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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
And without us, Braavos would very likely be a smoking crater right now, or enslaved to malicious Fey, Vampires, or an insectile Horror from beyond space and time.

Holding back some stuff for now is just common sense.
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Pretty much this. The gig is up when she meets Alinor anyway, but it's already a lot to take in without accentuating the bad stuff.
 
Diomedon said:
Righto. I just wanted to double check. I feel like Vee at least trained armor some already, I can't quite recall if it was light or medium proficiency. We'll need to spare some time to get them trained up by Richard. Fortunately, we already start with Breastplates, so it shouldn't be hard to work up to Mithral fullplate.

As for Glammered armor, I'm not sure if it's a better solution than giving them rings of arming. Glammered doesn't eliminate the weight or penalties for sleeping in armor (as far as I can tell), and still needs to be donned. Tyene also actually enjoys dressing up, and I think she'd miss being able to do so and instead merely relying on the glammered illusion.
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Vee has medium armor proficancy based on her char sheet.
 
Goldfish said:
And without us, Braavos would very likely be a smoking crater right now, or enslaved to malicious Fey, Vampires, or an insectile Horror from beyond space and time.

Holding back some stuff for now is just common sense.
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I agree that we should hold back on it but Snowfire's idea glosses over it completely, a simple "I did some distasteful things to earn money (god that sounds like prostitution)" would be good though, good enough to satisfy her for the moment and not feel betrayed when she inevitably finds out.

Goldfish said:
And without us, Braavos would very likely be a smoking crater right now, or enslaved to malicious Fey, Vampires, or an insectile Horror from beyond space and time.

Holding back some stuff for now is just common sense.
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What has that got to do with what we should be telling our mom? The one I replied to told me that we weren't a thief and I told him the reason why we were, just because we were a good person that saved a lot of lives doesn't mean that we weren't a thief, just a good thief that saved a lot of lives
 
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Azel said:
Pretty much this. The gig is up when she meets Alinor anyway, but it's already a lot to take in without accentuating the bad stuff.
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Not necessarily. "Made a friend/got infatuated with a courtesan and gave her a decent position" isn't unreasonable. Nor does it say "because he was working for the thieves guild at the time". It says we visited a brothel.
Duesal said:
@Goldfish @TotallyNotEvil

Since we can't invest any metal whatsoever in Soft Strider, what should we do for her arrows?
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Obsidian is the easiest solution I see.
 
Prince Sheo said:
I agree that we should hold back on it but Snowfire's idea glosses over it completely, a simple "I did some distasteful things to earn money (god that sounds like prostitution)" would be good though, good enough to satisfy her for the moment and not feel betrayed when she inevitably finds out.
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You're really exaggerating here. "Betrayed"? Really? She wouldn't feel betrayed, she has no reason to feel betrayed. She'd be sad that we had to do what we did, but why on earth would she feel betrayed?
 
Yes It took all day but I managed to catch up. And on that note who wants to explain Viseryrs's instinct/fetish for hot evil outsider woman to his mom. A instinct so refined and sharpened that his friends half jokingly rely on Viserys being into a girl to tell if they are evil. Or everything involving Aezmea or Danny and Glryia and oh Old God's the list just keeps growing:o.
 
We did a whole lot of things far worse then hanging around with thieves.

We nailed people to trees.
We employ a demon.
We barter with fiends.
We went on a genocidal rampage against Sahuagin.
We took control of a Dothraki hoard.
We cut a deal with Mindflayers.
We plan to conquer the world.
We killed nearly a thousand men and a divine avatar in a few hours.

Seriously. You are worried about our association with thieves?
 
Duesal said:
@Goldfish @TotallyNotEvil

Since we can't invest any metal whatsoever in Soft Strider, what should we do for her arrows?
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Magic, of course! :p

Seriously, though, it shouldn't be much of an issue. Get her a magic bow, if she doesn't already have one, with Masterwork arrows Fabricated from dragonglass or flint and she will be fine. Dany could even cast Hardening on a batch of dragonglass before Lya Fabricates the arrowheads. That would give them greater Hardness than regular steel arrowheads.

Soft Strider might also be able cast a few spells, if she has enough Ranger levels. Not getting my hopes up too much, though. Ranger spell progression is god awful.
 
Azel said:
We did a whole lot of things far worse then hanging around with thieves.

We nailed people to trees.
We employ a demon.
We barter with fiends.
We went on a genocidal rampage against Sahuagin.
We took control of a Dothraki hoard.
We cut a deal with Mindflayers.
We plan to conquer the world.
We killed nearly a thousand men and a divine avatar in a few hours.

Seriously. You are worried about our association with thieves?
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So why shouldn't we tell her about it if it's such a relatively insignificant thing?
 
Duesal said:
Even the Fey Drake we killed back in Braavos counted as a dragon in terms of the kind of loot its body yielded. Well, of lesser value, sure, but the point still stands. Garin got dragonbone bows for the Silver Eye, we got a drakeskin cloak, Dany got drakeleather armor, Moonsong got a drakengut loot, etc. Expect all of that and more with the Velroc's corpse, moreso since Velrocs are a hell of a lot more closely related to true dragon than a mere drake could ever hope to be.
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You know what? That feydrake had just regular dragonhide even while being fey touched. Dont think it had gotteb abyss tainted yet. But I feel like Glyra should be able to coax something more out of it / upgrade the armor with dedicated action. Just add fey and dragon blood, stir. :sour:
 
Goldfish said:
Magic, of course! :p

Seriously, though, it shouldn't be much of an issue. Get her a magic bow, if she doesn't already have one, with Masterwork arrows Fabricated from dragonglass or flint and she will be fine. Dany could even cast Hardening on a batch of dragonglass before Lya Fabricates the arrowheads. That would give them greater Hardness than regular steel arrowheads.

Soft Strider might also be able cast a few spells, if she has enough Ranger levels. Not getting my hopes up too much, though. Ranger spell progression is god awful.
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Ooh, hardening is permanent?

By the way, when we have confirmation it's safe I really want to take the Children of the Forest through our Molten Skies portal just to show them all the dragonglass.
 
Azel said:
We did a whole lot of things far worse then hanging around with thieves.

We nailed people to trees.
We employ a demon.
We barter with fiends.
We went on a genocidal rampage against Sahuagin.
We took control of a Dothraki hoard.
We cut a deal with Mindflayers.
We plan to conquer the world.
We killed nearly a thousand men and a divine avatar in a few hours.

Seriously. You are worried about our association with thieves?
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To counter that we have fought besides literal Angles
Slain Demons and Devil's
And are seen as a ally and friend of a Paladin of the Warrior
Also we saved the world from the horde's of the Abyss.
 
Prince Sheo said:
So why shouldn't we tell her about it if it's such a relatively insignificant thing?
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Because it's insignificant by our perceptions. Not hers. Those need some work before we can really start being truly honest. Give it time.

Note: time in this case is in the order of days, weeks and months. We're giving her broad strokes in our journey since our magic awoke. Once she's processed all of that, we can talk to her about more of it. But, once again, her choice. The issue is that that choice has to be informed, and right now it isn't.
 
@Snowfire I'm genuinely asking, with all the stuff about magic wars and sacrifices, why are we hiding the whole thief thing? All I'm asking is a single sentence that can be expanded for her at a later date (so at least she wouldn't be blindsided if she learns about it in SD), but every seems against it, why?

Edit: Eshined, but still, I'm just asking for a single vague sentence
 
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Diomedon said:
Righto. I just wanted to double check. I feel like Vee at least trained armor some already, I can't quite recall if it was light or medium proficiency. We'll need to spare some time to get them trained up by Richard. Fortunately, we already start with Breastplates, so it shouldn't be hard to work up to Mithral fullplate.

As for Glammered armor, I'm not sure if it's a better solution than giving them rings of arming. Glammered doesn't eliminate the weight or penalties for sleeping in armor (as far as I can tell), and still needs to be donned. Tyene also actually enjoys dressing up, and I think she'd miss being able to do so and instead merely relying on the glammered illusion.
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Glammered is a relatively cheap enchantment, I believe. I want both that and ring of arming for her, everyone, really.

Quality of life and tactical improvemets all over. :)
 
Prince Sheo said:
@Snowfire I'm genuinely asking, with all the stuff about magic wars and sacrifices, why are we hiding the whole thief thing? All I'm asking is a single sentence that can be expanded for her at a later date (so at least she wouldn't be blindsided if she learns about it in SD), but every seems against it, why?
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It's a matter of the familiar.

What we've done as a sorcerer verges into myth and legend from her point of view. It's beyond her current perceptual framework, and that means we can afford to be a little more honest about it because she won't quite understand everything we're saying. Risk, danger, sure. But the rest? It's too far outside of her worldview, and right now that's a good thing. When she actually, properly, realises what we've fought, it'll chill her blood. No mother would wish for their child to have to fight devil, demon and worse abominations at less than six and ten. The fact that Dany was there for a lot of that is going to make it even worse. But right now, she can...stretch her viewpoint. It's something that humans do when presented with something beyond them, especially when it involves those they care for. They pretend it was safer, because it's just a fey tale that they were wrapped up in. It's the barrier between her contentment and shrieking hysteria. I prefer to keep her on the side of the former, by the way.

But hiding among the common folk? Being implicitly part of a thieves guild? As the Heir to the Iron Throne? It would give our story just enough in the way of reality for everything else to come crashing through and shatter the happy little illusions that we're going to have to be so careful in dispelling. Is this unpleasant? Oh yes indeed. But it's also how the human mind works, and I refuse to burden Rhaella with such horror the day she was returned from the dead.
 
Because it spares both sides from awkwardness and possibly pain on her side? You know, for the Queen of a continent to have her son mingling with not only commoners, but straight up thieves?

Not making her feel as a complete failure of a mother would be nice, I guess.
 
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Snowfire said:
It's a matter of the familiar.

What we've done as a sorcerer verges into myth and legend from her point of view. It's beyond her current perceptual framework, and that means we can afford to be a little more honest about it because she won't quite understand everything we're saying. Risk, danger, sure. But the rest? It's too far outside of her worldview, and right now that's a good thing. When she actually, properly, realises what we've fought, it'll chill her blood. No mother would wish for their child to have to fight devil, demon and worse abominations at less than six and ten. The fact that Dany was there for a lot of that is going to make it even worse. But right now, she can...stretch her viewpoint. It's something that humans do when presented with something beyond them, especially when it involves those they care for. They pretend it was safer, because it's just a fey tale that they were wrapped up in. It's the barrier between her contentment and shrieking hysteria. I prefer to keep her on the side of the former, by the way.

But hiding among the common folk? Being implicitly part of a thieves guild? As the Heir to the Iron Throne? It would give our story just enough in the way of reality for everything else to come crashing through and shatter the happy little illusions that we're going to have to be so careful in dispelling. Is this unpleasant? Oh yes indeed. But it's also how the human mind works, and I refuse to burden Rhaella with such horror the day she was returned from the dead.
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*sigh*

I wasn't asking for much, but the votes are in your favor sir, so there's nothing I can do
 
Lets just hope we the sacrifice to the OG meant a safe trip and a safe return too...

I do not really want to explain we use our blood as fire accelerator and the fact we go from Medium Sized Human to Huge Half Dragon in less than a round. At least Dany needs for it to be while sleeping :V
 
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