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Burning them means you immediately release a tiny portion of the microplastics into the atmosphere but thats about it and the vast majority gets combusted. Landfilling them means they slowly leach into everything at a greater percent but it takes years. You also produce enough plastic trash that both are being done depending on the availability and cost of incineration.
 
[X] Plan To the Moon!

To hell with it.

[X] Plan: Dusty trails of distant worlds
-[X] 2565/2595 Resources (30 Reserve), 43+1 dice rolled
-[X]Accept Glushko's Proposal
Infra 11/7 dice, 645R
-[X]Western USSR High Capacity Roads, 1 die (55 R)
-[X]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 4 dice (220R)
-[X]Expanded Technical Services, 2 dice (100 R)
-[X]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 3 dice (150R)
-[X]ASU, 1 die (120R)
HI 7/8 dice, 570R
-[X]Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion, 4 Dice (380 R)
-[X]Severouralsk MMK(Stage 3), 1 die (70R)
-[X]Moscow Coal Basin Mechanization, 2 dice (120R)
Rocketry 2/2 dice, Net 0 change to budget
-[X] Cancel Project
--[X] Venera Program
-[X] Second Generation Light Launcher Development
LCI 12/12 dice, 860R
-[X] Air Conditioner Plants (Stage 4), 5 dice (300R)
-[X] Core Chemical Feedstock Efforts, 2 dice (140R)
-[X] Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 2 dice (150R)
-[X] Television Plants(Stage 1), 2 dice (180R)
-[X] Calculator Commercialization, 1 die (90R)
Agri 3/4 dice, 200R
-[X]Second Generation Herbicides, 2 dice (160R)
-[X]Rural-Zone Assessment, 1 die (40R)
Services 6/6 dice, 290R
-[X]Distribution of Banking Branches, 1 die (40R)
-[X]Expanded Childcare(Stage 1), 2 dice (70R)
-[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 2 dice (120R)
-[X]Hotel-Enterprises, 1 die (60R)
Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice, (0R)
-[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion), 1 die
-[X]Justify Lacking Agricultural Performance, 1 die
-[X]Equivocate on the Coal Trade, 1 die
-[X]Determine Coalitional Alignments, 1 die

Well, this is a Glushko's moon plan; At 15 RpT it's right against the budget cap, with Venera program being killed to free up budget for 2nd-gen LLs to hopefully free up more RLA cores sooner for being blown up on the launch table (and thus hopefully allow for earlier moonshot). With vacuum electronics being autokilled at the end of this turn and plan, and RLA-interplanetary scheduled to end next year, 10 to 15 RpT of space budget should be available next turn, allowing for space stations and nuclear engines.
 
This is my first time voting on this quest since following it for a year. Just made the account so I hope that I am voting the correct way.

[X] Plan: Clear the Roads and Raise the Waters (Kill the Moon ver.)
 
Blackstar said:
Burning them means you immediately release a tiny portion of the microplastics into the atmosphere but thats about it and the vast majority gets combusted.
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To my way of thinking, it also means that we are explicitly viewing the airborne microplastics as "bad news" unintended byproducts that we should theoretically be minimizing with things like stack scrubbers and hotter, cleaner combustion, which means that in the long run things on that front are likely to improve rather than get worse.
 
7th Hex said:
That's one thing the plant expansion has going for it at least, it's only one time construction costs instead of an ongoing research budget that makes our budget issues worse.
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Mm, I always forget that the construction budget doesn't count against our space spending limit.

Hianny said:
Personally i think hotels are far more important than garbage. Right now we already have a garbage operation up and running where it can't keep up with demand but everything that is left over kan just be landfilled to no great loss. This stand in contrast to the total lack of hotels as an industry sure there might be a few small coops doing it but there is no larger initiative which is going to be very detrimental to our efforts to promote internal tourism or just for all the businessmen having to constantly travel between cities for meetings and deals.

I also realised that another LCI project i personally didn't pick this turn but i think we should do soon is synthetic rubber as our car industry likely is increasing the demand massively and natural rubber isn't nearly as good which is going to be important now that roads are being build.
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Hm, hotels could be covered some by private enterprises (OK, the size of the hotels is likely limited), but garbage is entirely down to the ministry.

Internal tourism is probably good tho, so you may be correct even so.

Also, are you sure natural rubber is worse than synthetic rubber?

Simon_Jester said:
Can you solve plastic smog by burning stuff really hot or installing scrubbers or something?
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I think a combined gas/garbage or coal/garbage plant would lead to more complete burning (the first being better than the second obviously). Similar to how adding a little LH2 to the combustion chamber of a kerlox rocket engine leads to a far cleaner flame.

Also, grinding the plastic into fine powder would help - that approach makes coal plants alot cleaner too.

Burning the stuff real hot is also a potential application for nuclear power. Though a better application might be using a nuclear heat source in a recycling plant.

Regards,

fasquardon
 
If we expand our rocketry plants enough, we can just solve our waste problems by dumping it on Venus or something.
 
If you want to destroy plastic waste, one of the things you could explore is Pyrolysis, since it can convert plastic waste back into precursor hydrocarbons, though there are other pollutant issues inherent in the process.
 
I don't get why one of the top 3 plans has hydrological stabilization measures (which we've been told is included in an autodam project next plan), and why two of them have Moscow Coal, explicitly the WORST of the coal options.

[X] Plan To the Moon!

[X] Plan Proving a point

no plan fully convinces me, but I'll go for these two.
 
fasquardon said:
Also, are you sure natural rubber is worse than synthetic rubber
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It is for automotive purposes I think, and that is its main use.

"Generally, synthetic rubber is better than natural rubber in terms of temperature resistance, ageing resistance and resistance to abrasion. Synthetic rubber also tends to be cheaper to produce."

"On the other hand, natural rubber is known for its properties as a strong, flexible and heat-resistant material used to create latex products."

Resistence to abrasion, temperature and aging are really nice qualities to have in wheels. This will also be import substitution.
 
Pittauro said:
I don't get why one of the top 3 plans has hydrological stabilization measures (which we've been told is included in an autodam project next plan), and why two of them have Moscow Coal, explicitly the WORST of the coal options.
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Moscow coal is shit, but it's a smaller project than Donetz so we can finish it quicker and move the dice to something better sooner, it isn't all the way up in the north like Pechora but right in the middle of our logistics network and close by a bunch of our industry with slightly more coal to boot, and since I'm not dumping that many dice in an attempt to do all the canal progress now I don't feel the need to start pushing Kuzbas until the canals are a bit closer to completing funding given the transport costs we'll be eating moving the coal back without them.
 
Vote Called for
[X] Plan: Clear the Roads and Raise the Waters (Kill the Moon ver.)
-[X] 2575/2595 Resources (20 Reserve), 43 dice rolled
-[X]Cancel It
Infra 11/7 dice, 645R
-[X]Western USSR High Capacity Roads, 1 die (55 R)
-[X]Ural Region High Capacity Roads, 4 dice (220R)
-[X]Expanded Technical Services, 2 dice (100 R)
-[X]Unified Canal System(Step 2 of 3), 3 dice (150R)
-[X]ASU, 1 die (120R)
HI 7/8 dice, 570R
-[X]Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion, 4 Dice (380 R)
-[X]Severouralsk MMK(Stage 3), 1 die (70R)
-[X]Moscow Coal Basin Mechanization, 2 dice (120R)
Rocketry 1/2 dice, 100R
-[X]Stalingrad Plant Expansions, 1 die (100R)
LCI 11/12 dice, 770R
-[X] Air Conditioner Plants (Stage 4), 5 dice (300R)
-[X] Core Chemical Feedstock Efforts, 2 dice (140R)
-[X] Second Generation Plastics(Stage 2), 2 dice (150R)
-[X] Television Plants(Stage 1), 1 die (90R)
-[X] Calculator Commercialization, 1 die (90R)
Agri 3/4 dice, 200R
-[X]Second Generation Herbicides, 2 dice (160R)
-[X]Rural-Zone Assessment, 1 die (40R)
Services 6/6 dice, 290R
-[X]Distribution of Banking Branches, 1 die (40R)
-[X]Expanded Childcare(Stage 1), 2 dice (70R)
-[X]Transportation Enterprises(Stage 1), 2 dice (120R)
-[X]Hotel-Enterprises, 1 die (60R)
Bureaucracy 4/4 Dice, (0R)
-[X]Dedicate Focus Towards a Project(Novokuznetsk Steel Mill Expansion), 1 die
-[X]Justify Lacking Agricultural Performance, 1 die
-[X]Equivocate on the Coal Trade, 1 die
-[X]Determine Coalitional Alignments, 1 die

Vote Called, Rolling Dice
Blackstar threw 12 100-faced dice. Reason: Main Dice Total: 637
92 92 56 56 36 36 67 67 85 85 6 6 80 80 93 93 21 21 19 19 43 43 39 39
Blackstar threw 12 100-faced dice. Reason: Main Dice Total: 703
44 44 82 82 91 91 83 83 72 72 34 34 91 91 75 75 85 85 31 31 4 4 11 11
Blackstar threw 12 100-faced dice. Reason: Main Dice Total: 682
56 56 87 87 94 94 58 58 71 71 47 47 41 41 13 13 28 28 83 83 48 48 56 56
Blackstar threw 7 100-faced dice. Reason: Main Dice Total: 219
47 47 38 38 4 4 41 41 7 7 37 37 45 45
Blackstar threw 11 100-faced dice. Reason: Internal Politics Total: 413
10 10 31 31 44 44 23 23 14 14 18 18 76 76 12 12 29 29 88 88 68 68
Blackstar threw 12 100-faced dice. Reason: External Politics Total: 672
88 88 66 66 11 11 90 90 60 60 45 45 51 51 81 81 40 40 31 31 75 75 34 34
Blackstar threw 4 100-faced dice. Reason: Troika? Total: 228
50 50 87 87 79 79 12 12
 
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