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Following the same logic, who says Tiamat would let him keep any of that?
It's not like she has a claim on Blackfyre.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Following the same logic, who says Tiamat would let him keep any of that?
It's not like she has a claim on Blackfyre.
iggyfan
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Because a poor Illyrio is an Illyrio that's a worthless pawn.
Don't forget the Arcanum. They look like Lya's sisters and share all her memories , but are actually her sort-of daughters. But we had no input at all and there was no pregnancy, she just made them, parthenogenesis in action. That's going to be a mind fuck to someone used to conventional human reproduction.Traditional Targ marriages were sins in the eyes of most of the religions of the world so if anything we have the heresy going on at least
Besides Rhaella will probably worry about the minotaurs, the lemurs, the tritons, the Old Gods, The Snek God, Viserys, Daenerys, Starmar, the big pile of fluffy eyestalks, stuff I may have forgotten, and then she will worry about the crazy woman locked in her lab doing means things to reality
Tiamat is probably patient enough she didn't ask for everything at once. That'd be a good way to scare them away. As for Blackfire, I expect she's not asked for it yet, because they'd be reluctant to give it for good reasons. Not to mention if she takes everything away they are useless.
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What difference to Tiamat between an Illyrio with his own money under his own control (and therefore lootable) and an Illyrio with all his connections etc. bent to her whims and the ability to request those very same resources in her service.
My payroll officer and supply manager doesn't need to receive company profits directly.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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*looks at time*
Oh... I have a flight in the morning.
*squints*
Four hours from now...
Well, I'm off for a brief visit to Morpheus and then straight to hell. 'nighty night
Oh... I have a flight in the morning.
*squints*
Four hours from now...
Well, I'm off for a brief visit to Morpheus and then straight to hell. 'nighty night
Except that once things get sacrificed to Tiamat they stay in her divine realm. Taking them out would require her to give them away, if temporarily. I'm not sure she can bring herself to do that. Illyrio himself getting marked in some way that basically means he has to obey or else is possible. But he'd avoid the hell out of that, so Tiamat would have to play the long game.
If anything, I expect her to play it even longer than she meant to with us, since she just got a reminder that in this day and age mortals can ditch her and get away with it (not that she's going to stop planning her revenge, but losing her pawns and having to start from scratch yet again would be bad).
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iggyfan
Verified Man-Thing
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Because Illyrio needs to keep up appearances as a Magister of Pentos and that requires having thousands of gold dragons worth of ships alone.
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Diomedea
A piece of the continent
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Did you just cite yourself as a source? I wasn't aware you were an expert in DragonParadox's setting notes. That explains why the only egg we have was retrieved at great risk and with careful planning and not a little bit of luck from the very hands of our enemies...who already visited dragonstone looking for magic and dragon eggs. /s
Let's take a look at to what the source material says about them, in a setting where they are, in practical terms, worthless and no one knows magic is back (compared to the current setting, where everyone is buying up everything magical as fast as they can). In that, much more favorable situation for us, they are more precious than their weight in rubies, and literally the only three we see are the ones Illyrio gives Dany as a noted amazingly lavish gift (and Euron, the wildly traveled and very successful reaver, "claimed" to have had one at one point).
They have only increased in value in a world where everyone knows magic is coming back (a fact which has become increasingly undeniable).
Every single one of your assertions about dragon eggs has been how you wish it to be, not what the facts support. Why have we not seen boatloads of dragon eggs when we actively hunted for magical items and dragon lore? Because they are valuable and rare, and now have become only more valuable a secreted away.
Should we delay hatching the one egg we have? No, that's ridiculous when you need a lead time of years for dragons to reach maturity. Should we steal the egg we promised out from under Valaena's nose? No, because she's been nothing but loyal, brave, and eager in her service of us for the entire time we have known her (she offloaded all the bad genes on Aurane, clearly). If we did that, it would be a betrayal of both of how Viserys sees himself (the just ruler who keeps his word), and our agreement with the Velaryons, one of the people who we are trusting in aiding us to keep the stability in our new realm.
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and the Truth is we don't need a feral dragon mount to conquer the world
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[X] Plan TNE
-[X] Maelor
--[X] Class: +1 Eldritch Theurge
--[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Use Magic Device, +2 Concentration, +1 Spellcraft
--[X] Feat: Maximize SLA (Eldritch Blast)
---[X] Retrained Feat: Force of Pesonality >>> Practiced Spellcaster
--[X] Invocation: Voracious Dispelling
--[X] Spells:
---[X] 2nd Level: Web
-[X] Glyra Level Up
--[X] Class: +1 Spellthief
--[X] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +6 Tumble, +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Use Magic Device, Disable Device -5
Right, @Goldfish @Crake @Duesal @egoo @iggyfan @Sqweaktoy @Deliste you should vote for this since:
- Better first level spell. We can load Maelor with oodles of scrolls of Mage Armour.
- Second level spell: I get to pick one by being smart in the feat swap choices. Possibly eating my cake, too, if he qualifies for Fiendish Heritage as default. Goldfish's doesn't get a second level spell at all.
- Better skills for Glyra: enable Tumble.
In this case, I'm picking web as he already has a Will and a Fort save in the form of Color Spray and Blindness, and it also works nicely with Spellblast, aka, lets him cast his Eldritch Blast at the same time as he does Web.
-[X] Maelor
--[X] Class: +1 Eldritch Theurge
--[X] Skills (4 points): +1 Use Magic Device, +2 Concentration, +1 Spellcraft
--[X] Feat: Maximize SLA (Eldritch Blast)
---[X] Retrained Feat: Force of Pesonality >>> Practiced Spellcaster
--[X] Invocation: Voracious Dispelling
--[X] Spells:
---[X] 2nd Level: Web
-[X] Glyra Level Up
--[X] Class: +1 Spellthief
--[X] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +6 Tumble, +1 Hide, +1 Move Silently, +1 Use Magic Device, Disable Device -5
Right, @Goldfish @Crake @Duesal @egoo @iggyfan @Sqweaktoy @Deliste you should vote for this since:
- Better first level spell. We can load Maelor with oodles of scrolls of Mage Armour.
- Second level spell: I get to pick one by being smart in the feat swap choices. Possibly eating my cake, too, if he qualifies for Fiendish Heritage as default. Goldfish's doesn't get a second level spell at all.
- Better skills for Glyra: enable Tumble.
In this case, I'm picking web as he already has a Will and a Fort save in the form of Color Spray and Blindness, and it also works nicely with Spellblast, aka, lets him cast his Eldritch Blast at the same time as he does Web.
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What's the matter with all this talk of giving Viserys an overgrown lizard that will take four to five years to be the size of a horse. By then Viserys will be a fucking God, or permakilled. A dragon rider may have been hot shit 300 years ago, but that time has long since past. Ultimatedly, I'm with squeaky on this one, as Viserys giving his dragons to his subordinates sends a powerful message all by itself, and no amount of Prince Sheo's ridiculously convoluted scenarios is going to change that. Bleh. I thought we had resolved this issue months ago... wont keep wasting electrons since any argument I could make has already been repeated ad nauseum.
Anyway, you guys have been pretty much arguing in circles for the past 5 pages. At this point not much is going to change the others opinion. Let's just table it for now.
We don't need it, but it could be handy. In situations where, for example:and the Truth is we don't need a feral dragon mount to conquer the world
We're fighting an enemy alone, everybody else was busy fighting 3 other different apocalypses. Our enemy is a rough peer, we can beat him on our own but we have to take him seriously, and he has an army that will lay waste to a non insignificant amount of our kingdom while we fight. The local levies are irrelevant (too busy shitting themselves) and the Royal Legions are holding the Wall or something.
Our Dragon can roast the army while we fight, minimizing the damage to our holdings. We don't need him, but he comes in handy. He's also prime shmuck bait for people who want to weaken us but are stupid. They'll all go for the dragon first.
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@TotallyNotEvil maybe toss in a
[] Learn the ritual
[] Do not learn the ritual, Bloodraven will have it transcribed along with all the other lore
(whichever you prefer, I'm fine with either)
at the top? because right now we don't have any votes for the actual vote.
Probably partially because we've spent the last five pages arguing about lizards
[] Learn the ritual
[] Do not learn the ritual, Bloodraven will have it transcribed along with all the other lore
(whichever you prefer, I'm fine with either)
at the top? because right now we don't have any votes for the actual vote.
Probably partially because we've spent the last five pages arguing about lizards
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Pretty sure we are learning it. DP called that vote before asking for a new one.@TotallyNotEvil maybe toss in a
[] Learn the ritual
[] Do not learn the ritual, Bloodraven will have it transcribed along with all the other lore
(whichever you prefer, I'm fine with either)
at the top? because right now we don't have any votes for the actual vote.
Probably partially because we've spent the last five pages arguing about lizards
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If this holds true it actually sounds like a really good reason to allow it to bond to the Dragon-Blooded Sorcerer who's going to turn into a Dragon and potentially give it a boost, instead of the little girl who will continue to be a little girl for the next 4-5 years.
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Not to mention it's liable to boost other things, too.
But seriously guys, Goldfish messed up his plan bad. His is trading away a second level spell instead of a feat that's made obsolete by PfE Amulets and innate good will save.
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Must of missed it
[X] TotallyNotEvil
Edit: Quotes for anyone else who was too busy arguing to notice the vote being called.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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There are TONS of spells that require a Will save without being blocked by Protection from Evil. Literally dozens of them.
@Everyone Force of Personality covers a major flaw in Maelor's defenses caused by Wisdom being his dump stat.
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Also, about Glyra:
1) She is missing the Craven (Impetuous) bonus, should be +11 to each Sneak Attack after level up.
2) She is missing the +2 DEX from her gloves.
3) Her full attack should look like:
Spiked Chain +12/+7 (1d6+4)
Special: Sneak Attack 2d6+11
Her killyness is rather low for 11th level. Shit SA progression from Spellthief doesn't help her any. Average CR11 AC is ~24, it's bad, but she attacks from insibility often due her Swift Invisibility, so she reliably triggers her SA and gets +2 to hit and the target is flatfooted, so no DEX to AC.
At least she is pretty durable, he DR is very hard to pierce, her SR is high.
1) She is missing the Craven (Impetuous) bonus, should be +11 to each Sneak Attack after level up.
2) She is missing the +2 DEX from her gloves.
3) Her full attack should look like:
Spiked Chain +12/+7 (1d6+4)
Special: Sneak Attack 2d6+11
Her killyness is rather low for 11th level. Shit SA progression from Spellthief doesn't help her any. Average CR11 AC is ~24, it's bad, but she attacks from insibility often due her Swift Invisibility, so she reliably triggers her SA and gets +2 to hit and the target is flatfooted, so no DEX to AC.
At least she is pretty durable, he DR is very hard to pierce, her SR is high.
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Mind affecting ones?
Not to mention he has three classes with good will saves. Make him a +1 WIS item and he will have a base Will save of +10. Comparable to someone at 10th level with a +3 to their save stat and a good save progression.
So even without it, he is already rated excellent at Will saves. Force of Personality is frivolous.
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