber would likely skim over. Plus, the Soviets were not in a position to properly contend with the Germans, as the purges left few competent officers, and their tanks were generally inferior to the Germans. Prepared positions may hold back the Germans, or the positions may be bypassed by the panzers.

Still, he's doing what he can. He has shipgirls working with resistance movements to rescue Jews from the Nazis. He's working with other officers who are also opposed to Hitler. He has appealed to the west for assistance.

My point is that Schreiber is only human, a human in admittedly extraordinary circumstances, but a human nonetheless. He has flaws, and he does make mistakes. If he could, he'd likely have taken out Hitler and the Nazis in 1923. Still, KUKLoyalist, you do assume much about Schreiber's capabilities.
 
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There's no way he didn't know the date that Operation Barbarossa would kick off. The Kreigsmarine was actively involved and had operations in the Baltic. He should know at least the basics, but EVEN just the date would dramatically change the course of the war. Give STAVKA 72 hours before the operation and troops are in defense posture, aircraft are dispersed, ships are out to sea. He absolutely had the power to effect this. He could save millions of lives just like that.

And this is also ignoring all the other things he could have provided in detail (Norway) or provided key points about (France and Belgium. He has had opportunity after opportunity where minimal effort and information could have dramatically altered the course of war in Allied favor. He's a flag officer, if he defects, he will absolutely be taken seriously.

And there's this fantasy of an anti-Nazi coup he's working towards. That's never going to happen. Valkyrie, as anemic and doomed as it was, took until the Soviets had clearly already won to happen. The vast bulk of German personnel stayed absolutely committed to the fight till less than 25% of Germany was unoccupied. By the time there's a willingness to support a coup, the Allies keeping the Soviets out means war with the Soviets.

And even the German opposition, so everyone except Schreiber, wanted to keep Poland, keep Austria, keep Bohemia, avoid disarmament, and refuse war trials. No German military government is going to accept occupation or war trials by any party, West or East. So any conditional surrender Germany would actually accept would mean Germany has no consequences for the murder of tens of millions, that there's even less accountability for the Final Solution than OTL (virtually no military leaders had any ethical issue with carrying out that or General Plan Ost, many were quite enthusiastic), no end to German militarism or revanchism, and the permanent embittering (justifiably) of the Soviets against the West on a deep, Visceral level.

And on top of everything, the Nazi state doesn't get destroyed. Because the Nazi Party and German State are one and the same (see SS control of the Ordo Police and their deep involvement in the killing aktions throughout Poland). His plan smells like standard clean wehrmacht stuff and has resulted in him noticeably improving the Nazi position.

Name one way he has hurt the Nazi war effort. One way in which Nazi Germany is not more successful as the result of his efforts. His nationalism means that he is willing to sacrifice tens of millions of lives rather than see a couple ships destroyed (instead making them even more deadly and effective at killing Allied service members) and actively fight for the most evil regime in human history rather than see Germany lose territory and autonomy.

The Soviets are simply the latest iteration, but the "no unconditional surrender" has made it clear that he wants Germany to, for all intents and purposes, "win" the war rather than actually be defeated. I'm assuming nothing about his abilities to change things, I simply view his refusal to even try to change things for the better and his silence to the West regarding what's going on in the East as sufficiently damning.
 
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This is assuming Stalin listens. His spies had been reporting for almost a year that Germany was planning to launch an invasion in spring of 1941 (in April '41 a spy in Prague gave him a date of the second half of June), but he dismissed them as "English provocation". Schreiber would be telling Stalin nothing that his own spies hadn't been yelling at him for almost a year.
 
A German Flag Officer defecting and giving you a solix date is a very, very different kettle of fish than multiple spy rings giving him multiple dates (some of which proved to be wrong). Schreiber can also describe general tactics (air attack on VVS bases at the start), the general axis of advance (three Army Groups), and some basics about the planned naval operations.

And again, this is ignoring that he had the same opportunity to help Norway, Belgium, or France and chose not too (and in all those cases, basic information could have easily altered the tide of the conflict). The Soviets are just the last and most egregious example of his unwillingness to take actions that would harm the Nazi, sorry, German, cause.
 
This is assuming Stalin listens. His spies had been reporting for almost a year that Germany was planning to launch an invasion in spring of 1941 (in April '41 a spy in Prague gave him a date of the second half of June), but he dismissed them as "English provocation". Schreiber would be telling Stalin nothing that his own spies hadn't been yelling at him for almost a year.
Stalin could plausibly listen (Schrieber is pretty high ranking to be passing intelligence) but more than likely it'd get mixed in with the million other reports that Germany will attack in June, Germany won't attack, Germany will attack next year, etc. that both contradict each other and wind up on Stalin's desk.
 
No Unconditional surrender does NOT mean a Nazi victory, mearly a independent Germany free of Soviet influence. It also doesn't mean that the Nazis get off Scot free, or that Germany keeps the land they have taken. This isn't a white peace, just surrender that is more favorable to Germany as a whole ( like not dividing the country).

This is also the fact that the more Schreiber contacts the Allies, the more likely it is that he will be found. Also, French leadership is pisspoor. Schreiber could give them timetables of the German plan and they would still fuck up. Not that French soldiers weren't bad, in fact, most were very brave and competent.

Not to mention the shipgirls in the resistance movement. Schreiber is involved with the underground. To what extent... I'm afraid sky only knows.
 
Also, look at the butterflies in time. Taranto happened with the original 2 Brit carriers. Pearl Harbor was a week early. France held out a week or two longer. Barbarossa quite possibly didn't have the same start date as in OTL. Hell, in this fic Rommel is on the Eastern Front and Guderian is in North Africa. Any future knowledge has to be assumed to be out the window on the part of the time travelers.

Finally, remember that Schreiber in OTL grew up in East Germany under Communism during its most oppressive period. His own father was hauled away in front of him by Communists when he was a child. Yes, he hates Hitler but he even admitted that he hated what the Soviet Union turned Germany into as well and hated Stalin as much as Hitler.
 
Even if the Barbarossa start date was the same, as a flag officer in the Kreigsmarine He would still know it. Because the Kreigsmarine Also conducted operations as part of Barbarossa.

There is no conceivable German government that would accept occupation and war trials. And it's very unlikely one could be found that would settle for pre war borders (again even in 1944 the Valkyrie plotters expected to maintain 1939 borders, including the corridor). Conditional surrender is a German victory. If it's not, there will be no surrender. It really is as simple as that (and history bears it out). Even in 1945 German forces were launching well planned and well motivated offensive actions.

The Anglo-French forces were 100% capable of checking the Germans. They even had multiple defensive plans, unimplemented, that could have countered the German offensive if they had known what it was going to look like.

What shipgirls we've seen are assisting minor resistance movements in the West. Which not only furthers his goals of presenting a good face to the West, but continues the trend of not caring about the mountains of corpses in the East. Shipgirls are absolutely capable of substantial destruction. They could destroy Eizenstgruppen, rip up rail lines, record atrocities and give them to the Allies. Many many options that aren't explored or even tried. He hasn't tried and failed, he has made a single attempt to alter the course of the war in the Allies favo. NOT ONE. ALL he's done is try to set Germany up to be better off post-war, regardless of cost or consequences.

Lastly, the Soviet Union turned Germany into an objectively less repressive, evil, and murderous regime than it was before the occupation. The DDR was not the FRG, but it was far far far far better than Nazi Germany. That he doesn't seem even vaguely conflicted about enabling the Nazis to prevent the DDR is what makes him so loathsome. He's not agonizing over it and his personal biases tip him over. He's been clear, decisive, and untroubled. Millions will burn before he gives up Anything he values. The only thing he's agonized over, that we've seen, is that basically Germany needs to lose the war.

And again, he could have altered the war before the fall of Norway OR France if he wanted to. The Soviets are just the last and most egregious example.
 
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Stalin could plausibly listen (Schrieber is pretty high ranking to be passing intelligence) but more than likely it'd get mixed in with the million other reports that Germany will attack in June, Germany won't attack, Germany will attack next year, etc. that both contradict each other and wind up on Stalin's desk.

Stalin had multiple high-ranking moles, such as Rudolf von Scheliha in the german diplomatic office and Richard Sorge in Japan, telling him an invasion was imminent (the latter getting as close as June 20)
 
*rubs face tiredly*

I am way, way too goddamn tired for this...

CEASE AND DESIST

1. I'd appreciate not reading things into the character that aren't actually there.

2. He woke up on Blucher in the Norway campaign. By that point, even if there were any way to materially influence the French campaign, it was well too late. Same goes for Norway, because by this point, no one on the allied side is prepared to counter the invasion short of Blucher going and shooting up the transports. Furthermore, he only became a flag officer after France fell and he was given Bisko. Prior to that, he was a captain of a singular cruiser. The newest in the Navy, perhaps. But still just a single cruiser. And after keeping Blucher intact- which requires some fancy heroics itself -he's already going to be under scrutiny for that. And that is why he got Bismarck at all. He was in absolutely, positively, no position to go off and defect at any point. Even before he became the face of the Kriegsmarine.

Even were he to somehow sneak off a warship in the middle of a war and find transport to Britain...you think that does any good? Ask Rudolph Hess how the Brits thought about high ranking Germans going to try and talk them into peace deals. Even assuming they trust him at all, which they have no reason to do*, he's a Captain. If he starts spouting about Army plans, they'd think he's a raving madman. The French hardly trusted their own intel (it's not like there were no signs that the Germans were going through the forests) as it was.

If he tried to do that with the Soviets after becoming an Admiral? HA HA. Stalin had actual intel telling him the Germans were going to attack and flat out ignored it. He's not going to trust some random German Admiral telling him this shit. He didn't trust his own intelligence service! Or, if you prefer, he also ignored the British. And the Americans. And the exact goddamn day of the invasion.

Soviet spy Richard Sorge also gave Stalin the exact German launch date, but Sorge and other informers had previously given different invasion dates that passed peacefully before the actual invasion.

Yeah, Stalin is believing the German Admiral deciding to pass him the date. Totally.

*Relatedly, Schreiber has no reason to trust the allies. The British strung along German resistance movements IRL. And I'm not talking about the Valkyrie plotters. Toss in the whole 'throw all of Eastern Europe under a bus' and he has absolutely no reason to believe the allies will listen to him. Not without first making himself indispensable to them.

3. The above ignores that Schreiber has very goddamn good reason to not like the Soviets, nor to want to help them. Imagine, for a second, that someone goes into your home and shoots your father in the face. You wake up before this happened, and if you let the man who shot your father get beat up by someone else despite the fact you could stop it, would you do it? Schreiber is not a perfect character. He's a very flawed human being, who had a traumatic loss of his family as a kid. He saw it happen to many people. His father is a child in East Germany right this moment. You would have to be a goddamn saint to go 'yeah, I'll help the people who are going to kill my father in a few decades. The ones who put my country under their boot for those decades, and refused to let go'. He's not helping the Nazis. He's not going gungho on LET'S KILL ALL THE SLAVS.

He's, as a flawed human being, trying to prevent the very real suffering that he- and a lot of people he knew -had to suffer under. That doing so is hurting the Soviets is, in his mind, an unfortunate side effect of this. And this is a perfectly normal reaction to have, considering what he grew up in. He has hated the Soviets and their lackeys his entire goddamn life. You don't get over that and decide 'imma get a ton of my countrymen slaughtered to help the people I've hated since they took my father as a kid.'

Also, since it was posted as I was writing this:

NO. You do not get to call him a Nazi supporter, when he had to physically stop himself from shooting Hitler in the face.

4. Of course he's going to keep Bismarck and Blucher alive. Let's ignore all the above stuff for a second. Because if you're going to say he should have let Bismarck (and Blucher) sink like they did? Sure. Why not.

You're telling the man to purposely watch his daughters die. Bismarck isn't quite as much a daughter as Blucher, but the latter? Schreiber loves her like the daughter he never had. He's outright said she's his daughter. And you're saying that, instead of doing everything he can to make his daughter survive, he should go and get them- and all the men trusting him with their lives, let's remember Bismarck took over 2 thousand men with her IRL -get killed? He should look Blucher in the eye and lie to her about loving her and keeping her alive?

Okay, so Schreiber isn't a heartless motherfucker who will watch his own daughter die, and indeed, make it happen that way. Shock and awe.

5. He doesn't want to see Germany win. He doesn't want to watch millions die in the camps and what have you. He hates the Nazis every bit as much as the Soviets, and is working primarily with the more moderate parts of the German resistance. And, contrary to popular belief, there are moderates in that group. The German Resistance, IRL, was disunited and never agreed on anything. That the Valkyrie plotters are remembered is because they actually had the power to try something.

Oster, notably, is Schreiber's major confidant. The man who kept the Resistance going even at the height of German success in the war, and who got arrested for helping Jews escape. Louis is also there.

You know why he does what he does? Because Schreiber needs to get himself into a hero. He needs to make himself someone the German people look up to. He needs to use the Nazi propaganda tools to his own ends, to create a cult of personality of his own. He can use that to sway people to his side. He can take control, even if he needs to use the firepower of the ships to do it. He has their loyalty, after all.

And again, since it came up:

You assume there is more than one ship girl running around in the resistance. Or that it's safe to have some girl going around blowing shit up. If it got out, and it would there's always survivors, it would succeed in only tipping the Nazi leadership off that something is going on. And point eyes directly at the guy who knows the most about it.

6. I am getting very sick and tired of this idea that he is trying to make GERMANY STRONK. Schreiber has outright said he wants Germany to lose and the Nazis to be removed. He hates the Soviets, that's his only goddamn condition. If he needs to give the Poles clay or what the fuck else you want, he'll do it in a heartbeat, so long as it keeps Stalin out. I feel like there's way too goddamn much being read into this 'no unconditional surrender' line. Take Japan and the desire to keep Hirohito from being dragged before a court. It's the same thing here.

Do whatever else you want, but don't let Stalin go and rape half the country.

He's been building the resistance, his own version of it, since basically day one. He's trying to build a relationship with motherfucking Winston Churchill, specifically to start passing information and work a way to get Germany to surrender to the West.

Schreiber is not a Nazi, nor a Nazi sympathizer. He is not trying to help them or make it to where Germany gets 'Peace with Honor' or other such nonsense.


My god, as a Social Democrat who-verges-Socialist, I hate the Nazis with a fiery passion. Why the flying fuck would I write a character who is wanting to help them?


*sigh*


This probably sounds harsher than I want it to. But I am well and truly pissed off at this point, from work and having to come home to this. CEASE IT, OR I WILL LET THE MODS DO WHAT THEY WANT ABOUT IT.
 
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