The whole thing literally relies on other politicians involved playing ball. Half of Plan Backstab is courting Vor, which together with Seym constitute 2 of the 3 big players.
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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan MNKh Edition
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I guess, but i still object to the idea that itd lead to Vor using the MoD to 'hardcoup' as a response, especially because plan backstab is courting him hard.
Well, we could actually make a plan focused on neutral options that left us with positive outlooks across the board.
I also think we need to consider the delta in relationships. For example, Vorotnikov moving from -1 to -3 is much less of a deal than Ryzhkov moving from 4 to -3, so even though the ending relationship is the same, I think Ryzhkov would be much more upset than Vorotnikov in this scenario.
By contrast, Semyonov starts at -5, so him moving to -4 would probably mean Balakirev had a better overall relation with him than a Ryzhkov whose relation had dropped to -3.
And I really don't think that everyone thinking that Balakirev is a bit of an ass is going to be good for the ministry. I think that will isolate him politically at a time when we are going to need to deal with the oil crisis soon.
Your point about brainworms is one that I have had in mind... I thought that I had avoided picking any options that upset any player too much. But... Maybe we should only take nice options from players that we fully back.
So no pushing unions and pushing economic commissions at the same time, that sort of thing.
Well, what do you think is coherent here?
So you want capitalism where you are the capitalist, got it.
Without unions, the workers of the Soviet Union are subjects of the ministry, not its masters.
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[X]Plan Bridge Too Far For Zimyanin
[X]Plan Ryzzing our Way to Victory (Vorotnikov/Ryzkhov Duopoly)
[X]Plan Ryzzing our Way to Victory (Vorotnikov/Ryzkhov Duopoly)
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I think a neutral plan needs to do that, and mot look like we are being too greedy and look like a Voznesensky.
I'd say make a ally outside the Troika, appoint one of the deputies people don't care about too much, don't attack the power base of any of the three too much and try to stay lean/not try too many things at once.
I will see about trying to cook up something that makes sense for a neutral option.
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No, I worry about the unions because a transition to socialism would break thier power as much as it would the capitalists, as unions are fundamentally a tool for managing capitalism. That and to be honest it kinda feels like an admission of defeat to do it as the soviets
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Honestly? I think that all these plans that try to balance between 2 of the 3, or that try to faction build while moderately pissing off all 3 of them, are a mistake. We should've just picked one, back him to the hilt and cross our fingers that our patron can do the heavy political maneuvering for us.
Are there even any plans like that?
Are there even any plans like that?
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[X]Plan The Most Magnificent Backstab
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- New York
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- He/Him
[X]Plan Ryzzing our Way to Victory (Vorotnikov/Ryzkhov Duopoly)
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- The United States
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Well, so I can have something happy to think about before I take a quiz and die, also because it has a bit of a lead now and am feeling the desire to behold glory.
Vote Called For:
[X]Plan Ryzzing our Way to Victory (Vorotnikov/Ryzkhov Duopoly)
-[X]Deputy:
--[X]Support Ryzhkov's Choice(Deputy) (-5/-10/5)
-[X]Neutral:
--[X]Reach out to Delegates (1/1/-2)
--[X]Commit to Moscow Renovations (3/1/2)
--[X]Leverage Central Asian Politicians (-3/-1/-1)
--[X]Ally with Zimyanin (2/-3/-2)
-[X]Vorotnikov
--[X]Expand Agricultural Development (2/0/0)
--[X]Uphold the Mikoyanist System (6/-5/-3)
--[X]Discuss Cultural Production (3/-4/-2)
-[X]Ryzhkov
--[X]Reform Domestic Patent Laws (0/-2/3)
--[X]Soviet-Japanese Enterprises (-3/-2/4)
Edit: Lets rock, its time for swan lake and for nothing to happen in Moscow
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJoB7y6Ncs&vl=en
Vote Called For:
[X]Plan Ryzzing our Way to Victory (Vorotnikov/Ryzkhov Duopoly)
-[X]Deputy:
--[X]Support Ryzhkov's Choice(Deputy) (-5/-10/5)
-[X]Neutral:
--[X]Reach out to Delegates (1/1/-2)
--[X]Commit to Moscow Renovations (3/1/2)
--[X]Leverage Central Asian Politicians (-3/-1/-1)
--[X]Ally with Zimyanin (2/-3/-2)
-[X]Vorotnikov
--[X]Expand Agricultural Development (2/0/0)
--[X]Uphold the Mikoyanist System (6/-5/-3)
--[X]Discuss Cultural Production (3/-4/-2)
-[X]Ryzhkov
--[X]Reform Domestic Patent Laws (0/-2/3)
--[X]Soviet-Japanese Enterprises (-3/-2/4)
Edit: Lets rock, its time for swan lake and for nothing to happen in Moscow
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJoB7y6Ncs&vl=en
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Ahh yeah. I do get that unions also want to preserve and extend their own power to some degree. But I also think that we're going to need state capitalism for a long time to come and we need to have limits on the power of the managers who oversee those state assets.
I can't find one. Even the backstab plan puts alot of effort into making nice with Vorotnikov.
Unfortunately, I do think the best play for picking a side is Ryzhkov. Going all in on Semyonov means trying to dropkick the entire SupSov, and I just cannot imagine that going well.
And my keenness for union reform means that I have so far been left trying to make a neutral play work.
However, the player base is rejecting unions anyway. I'll have a try at making a plan to back one faction in a serious way.
However, looking at the vote tally, the plan in the lead is "Ryzzing our Way to Victory" which I think is an utterly awful plan. Like, seriously, allying with Zimyanin and giving Vorotnikov consessions in the cultural sphere while also giving Ryzhkov the deputy spot? Remember Ryzhkov is allied to the culture ministry, going so hard on the right while threatening culture is going to make Ryzhkov pissed off enough to give his new ally in the deputy slot a quick promotion.
Just in case the vote is called before I come out with a plan that picks a side, I am going to approval vote a plan that I think is at least not suicide in the dumbest way.
I encourage people to join me in killing the "Ryzzing our Way to Victory" plan with fire.
[X]For the unions!
[X]Plan Talk Is Cheap
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I thought I was being paranoid sticking in an approval vote just in case you called it in the next few minuites and you still ninja'd me!
That is really annoying, but also hillarious. Clearly I should have learned better from papa Stalin.
One can never be too paranoid.
Also, good luck in the quiz.
Regards,
fasquardon
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Congratulations everyone,
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Lmao, we have danced through the raindrops yet again, Bala can't stop flailing successfully.