Funny thing is there's also a wildbow wog that states that that, suicide or an endbringer killing them also triggers a proximity move except that nothing like that happened in canon which is why we say you are free to ignore them.
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The best solution is to throw Eidolon at his strongest at them. Eidolon drains the Butcher shards with his shard eating trick and permanently gets rid of the Butcher.
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The problem is Eidolon doesn't know about his shard-eating trick yet.
I very clearly said in my comment that I was talking about Eidolon at his strongest. At his strongest state in canon, he knows about his shard-eating trick.
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Or Glaistig Uaine. She pretty much hard counters Butcher, no?
AntaeusTheGiant
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Or else she runs screaming when she realizes the Butcher shard would make all her ghosts have a voice in her head....
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Don't forget he then looks at what's left of the Butcher, and everyone else who knows what he just did, and politely informs them, "...and I'll fuckin do it again!!"
No that's exactly why Aisha would do it.
That said though socialization with her school-mates seems like a terrible way to socialize her.
Wait a second does Naturecraft also work on animals or is it just plants? It could definitely work with sufficiently plant-like animals but I'm unsure how plant-like those snails could get before their shells stopped having the desired properties.
Also you know that lava bird that he made? I bet that it could lay some interesting eggs.
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...Brew booze with Call Beads in place of Grain, and use them as Libations for a shard. XP
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I'd assume that both Glaistig and Butcher are 'gestalt networks', as Apeiron characterized the latter. So I would assume the networks could combine, resulting in something wierd like allowing Glaistig to directly wield the power of her Ghosts without having to summon them.
IIRC there was already wog what Naturecraft only works with plants, so divine crafting animals is not available.
A Butcher Teigu... My understanding is that the Butcher's Shard functions a bit like a malware virus, infiltrating a target Shard and subverting its programs, effectively enslaving the new Shard to the original Shard (although the the effect appears reversed to the simple meat-bag hosts). Appearance?
A Butcher Teigu could function like the Fairy Queen's shard. In which case it might be a bit amusing to have the Teigu look like a magic wand. I'm sure that the world would remain calm if it was discovered that Lethe was prancing around with a wand that could steal parahuman abilities with a simple tap on the head.
Alternatively, I have seen a lot of fics in which QA gets a physical (or metaphysical) body that looks like an spider. I'm inclined to suggest that a Butcher Teigu should look like a tarantula hawk, those wasps that deposit their eggs into living tarantulas so that the larvae can eat the still-living host. QA and Taylor have been terrifying people across the multiverse with their bugs for years. It's time for them to share our dread. 👾
Arimai
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I hope they get to action soon. I don't understand why he's playing this game when he can destroy the Nine and the gangs and not worry about the Simurgh.
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Shadow Archon
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A Butcher Teigu could function like the Fairy Queen's shard. In which case it might be a bit amusing to have the Teigu look like a magic wand. I'm sure that the world would remain calm if it was discovered that Lethe was prancing around with a wand that could steal parahuman abilities with a simple tap on the head.
A Butcher Teigu could also essentially be made into a Worm version of Frostmourne. Considering Parahuman souls are intimately connected to their shards, by absorbing their powers, it could even eat their souls.
Alright but, like, how much of a plant exactly? And are we talking taxonomically or behaviorally?
So probably a Consumable type Teigu but in a way that restores itself using the bodies of ones enemies.A Butcher Teigu... My understanding is that the Butcher's Shard functions a bit like a malware virus, infiltrating a target Shard and subverting its programs, effectively enslaving the new Shard to the original Shard (although the the effect appears reversed to the simple meat-bag hosts). Appearance?
A Butcher Teigu could function like the Fairy Queen's shard. In which case it might be a bit amusing to have the Teigu look like a magic wand. I'm sure that the world would remain calm if it was discovered that Lethe was prancing around with a wand that could steal parahuman abilities with a simple tap on the head.
Alternatively, I have seen a lot of fics in which QA gets a physical (or metaphysical) body that looks like an spider. I'm inclined to suggest that a Butcher Teigu should look like a tarantula hawk, those wasps that deposit their eggs into living tarantulas so that the larvae can eat the still-living host. QA and Taylor have been terrifying people across the multiverse with their bugs for years. It's time for them to share our dread. 👾
Alternatively it might act kind of like the Blasphemies and respawn itself from you. Possibly you from itself as well.
I feel like the biggest issue is that it doesn't steal powers from others but rather grants itself to others.
Shadow Archon
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Taxonomically. He could potentially make some moving topiary animals.
"Potentially" nothing; even other Parahumans aside, Parahumans like Barrow or Agnes Court, Blasto alone means that if it's just a matter of taxonomy that shit's applicable to everything.
Edit: ironically I do not believe that corral would be subject to those effects despite them being plant-analogues within their environments.
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Shadow Archon
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Yeah, Joe could go full Scorn with plants if he wanted.
Joe has had all the wet tinkering for a while now. Big O tech lets him turn people into animals. The Chimera tech specifically, Big O had a mad scientist in season 1 turn a kid into a cat. It wouldn't be a stretch if he could go all the way and genetically transfigure people into plants.
Of course he definitely won't go that route.
I feel like something being a part of the Kingdom Plantae is a bit of a uninteresting criteria to be subject to the Naturecraft Unnatural Skill; there are a number of non-plant organisms that make up environments the way that plants do. Corral, barnacles, jellyfish both upside-down and stingless, Sunfish, hydrothermal vent tubeworms, mushrooms; they're all similar to plants.
Shadow Archon
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Okay, let me just grab the WoG:
BCF WoG Discord Channel said:
Now, when they mention "use crafting perks on plants," that's just Joe like physically touching a Tree and crafting it immediately into something with all of his perks coming online.
He can't do that to animals, but considering all the genetic engineering and other wet tinkering tech he has access to, it's not a huge limitation really. Besides, once he gets Truth(the FMA 800 point perk) all of his alchemy gets considered as crafting with his hands, so... at that point I don't think there's really any limit to his ability to craft things by touching them.
I'm not entirely sure how this is a response to what I said but I'm glad that you had fun writing it!
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Joe don't want the rest of the world to panic, by acting contrary to the data his anti-precog is feeding to the various thinkers. Plus acting too soon doesn't benefit him in any way. Waiting for the S9 to approach is objectively the smart move.
And from the in-story perspective, Joe is only waiting a day. The only reason we find it agonizingly slow is because this story is juggling a bazillion plot points, so it take months IRL for a day in story. Also the reduced posting schedule doesn't help.
But enough about that dead horse.
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Shadow Archon
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I'm not entirely sure how this is a response to what I said but I'm glad that you had fun writing it!
I was grabbing a quote from Lord himself on why the combo of Naturecraft and Demeter's blessing lets him craft directly with plants but not with animals? That seems pretty on point with what we were talking about?
Not really. That quote specifies that Demeter's Blessing applies to plants and animals and that it in addition to Naturecraft allow Crafting Perks to apply to "natural" growth but that quote doesn't specify what else Naturecraft applies to or why; just that animals aren't one of those things.
Edit: even then I bet that that quote implicitly specifies conventionally...Volitional organisms for a lack of a better word.
Edit: like I bet that if Joe had something in a egg or chrysalis fetal state or something he'd be able to guide the growth of it reasonable well.
Edit: thinking about it I bet that if Joe made a plant that pupated into a animal, like those sea-slugs or something, he'd be able to flash-grow them that way.
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