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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
@Goldfish why give her Healing? Renewal is better at low levels, IMO. She'd get Lesser Restoration and Remove Disease, and then in 2 levels she'd have Reincarnate!
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What Duesal and TNE said.

TotallyNotEvil said:
I'm not feeling the Spell domain.

The Charm Person is redundant, tho Lesser Restoration is handy.

But so is on-tap Cures. I still prefer Summoning due the versatility.
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How about the Fire Domain for some decent offensive power?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Goldfish you forgot to give her her Advanced Learning. I suggest taking Power Word Pain. Can you find anything better?
I wouldn't bother with Silent Spell. She could cast third level spells with Versatile Spellcaster (Beguilers know all their spells innately like Warmages, which makes it a fantastic feat for them) and she'll get Silent Spell if she ever levels up. And casting Silently is mostly only useful if she's hidden, and when would she be sneaking around? Far more likely that she'd be in disguise, where Concealed Spellcasting will do the trick (and she has that).

@Duesal @TotallyNotEvil in any case a healing belt already makes the Healing Domain mostly useless: she can only use each spell once per day, you see. So it isn't on tap healing, it's "twice per day healing".
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I'm not invested in this at all. You guys take care of her charactersheet to your heart's content. I'm just making sure people don't get their hopes up about turning her into a true PC.
 
[] Hermetia Character Build
-[] Class: Aristocrat 1/Beguiler 4
-[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
-[] Skills (52 points): Bluff 6, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge(Arcane) 5, Knowledge(Nobility) 5, Knowledge(Religion) 1, Knowledge(The Planes) 4, Sleight of Hand 8, Sense Motive 8, Spellcraft 8
--[] Skill Trick(-4 skill points): Conceal Spellcasting, Social Recovery
-[] Feats (x5): Mastery of Twisted Shadow, Spellcasting Prodigy, Versatile Spellcaster, Spell Focus (Illusion), Spell Focus (Enchantment)
-[] Flaws (x2): Noncombatant, Vulnerable

What about this? The 1/day clause I hadn't remembered puts a bummer on Arcane Disciple.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Goldfish you forgot to give her her Advanced Learning. I suggest taking Power Word Pain. Can you find anything better?
I wouldn't bother with Silent Spell. She could cast third level spells with Versatile Spellcaster (Beguilers know all their spells innately like Warmages, which makes it a fantastic feat for them) and she'll get Silent Spell if she ever levels up. And casting Silently is mostly only useful if she's hidden, and when would she be sneaking around? Far more likely that she'd be in disguise, where Concealed Spellcasting will do the trick (and she has that).

@Duesal @TotallyNotEvil in any case a healing belt already makes the Healing Domain mostly useless: she can only use each spell once per day, you see. So it isn't on tap healing, it's "twice per day healing".
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I can't see anything she can currently pick up with Advanced Learning that would be better than PWP, except maybe Shadow Trap – d20PFSRD.
 
Also vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by bigbow on Mar 10, 2018 at 11:54 AM, finished with 163741 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Plan Spreading Influence
    -[X] Haldon
    --[X] Keep in contact and try to cooperate on a few projects. Exploit the mutual disdain for lyseni Magisters. Viserys would be interested in discussing theology with him some time, so that frictions like today can be lessened in the future by furthering understanding between us.
    -[X] Wine & Steel
    --[X] Get intel on the failed coup. Reasons for it, motivations, backers. Who lost what as a result and who is blamed for the failure.
    --[X] Try to get influence there.
    -[X] Bankers & Spicers
    --[X] Exploit our connection to the Archons house to gain intel. Who is the most likely successor? Who are the contenders? Who are the movers and shakers in these factions?
    --[X] Try to covertly gain influence among the weaker members and those more likely to accept our policies.
    -[X] Leave her funds: 500 IM discretionary budget. Make it known if more funds need to be released for her work here post haste. This should get her through the next month.
    -[X] If she needs any assistance, she will be regularly contacted through this bag of attuned sand. We will attempt to check in with her three times a day, barring emergencies, two times at regular intervals and once at irregular.
    -[X] Viserys will make sure more troops are ferried over to man the embassy until numbers reach 100 as time permits.
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Finished going through the wishlist and marking what is currently being made this turn (in red) and what Leila can make (in blue). If we can get her to level 5, she'll hit the next threshold for creating a lot of items, though +2 items would still be out of her reach.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
[] Hermetia Character Build
-[] Class: Aristocrat 1/Beguiler 4
-[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
-[] Skills (52 points): Bluff 6, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge(Arcane) 5, Knowledge(Nobility) 5, Knowledge(Religion) 1, Knowledge(The Planes) 4, Sleight of Hand 8, Sense Motive 8, Spellcraft 8
--[] Skill Trick(-4 skill points): Conceal Spellcasting, Social Recovery
-[] Feats (x5): Mastery of Twisted Shadow, Spellcasting Prodigy, Versatile Spellcaster, Spell Focus (Illusion), Spell Focus (Enchantment)
-[] Flaws (x2): Noncombatant, Vulnerable

What about this? The 1/day clause I hadn't remembered puts a bummer on Arcane Disciple.
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Ah, that's a bummer. I've really gotta read things I'm not familiar with a bit closer. How's this?

[] Hermetia Character Build
-[] Class: Aristocrat 1/Beguiler 4
-[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
-[] Skills (52 points): Bluff 8, Concentration 5, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge(Arcane) 3, Knowledge(Nobility) 5, Knowledge(The Planes) 2, Sleight of Hand 8, Sense Motive 8, Spellcraft 5
--[] Skill Trick(-4 skill points): Conceal Spellcasting, Social Recovery
-[] Feats (x5): Mastery of Twisted Shadow, Spell Focus(Enchantment), Spell Focus(Illusion), Spellcasting Prodigy, Versatile Spellcaster
-[] Flaws (x2): Noncombatant, Vulnerable
-[] Advanced Learning:
--[] 1st Level: Power Word: Pain
 
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Could a runestaff imbued with a sorc/wiz spell or two be used by her. I'm thinking a feat for waymar later.

But for now, I'm interested in what he can make from the dawnfruit :D
 
BeepSmile said:
Could a runestaff imbued with a sorc/wiz spell or two be used by her. I'm thinking a feat for waymar later.

But for now, I'm interested in what he can make from the dawnfruit :D
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I've been toying with the idea of using the Old Gods instead. Feed them sacrifices, have them give us runestaffs.

Them or Yss. Even the Merling King if he's willing to play along.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Sleight of hand mostly replaces Concentration for her (she only needs one rank) and it's better to have few high-leveled skills than many that you just dabble in?
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I'll take yours and @TotallyNotEvil's word on it this time. I'm not very familiar with Beguilers at all.

@DragonParadox Can we vote on Hermetia's build? I think we've got it all worked out now.

[] Hermetia Character Build
-[] Class: Aristocrat 1/Beguiler 4
-[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
-[] Skills (52 points): Bluff 8, Concentration 1, Diplomacy 8, Knowledge(Arcane) 3, Knowledge(Nobility) 5, Knowledge(The Planes) 3, Sleight of Hand 8, Sense Motive 8, Spellcraft 8
--[] Skill Trick(-4 skill points): Conceal Spellcasting, Social Recovery
-[] Feats (x5): Mastery of Twisted Shadow, Spell Focus(Enchantment), Spell Focus(Illusion), Spellcasting Prodigy, Versatile Spellcaster
-[] Flaws (x2): Noncombatant, Vulnerable
-[] Advanced Learning:
--[] 1st Level: Power Word: Pain
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Spellcraft is hella useful, Sleigh of Hand mostly replaces Concentration, she can get Mastery of Dreams at 6th which requires Planes 4 and Spellcraft 9.
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I just wasn't thinking that Hermetia would get as much use out of Spellcraft as most other dedicated casters. Wasn't thinking about Mastery of Dreams.
 
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