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Changing Destiny (Kancolle)

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You know, it only just occurred to me that Soviet Northern Fleet destroyers generally assisted in the last leg of the Arctic Convoys. Their gonna overhear British and American shipgirls chatting with each pther over the radio and realize they can do that too. Assuming the language barrier isn't an issue between ships, they'll also realize that the nature of the conversations indicate that ship spirits can "break through" to their crews. So one way or the other, the Soviets are gonna find out about this.
 
obssesednuker said:
You know, it only just occurred to me that Soviet Northern Fleet destroyers generally assisted in the last leg of the Arctic Convoys. Their gonna overhear British and American shipgirls chatting with each pther over the radio and realize they can do that too. Assuming the language barrier isn't an issue between ships, they'll also realize that the nature of the conversations indicate that ship spirits can "break through" to their crews. So one way or the other, the Soviets are gonna find out about this.
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Cue Stalin disbanding the Soviet Navy to prevent any shipgirls from becoming a political threat. And then Gangut figuring out how to leave her hull to stage a second Communist Revolution against him.
 
obssesednuker said:
You know, it only just occurred to me that Soviet Northern Fleet destroyers generally assisted in the last leg of the Arctic Convoys. Their gonna overhear British and American shipgirls chatting with each pther over the radio and realize they can do that too. Assuming the language barrier isn't an issue between ships, they'll also realize that the nature of the conversations indicate that ship spirits can "break through" to their crews. So one way or the other, the Soviets are gonna find out about this.
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My suspicion is that the girls have language skills roughly comparable to the crew, and if you are going to post your English-fluent radio operators anyplace in the Soviet Navy, it would be on the Northern Fleet ships that would be communicating with the RN/USN escorts to prevent accidental friendly fire incidents. Mind you, they probably also have some serious NKVD presence aboard to keep the crew in line and to snoop on their allies.
 
SisterJeanne said:
My suspicion is that the girls have language skills roughly comparable to the crew, and if you are going to post your English-fluent radio operators anyplace in the Soviet Navy, it would be on the Northern Fleet ships that would be communicating with the RN/USN escorts to prevent accidental friendly fire incidents. Mind you, they probably also have some serious NKVD presence aboard to keep the crew in line and to snoop on their allies.
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Oh yeah. I'd expect the initial recognition would be the oddities with the radios, which is going to have the NKVD jumping to the initial conclusion that there are spies among the crews. But their investigation is going to go in strange directions when they start getting stuff like, for example, the radios being used even when the people they post to watch the radios don't see anyone using the radios. Then there's the potential information coming in from Western spies. And eventually Soviet ship spirits start breaking through to members of their crews. Then comes the inevitable conversation...

"Comrade Commissar, we have discovered that the people using the ship radios... are the ships themselves."
"..."
"Comrade Commissar? I'm not the only one, everyone else whose come with me here has also-"
"Let me get some hard vodka, I have a feeling I'll need it."
 
obssesednuker said:
"Comrade Commissar, we have discovered that the people using the ship radios... are the ships themselves."
"..."
"Comrade Commissar? I'm not the only one, everyone else whose come with me here has also-"
"Let me get some hard vodka, I have a feeling I'll need it."
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Soviet Shipgirl: Yes! Let us share drinks as Comrades!
Crewman and Commissar: O.O
 
Also, different thought: it occurs to me that there is one land theater that Utah could be sent to where she could do immediate and hefty damage to the Axis war effort that isn't the Eastern Front: North Africa. Of course, it'd also be kinda hard to keep her a secret when Guderian and the rest of the survivors of the North Africa Korps stumble back into Tobruk to report they had been torn to shreds by a woman with the apparent power of a battleship.
 
Darth Herobrine said:
Soviet Shipgirl: Yes! Let us share drinks as Comrades!
Crewman and Commissar: O.O
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You can't forget the cucumber sandwiches. Where did they get the cucumbers in the middle of the Artic Circle?
...don't ask...

obssesednuker said:
Also, different thought: it occurs to me that there is one land theater that Utah could be sent to where she could do immediate and hefty damage to the Axis war effort that isn't the Eastern Front: North Africa. Of course, it'd also be kinda hard to keep her a secret when Guderian and the rest of the survivors of the North Africa Korps stumble back into Tobruk to report they had been torn to shreds by a woman with the apparent power of a battleship.
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Maybe, maybe not. Either way its going to take a while before she feels up to leaving her surviving crew/support group.
 
Sir_Gaea said:
Maybe, maybe not. Either way its going to take a while before she feels up to leaving her surviving crew/support group.
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Reassign them as shore-liasons with the Army? With Utah herself as "convoy escort"? ^^ given that she's the -only- battleship who can travel the sand seas, it'd make perfect sense. and if the Luftwaffe come hunting, they're in for a fuck-ass nasty surprise.

Not to mention the tanks. Whoo, man, they wouldn't know what hit them.

On the other hand, getting her and her surviving crew from Pearl to North Africa is going to be a challenge, especially as I don't think they have planes heavy enough to take a Shipgirl, and she's going to need to keep her crew close.
 
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Vyrexuviel said:
Reassign them as shore-liasons with the Army? With Utah herself as "convoy escort"? ^^ given that she's the -only- battleship who can travel the sand seas, it'd make perfect sense. and if the Luftwaffe come hunting, they're in for a fuck-ass nasty surprise.

Not to mention the tanks. Whoo, man, they wouldn't know what hit them.

On the other hand, getting her and her surviving crew from Pearl to North Africa is going to be a challenge, especially as I don't think they have planes heavy enough to take a Shipgirl, and she's going to need to keep her crew close.
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This is assuming there isn't any sort of checks against ship-girls on land. If Utah exerts her steel-hull weight over the area of her feet when her rigging is out then she's not going to be doing much on land.
 
PhyrricSteel said:
This is assuming there isn't any sort of checks against ship-girls on land. If Utah exerts her steel-hull weight over the area of her feet when her rigging is out then she's not going to be doing much on land.
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This depends entirely on which assumptions about shipgirl physics Sky is using. Canon provides no answer and the fanon is wildly all over the place.
 
CV12Hornet said:
This depends entirely on which assumptions about shipgirl physics Sky is using. Canon provides no answer and the fanon is wildly all over the place.
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From what we've seen, they do seem to retain their strength and resiliency on land without additional weight. Last update with Utah had her ripping open bulkheads on the sinking to rescue trapped crew men. And then there's that part with (WW1?) German probable shipgirls rescuing Jews in Holland. All that alone would make them basically the ultimate fighting force on land, even if they can't effectively use their riggings on land. The biggest potential stumbling block is if there is some sort of effect on them if they get too far from the sea.
 
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Remember though that Frieda is still getting the hang of being a girl and it took her a bit to have the idea to just Kool-Aid Man her way through the wall. Utah we still have yet to see set foot on land, all the work she was doing was on the water. Utah is going to need a fairly lengthy time to process every thing that is going on with her now.
 
Spectre said:
You know I wonder if Chunni boat is as Chunni in Changing Destiny considering her CMA has likely been butterfly'd away.
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Probably not as much, considering most of it likely comes from her torpedoing of USS Quincy. That said, before getting torpedoed the Heavy Cruiser was surrounded on all sides and went straight at the Japanese Flagship and nearly bagged the Japanese Admiral onboard.
 
Thorthemighty said:
Probably not as much, considering most of it likely comes from her torpedoing of USS Quincy. That said, before getting torpedoed the Heavy Cruiser was surrounded on all sides and went straight at the Japanese Flagship and nearly bagged the Japanese Admiral onboard.
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In fact his destruction of the chart room of the Chokai, and from there their inability to hug the coast of the islands on their way back from the attack, was one of the reasons admiral Mikawa decided not to penetrate further into the anchorage and instead turn back to get out of naval planes range before sunrise therefore not finding the half unloaded transports.
 
Always Late said:
The Atlanta is basically the same concept as Tenryuu, but done better because America.

If you want to cut down on the stuff to deal with, throw that hunk of junk into the drink, go over to that British destroyer, and shake her down for those Oerlikons.:V
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I'm pretty sure the Atlanta is what you get when you cross Tenryuu with Dido and give it massive top-weight problems, so yes, the US version of the classical IJN design problem. (As a side note, I find it curious that "Jap" (3/5 characters from "Japan") is considered racist because of use in wartime propaganda for one war, while the same abbreviation (well, 1/35 more abbreviated from initial word length in the British case) to get "Brit" (4/7 characters from "Britain"), as used by the opposing side in MANY wars, is not. Conclusion: oversensitive due to refusal to come to terms with what they did.)

Oerlikons are not what you look for to replace the 1.1-inch (28mm). For those you're looking for Bofors.
Oerlikons are what you replace M2 Brownings with.

So you need to mug the British for more than just the Oerlikons.
 
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Snickering at the idea of Delhi getting mugged for her pom poms, since she doesn't have any Bofors yet.
 
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The 40MM/L60 won't enter service until April, with the first shipboard installations in June and July, and the US has it's own Oerlikons already in series production, so no need to try to take Delhi's. And production is about to go nuts on the Oerlikon. The US will produce 124,735 of the guns from December 1941 to August 1945, along with 10,000 water-cooled Bofors 40mm/L60 guns for the Navy alone, with another 30,000 for the Army and export.

However, even more than that, there has not yet been the wartime experience showing that heavy AA isn't as effective as expected, so ships won't be equipped with the horrifying (for the Japanese) number of AA mounts that they would have later in the war. I'd expect before wartime experience, even if you wave a magic wand and make the guns and mounts available, for 4x40mm mounts to replace 4x1.1" mounts on a one-for-one basis, with the same for the Oerlikon 20mm replacing the .50 BMG.
 
PAGDTenno said:
The 40MM/L60 won't enter service until April, with the first shipboard installations in June and July, and the US has it's own Oerlikons already in series production, so no need to try to take Delhi's. And production is about to go nuts on the Oerlikon. The US will produce 124,735 of the guns from December 1941 to August 1945, along with 10,000 water-cooled Bofors 40mm/L60 guns for the Navy alone, with another 30,000 for the Army and export.

However, even more than that, there has not yet been the wartime experience showing that heavy AA isn't as effective as expected, so ships won't be equipped with the horrifying (for the Japanese) number of AA mounts that they would have later in the war. I'd expect before wartime experience, even if you wave a magic wand and make the guns and mounts available, for 4x40mm mounts to replace 4x1.1" mounts on a one-for-one basis, with the same for the Oerlikon 20mm replacing the .50 BMG.
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Depends of how much Thompson's theories and exercises have influenced the naval thinking. At it is I'm almost sure that he and Halsey will use whatever pulls they have to bolt as many light AA guns they can get their hands on, even if it means doing some moonlight requisition from the Army and Marines stores (and wouldn't that be ironic?).
 
BF110C4 said:
Depends of how much Thompson's theories and exercises have influenced the naval thinking. At it is I'm almost sure that he and Halsey will use whatever pulls they have to bolt as many light AA guns they can get their hands on, even if it means doing some moonlight requisition from the Army and Marines stores (and wouldn't that be ironic?).
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Thompson may well know about the overestimated effectiveness of heavy AA (probably does), but he's a tactical commander (a relatively junior one at that), and there are limits to what he can do. From what we've seen in-story, he's been focusing on improving fighter direction and fighter tactics, which is the most effective mode of fleet air defense. And why would requisitioning from Marine Corps stores be ironic? The Corps is part of the Navy, and generally uses Navy equipment. Furthermore, in terms of what's actually available right now, well, that's bunches of .50 BMG and .30 machineguns, neither of which has the punch to knock down a WW2-era aircraft from a ship. (.50 is plenty for a plane because aircraft are generally much more accurate)
 
PAGDTenno said:
(.50 is plenty for a plane because aircraft are generally much more accurate)
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Don't the aircraft bullets have more gunpowder than same caliber of hand-held or portable weapons?

I suspect you could not load a .50 plane machine gun with rounds intended for a Browning, or the other way around.
 
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