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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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So just to cut in, my plan is good for getting them to submit to an inquest, but what method do we want to use to question them?

To be honest I'm expecting the majority to be no more guilty than the Ironborn we inherited from Damphair, just like Viserys said.

So what are we looking for? I have no problems overlooking the usual indiscretions so long as they follow the laws we lay down from now on.
 
On that note, I'm satisfied with the lines in my plan, but I realize now it's only really good for convincing them to lay down their weapons. Fine, but I don't want to waste a whole update without going into the particulars at all.

And I'm about to pass out. So... who to dump my votes on...

[X] Goldfish

I guess you'll do @Goldfish. Feel free to use some of what I wrote or not, I know you're not a speechy guy.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Mar 2, 2018 at 10:25 AM, finished with 160422 posts and 11 votes.
  • [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
    -[X] Viserys casts Air of Nobility before dealing with the sellswords, and Lya and Malarys use Detect Thoughts as they think necessary. Offer amnesty to those who have not converted to Tiamat worship, who did not knowingly provide slaves or other sacrifices to her minions, and who did not participate in any Tiamat-associated atrocities.
    --[X] We are not unmerciful, nor are we predisposed to wasting talented men. Those deemed worthy of amnesty will be offered a place in our service among the newly formed Legion. Those who refuse will be allowed to keep their personal belongings, but nothing else, and will need to arrange their own transport back to civilized lands.
    [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
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I was just about to vote for @Crake when I saw that he had delegated to me. This is his original plan, with my own addition tacked on to the end.

[X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
-[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
-[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know myjudgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
-[X] Viserys casts Air of Nobility before dealing with the sellswords, and Lya and Malarys use Detect Thoughts as they think necessary. Offer amnesty to those who have not converted to Tiamat worship, who did not knowingly provide slaves or other sacrifices to her minions, and who did not participate in any Tiamat-associated atrocities.
--[X] We are not unmerciful, nor are we predisposed to wasting talented men. Those deemed worthy of amnesty will be offered a place in our service among the newly formed Legion. Those who refuse will be allowed to keep their personal belongings, but nothing else, and will need to arrange their own transport back to civilized lands.
-[X] After we rest and recover our spells, be certain to use Blood Wish to duplicate a Create Treasure Map spell, utilizing the Smith's ashes as a material component, before we depart the ruins.
 
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[X] Goldfish

I didn't think Valerian cities had the concept of "asylum" unless... @DragonPardox where on the scale of Modern-western to 1800's English torture house did these asulyms fall?

Tbh, I'm surprised they weren't made sacarafice fodder.
 
BeepSmile said:
[X] Goldfish

I didn't think Valerian cities had the concept of "asylum" unless... @DragonPardox where on the scale of Modern-western to 1800's English torture house did these asulyms fall?

Tbh, I'm surprised they weren't made sacarafice fodder.
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This is Old Valyria we are talking about. They probably had each crazy person hooked up to some profane device to extract liquid madness from them.
 
Well, remember their obsession about quality of blood. They wouldn't sacrifice a high born Valyrian just because they were crazy and/or subversive. That's what you do to slaves.
 
Diomedon said:
Well, remember their obsession about quality of blood. They wouldn't sacrifice a high born Valyrian just because they were crazy and/or subversive. That's what you do to slaves.
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I thought that obsession started after the Doom?

The actual Valyrians did elevate Lowborns to higher positions (see our ancestor who made the family one of the Forty) and I don't think they were too shy about killing their own, they had people like the Shadow Mage who's job it was to hunt rogue mages.
 
Goldfish said:
This is Old Valyria we are talking about. They probably had each crazy person hooked up to some profane device to extract liquid madness from them.
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And there we go... A good reason for the expidenture of effort, from a Valerian perspective.

Also, at somepoint before we leave I think we should warn them to not try to loot from the long dead here, lest the dead decide to get up and take thier stuff back. Along with their lives. And possibly souls.
 
BeepSmile said:
And there we go... A good reason for the expidenture of effort, from a Valerian perspective.

Also, at somepoint before we leave I think we should warn them to not try to loot from the long dead here, lest the dead decide to get up and take thier stuff back. Along with their lives. And possibly souls.
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They spend here longer then we did, they all know about spooks and ghosts and maybe serious Undead, if not in detail.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Mar 2, 2018 at 10:54 AM, finished with 160426 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
    -[X] Viserys casts Air of Nobility before dealing with the sellswords, and Lya and Malarys use Detect Thoughts as they think necessary. Offer amnesty to those who have not converted to Tiamat worship, who did not knowingly provide slaves or other sacrifices to her minions, and who did not participate in any Tiamat-associated atrocities.
    --[X] We are not unmerciful, nor are we predisposed to wasting talented men. Those deemed worthy of amnesty will be offered a place in our service among the newly formed Legion. Those who refuse will be allowed to keep their personal belongings, but nothing else, and will need to arrange their own transport back to civilized lands.
    -[X] After we rest and recover our spells, be certain to use Blood Wish to duplicate a Create Treasure Map spell, utilizing the Smith's ashes as a material component, before we depart the ruins.
    [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
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Goldfish said:
This is Old Valyria we are talking about. They probably had each crazy person hooked up to some profane device to extract liquid madness from them.
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This is not Valyria, it's Sarnor and the institutions were quasi-religious.

That said the Valyrians had them too, for nobles of course. Being a member of the upper classes in Valyria was a pretty good deal, it's the slaves and servants (technically freemen 'foreigners') who mostly suffered.
 
As a general reminder to everyone, the very second Viserys' spells replenish we're using Blood Wish --> Create Treasure Map on the wizard's ashes to get the spellbook if it exists and whatever else the wizard might have known about.

@Goldfish, can you add that in as a general footnote so we can point to that later?
 
Duesal said:
As a general reminder to everyone, the very second Viserys' spells replenish we're using Blood Wish --> Create Treasure Map on the wizard's ashes to get the spellbook if it exists and whatever else the wizard might have known about.

@Goldfish, can you add that in as a general footnote so we can point to that later?
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Done.
 
Doesn't that mean we're giving up on divining if he's rezzable and workable?
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Mar 2, 2018 at 10:54 AM, finished with 160426 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
    -[X] Viserys casts Air of Nobility before dealing with the sellswords, and Lya and Malarys use Detect Thoughts as they think necessary. Offer amnesty to those who have not converted to Tiamat worship, who did not knowingly provide slaves or other sacrifices to her minions, and who did not participate in any Tiamat-associated atrocities.
    --[X] We are not unmerciful, nor are we predisposed to wasting talented men. Those deemed worthy of amnesty will be offered a place in our service among the newly formed Legion. Those who refuse will be allowed to keep their personal belongings, but nothing else, and will need to arrange their own transport back to civilized lands.
    -[X] After we rest and recover our spells, be certain to use Blood Wish to duplicate a Create Treasure Map spell, utilizing the Smith's ashes as a material component, before we depart the ruins.
    [X] "I'll be short while there are weapons in hand yet. I am tired, Ser, of killing. But not unready. My lady," you unsheath Dark Sister enough to be recognizable, "is sharp and quick, and she thirsts for blood always."
    -[X] "Lay down your arms so that I may take the measure of the men who led so many to folly under the grasping vice-grip of dark gods and demons. Mayhaps you think me little better, but I am still a man, and you can trust the judgement of the Kings of Men more than you can the wrath of evil masters for perceived failures of their slaves, for that is what the Dark Lady you served viewed you as: little better than cattle to be discarded to the hungering wakeful dead who yet slumber beneath us thanks to my company's intervention."
    -[X] "Whatever crimes I uncover, you know my judgement will be swifter and more merciful than She-of-Many-Colors would conjure by."
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Diomedon said:
Doesn't that mean we're giving up on divining if he's rezzable and workable?
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No? There's nothing about the spell that says we can't bring back the person afterwards. This way we can get whatever treasures the wizard was aware of, then later on we divine if the wizard would be willing to be our subordinate. If yes, great, we bring him back and open negotiations. If no, that's fine. He's dead anyway. Either way, we're well within our ~10 day limit before bringing him back gets considerably more costly.
Create Treasure Map – d20PFSRD
 
Doesn't that spell need a flat piece of the dead creature to make the map out of, like "a piece of hide, carapace, or skin?" We only have dust left.
 
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