A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Well, how much does Lya actually know what they could be like?
And you guys do realize that otherwise Good or decent people are capable of screwing up and obliviously doing something cruel at times right?
I mean, Lya didn't even seem to realize there could be a problem until Dany brought it up. And she hadn't exactly been insistent about the suggestion nor did she go into specific detail about why it would be problematic. It was just along the lines of "Hey she might have some of your memories, might want to give her some time to adjust."
And you guys do realize that otherwise Good or decent people are capable of screwing up and obliviously doing something cruel at times right?
I mean, Lya didn't even seem to realize there could be a problem until Dany brought it up. And she hadn't exactly been insistent about the suggestion nor did she go into specific detail about why it would be problematic. It was just along the lines of "Hey she might have some of your memories, might want to give her some time to adjust."
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I must add that it doesn't even make any sense internally. Both Mercy and Aradia have skills Lya lacks and are missing others that she has. They thus can't be a perfect copy.
I think this is just something the thread kept worrying about and it stuck around, dspite it never being intended by the class or desired.
My intended relationship was always that Lya provides a framework made out of spells, part of herself as a template and a general direction for the Arcanum to develop into. Planar energies then fill out that mold to make a person in a process very similar to the planes generating elementals or other Outsiders.
The opinion and attachment thing is more instinctual, since it's something that tags along with the minor bit of Lya given to the Arcanum.
Full memory clones are a bit... much...
Arguably there isnt even a reason for them to form much of a personality when 99% of their formative years a pure Lya, no matter how much they travel...
Also kinda awkward that we have to send them away. Makes them rather poor assistants and that's their core purpose.
I think this is just something the thread kept worrying about and it stuck around, dspite it never being intended by the class or desired.
My intended relationship was always that Lya provides a framework made out of spells, part of herself as a template and a general direction for the Arcanum to develop into. Planar energies then fill out that mold to make a person in a process very similar to the planes generating elementals or other Outsiders.
The opinion and attachment thing is more instinctual, since it's something that tags along with the minor bit of Lya given to the Arcanum.
Full memory clones are a bit... much...
Arguably there isnt even a reason for them to form much of a personality when 99% of their formative years a pure Lya, no matter how much they travel...
Also kinda awkward that we have to send them away. Makes them rather poor assistants and that's their core purpose.
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I am aware that Good people can screw up, I was just hoping (apparently in error) that Lya would be smart enough not to.
Dear god, this might be one of the most spectacular fuck-ups of the quest. I mean, seriously, the Dedicated Wrights were made with their own personalities and none of Lya's memories. Why jump from that to every last one of he memories being shoved into an Arcanum? Was Lya not capable of simply creating feelings of loyalty and love within the Arcanum regarding the people she should view positively?See, this is an interpretation I would have happily supported. Full memory clones cross so many lines for me.
We need to talk to DP when he wakes up. He goes with this interpretation and it basically ruins the class feature.
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Well, when I brought up the issue how disturbing it would be for everyone involved to have several Lesser Lyas running around DP said they'd be their own people, not that.
So I'm hopeful this is a missunderstanding, not a big problem.
So I'm hopeful this is a missunderstanding, not a big problem.
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Which is what I've been worried about for a while now and why I wanted Aradia and Mercy made on tge same time.
That's kind of what I thought they would be.
That while they have her memories, they know that they aren't actually her and that those aren't actually their memories. That the memories would be like watching a film, without any precise emotional connection. If that makes any sense.
On a second thought, why would they have all her memories, assuming that's what Dany had actually meant?
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I have no earthly idea. And I can only assume that this meant all of Lya's memories since apparently they'd have enough that they'd need to be taken away from Lya's daily routine.
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Well, it's a rather extreme difference to have general knowledge of Lya's life, or her memories, with all the emotional components that implies.
One would be a useful guide to start your own life,the other would make you Lya and only many years of differing experiences might change that.
I hope the update badly expressed the former.
One would be a useful guide to start your own life,the other would make you Lya and only many years of differing experiences might change that.
I hope the update badly expressed the former.
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Spell level.
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That was the most Lawful act imaginable, we met the letter of the agreement and delivered in full.
Viserys is so Emperor he even delegates his portfolio haha.
Dany has already stolen half her hoard may as well have her take the rest, we can have a Master of Ships and a Mistress of Divinity.
Then when we speak to Gods we can give them shit about mucking around with the Nitty gritty of devotion and reward.
Viserys "I'm too busy for specifics" Targaryen at it again.
If only somebody could have seen this dramatic BS coming, such a hero (were foresight of such magnitude existent in this world) would be grand indeed, and who could fault him for an "I told you so" or two?
Why if I were such a person I'd be the veritable cock of the walk, crowing it from the rooftops I would.
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Except for the fact that this interpretation is the absolute worst that DP could have gone with, and the original intent of the Arcanum concept wasn't anywhere near this bad. You don't get to gloat yet. Not until we work this out with DP. If he sticks with this terrible interpretation then you get to rub it in our faces.
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It bears reminding: the Doom shattered the cosmos.
As in, every other plane got the shit nuked out of it. Planetos essentially got off lightly.
That's why there are no armies of Demons and Devils and Angels prancing around after the big mean sorcerer's are gone. Valyria got a TPK, everyone else outside Planetos just changed genre to post-apocalyptic survival.
If the universe is a wheel, the prime material is the axle.
That sounds like a great plot hook for a plucky band of adventurers twenty years from now: the evil wizard's backstory as a bullied apprentice thst stumbled upon some misfiled papers way out of his clearance.
*shudders*
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@Deliste, I'm actually kinda miffed at you right now for that. You are one of those people who just couldn't stop talking about Arcanums having full memories, while the class doesn't say anything about them having any of them.
So you are kinda responsible for this interpretation to stick and gloating about that now is making me rather annoyed.
So you are kinda responsible for this interpretation to stick and gloating about that now is making me rather annoyed.
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Hardly, the Sundering the Archons meant happened way before the Doom. I think it's the time the serpent striked out against the sinners in Sher's lore.
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I still think they should just be Lya, a single soul connecting them all, sure, each one would have their own personality, and It would be interesting to see how they would settle their differences, as It would be an internal struggle.But she should be able to have all her bodies act in unison when requiered, and share their senses, but ultimately still share the same conciousness.
This would be an ideal case scenario for me, i dislike the arcanums in general, we already have a lot of characters we dont get to see enough of, i dislike creating more just because.
This would be an ideal case scenario for me, i dislike the arcanums in general, we already have a lot of characters we dont get to see enough of, i dislike creating more just because.
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To clarify: that's wholly intentional. Part of balancing that admittedly incredibly strong class feature is how, upon detailed analysis, a great deal of a dragon of this cr's power comes from their heaps of HD. We'll be behind roughly 1/3 to 1/4, compared to a normal dragon of an age we match.
Might I hook you up with this then?:
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That's the tenth level ability, more or less.
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Really? I got the impression the Doom's effects sort of snowballed as they went further out.
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The Sundering was the fault of the dragons. We even see mention of it way, way back in the quest when Aryssa the Pixie first meets Garth.
I'm guessing Winged Terror = Tiamat.
And from Sher and Aberi we got this lore:
So not only did Tiamat completely fuck over the Old Gods, apparently she scared the Pixies and their Undying Court of Stars off the plane entirely. I did find it interesting, though, that Prime Material is the true home of dragonkind. It makes me feel like the entire planet is overdue inheritance.
Sundering was way, way before the Doom. At least that's my impression of it.
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Mm so thats where the confusion came from, i'll have to check It.
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I read that as "fully moral and functional harem".
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I mean there's very little chance we won't have over 200 HP once we hit level 20.
200 HP on a primary caster PC? Even if it's far less than what a Mature Adult Red would sport, that's still really good.
Edit: I say this while pointing out that while we have the option to rip and tear stuff, if we went up against something which we would be better served casting spells at it to defeat, chances are we are just going to cast spells to defeat it.
200 HP on a primary caster PC? Even if it's far less than what a Mature Adult Red would sport, that's still really good.
Edit: I say this while pointing out that while we have the option to rip and tear stuff, if we went up against something which we would be better served casting spells at it to defeat, chances are we are just going to cast spells to defeat it.