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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I'm just excited we have the time to do our level best to murder Zherys.

I bet he has fantastic loot.

Also, we're taking his skull to add to the collection! He knows way too many valuable things for us not to.
 
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Azel said:
Can we at the very least hear him out? I don't want to start a war with Volantis unless we have no choice.
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We know he intends to bind us in some manner, so yeah, we can hear him out...after we use Commune and ask these questions:

1) Does he intend to bind us magically?
-a) If Yes, will Zherys cast the spell himself?
--b) If No to the spell, will he use an enchanted object?
---c) If No to the object, will he have another cast the spell?
----d) And if No to the proxy spell, will he use the supernatural abilities of a creature?

2) If No to the first question, ask if he will attempt to bind us politically?
-a) If Yes, is it through marriage?
--b) If No to marriage, will it be through oaths of fealty?
---c) If No to fealty, will he attempt to integrate us into the Volantine power structure?
----d) If Yes to political integration, will he be our subordinate?

3) If No to magical or political binding, will he attempt to use threats to control our actions?
-a) If Yes, will these threats be against our loved ones?
--b) If No to threatened loved ones, will he threaten our physical holdings?
---c) If No to threatening our domain, will he threaten our allies?

4) If No to binding via magic, politics, or violence, will he attempt to bind us through bribery?
-a) If Yes, will he bribe us with magic lore?
--b) If No to lore, will he bribe us with crafting materials?
---c) If No to crafting materials, will he bribe us with treasure?

5) If No to all previous questions, will he attempt to bind us through duty?
-a) If Yes, is it duty to protect people?
--b) If No to protection, is it duty to our ancestors?
---c) If No to our ancestors, is it duty to our family?
 
Duesal said:
I'll be campaigning hard for this next level. It'll go great with Heart of the Earth.
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It's extra awesome because Viserys already heals based on spell level, and since he's dragonblooded, it gains further bonuses. Just using a 5th level spell would heal him for a minimum of 5d6+10 HP. That's not bad at all, especially considering how just a few updates back we were considering casting spells just to supplement the healing Tyene was providing us after a tough fight.
 
I suggest not deciding on what to do with Zaerys and instead plan half a dozen, contradicting contingency plans ranging from making him our Essosi Viceroy to killing him on the spot.

Lets see what the hells he divines from that!
 
bigbow said:
I suggest not deciding on what to do with Zaerys and instead plan half a dozen, contradicting contingency plans ranging from making him our Essosi Viceroy to killing him on the spot.

Lets see what the hells he divines from that!
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We have already in a sense, we have plans "in the event of" so he'll get various outcomes depending on questions asked and his own intentions.

What we could do is introduce uncertainty to the tactics instead of the strategy.

E.g. If we were to kill him for X, and he really wants to do X he might still do so and then use divination to counteract our most used spells.

Solution: Flip a coin for the damage spells we will favour or who will be tasked with focusing Zherys himself and who will focus on his minions.

Will it be at night or during the day? Flip a coin, matters not for us as the aggressor but screws his medium term buffs.

Roll a dice for who we bribe and with how much with 0 as an option, so he doesn't know who to trust, whether or not we will offer them something they will turn for etc.
Does he try to bind them closer and pauper himself for something that may never happen?
 
bigbow said:
I suggest not deciding on what to do with Zaerys and instead plan half a dozen, contradicting contingency plans ranging from making him our Essosi Viceroy to killing him on the spot.

Lets see what the hells he divines from that!
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And they should be based on totally random variables; cloudiness of the sky on the day we meet him, the color of his robes, what side of the bed we wake up on, etc.

But we should still use Divination multiple times and a Commune the night before the meeting, with my proposed questions asked.
 
bigbow said:
I suggest not deciding on what to do with Zaerys and instead plan half a dozen, contradicting contingency plans ranging from making him our Essosi Viceroy to killing him on the spot.

Lets see what the hells he divines from that!
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We could just brainstorm the various painful ways we'll sacrifice him if he ever displeases us. :V
 
[X] Plan Compromise.

Meh the baby will probably keep for a month at least. Besides, I would call honest bullshit if some natural part damphire is somehow more difficult than whatever the fuck Damphair did to the Changelings mom.
 
Goldfish said:
We know he intends to bind us in some manner, so yeah, we can hear him out...after we use Commune and ask these questions:

1) Does he intend to bind us magically?
-a) If Yes, will Zherys cast the spell himself?
--b) If No to the spell, will he use an enchanted object?
---c) If No to the object, will he have another cast the spell?
----d) And if No to the proxy spell, will he use the supernatural abilities of a creature?

2) If No to the first question, ask if he will attempt to bind us politically?
-a) If Yes, is it through marriage?
--b) If No to marriage, will it be through oaths of fealty?
---c) If No to fealty, will he attempt to integrate us into the Volantine power structure?
----d) If Yes to political integration, will he be our subordinate?

3) If No to magical or political binding, will he attempt to use threats to control our actions?
-a) If Yes, will these threats be against our loved ones?
--b) If No to threatened loved ones, will he threaten our physical holdings?
---c) If No to threatening our domain, will he threaten our allies?

4) If No to binding via magic, politics, or violence, will he attempt to bind us through bribery?
-a) If Yes, will he bribe us with magic lore?
--b) If No to lore, will he bribe us with crafting materials?
---c) If No to crafting materials, will he bribe us with treasure?

5) If No to all previous questions, will he attempt to bind us through duty?
-a) If Yes, is it duty to protect people?
--b) If No to protection, is it duty to our ancestors?
---c) If No to our ancestors, is it duty to our family?
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keep in mind that trying to bind us magically does not mean it will be a hostile action, he may want us to sign a magical non-aggression pact or something.
 
It was payment for services rendered, not an ultimatum. His intent is for us to be agreeable, not embittered.
 
das_slash said:
keep in mind that trying to bind us magically does not mean it will be a hostile action, he may want us to sign a magical non-aggression pact or something.
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That's as bad, the problem with a magical contract is the writer has the best opportunity for loopholes.

With a regular contract if he breaks faith but not the letter we can get away with crushing him.

With a magical contract this is not the case and I would fight tooth and nail not to sign one.

Speaking of contracts let's bring this back into the convo

Contract of Nepthas

1400gp (700gp to craft) {Can't remember formula for Planetosi and PoMS prices }

Contract of Nepthas: Easily mistaken for a scroll if Found as treasure, this item is actually a magical contract, usually contained in an ivory tube and scribed in black Ink on golden-brown vellum. The details of the contract are blank, and the user can fill it in with any instructions, agreement, or conditions he cares to create. When the contract is signed, though, the item's true power is revealed to both parties, and any signatory who breaks the contract is subject to a curse that strikes it blinded, deafened, and mute (no saving throw, though spell resistance applies). The curse of a contract of Nepthas can be removed only by means of remove curse cast by an 8th-level spellcaster or a break enchantment spell (DC 25).
Because a contract typically involves two parties agreeing on a set of conditions, nonspecific terms might allow a clever signatory to escape them without suffering the contract's curse. For example, if an adventurer signs a contract with a king stating that she will slay a dragon in the Northern Hills by the eve of the new moon, the contract is effectively open-ended by virtue of its not specifying "the next new
moon," even if that was both parties' meaning and intent. Contracts signed by creatures under the infl uence of charm
or compulsion effects are null and void.
Moderate enchantment; CL 11th; Craft Wondrous Item,
lesser geas; Price 1,400 gp.
 
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He's evil... not foolish.
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:02 AM, finished with 102193 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Compromise
    -[X] Laws / A Code of Laws - Viserys
    -[X] Lich / Voice of a Dead Dragon - Viserys
    -[X] Xorn / Gratitude carved in stone - Viserys, Dany, Richard, Xor
    -[X] Zherys / The offering that binds - Viserys, Dany, Vee, Richard, Garin, Lya
    -[X] Minotaur Faith / Tales for a new people - Dany
    -[X] Train Minotaurs (Armor) - Richard
    -[X] Research - Lya
    --[X] Start with Power of the Soul
    --[X] Once that is done, learn spells in this order:
    ---[X] Keep Watch
    ---[X] Mages private sanctum
    ---[X] Celerity
    ---[X] Manyjaws
    ---[X] Lesser Globe of Invulnerability
    ---[X] Lyas pick from there on
    -[X] Crafting by Wight:
    --[X] Upgrade Carving Tools for 375 IM
    --[X] 2x Amulet of PfE for 800 IM
    --[X] Add up to 4x more PfE if we get more funds on MS
    --[X] When the Wights are idle, let them make minor trinkets for resale on SD's market.
    -[X] Sacrifice Turtles /Yss - Vee
    --[X] confirm with Yss that our baleful polymorph prevented the Maenads from escaping the way the others did. If so, sacrifice the leader Manead to him.
    --[X] Use the others for a Weirwood post haste
    -[X] Memory Harvesting - Vee, Tyene
    -[X] Yss / Servants of the Serpent: Waymar
    -[X] Visit Mantarys / Journey to the East: Mantarys - Xor
    --[X] Learn from Yreal
    --[X] Take the Elysium Apple along to figure out what we could do we with it
    -[X] Scout Tyrosh / Journey to the East: Tyrosh - Maelor, Glyra
    --[X] Try to get a feel for the city and maybe make som unofficial aquaintances among the lower rungs of society or the local fey
    -[X] Identify: VS Armor - Maelor
    -[X] Identify: Standard - Glyra
    -[X] Send ships
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Sunspear.
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Gulltown, then White Harbor.
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Pentos, then Myr.
    --[X] For all three galleons, have Lya check in with them using Whispering Sands in the late afternoon/early evening. When they reach their destination, scry on their captains and teleport over to establish them as destinations for the future (have Ser Richard and Vee take a 10 minute break to accompany Viserys there and back again). The ships to Westeros should fly a Tyroshi flag, and the ship to Pentos/Myr should fly a Braavosi flag.
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[X] Azel

I'm not sure we should spend Dany's time on Minotaurs rather than the already half-finished summoning preps, but otherwise it's a good compromise.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by TalonofAnathrax on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:17 AM, finished with 212 posts and 13 votes.
  • [X] Plan Compromise
    -[X] Laws / A Code of Laws - Viserys
    -[X] Lich / Voice of a Dead Dragon - Viserys
    -[X] Xorn / Gratitude carved in stone - Viserys, Dany, Richard, Xor
    -[X] Zherys / The offering that binds - Viserys, Dany, Vee, Richard, Garin, Lya
    -[X] Minotaur Faith / Tales for a new people - Dany
    -[X] Train Minotaurs (Armor) - Richard
    -[X] Research - Lya
    --[X] Start with Power of the Soul
    --[X] Once that is done, learn spells in this order:
    ---[X] Keep Watch
    ---[X] Mages private sanctum
    ---[X] Celerity
    ---[X] Manyjaws
    ---[X] Lesser Globe of Invulnerability
    ---[X] Lyas pick from there on
    -[X] Crafting by Wight:
    --[X] Upgrade Carving Tools for 375 IM
    --[X] 2x Amulet of PfE for 800 IM
    --[X] Add up to 4x more PfE if we get more funds on MS
    --[X] When the Wights are idle, let them make minor trinkets for resale on SD's market.
    -[X] Sacrifice Turtles /Yss - Vee
    --[X] confirm with Yss that our baleful polymorph prevented the Maenads from escaping the way the others did. If so, sacrifice the leader Manead to him.
    --[X] Use the others for a Weirwood post haste
    -[X] Memory Harvesting - Vee, Tyene
    -[X] Yss / Servants of the Serpent: Waymar
    -[X] Visit Mantarys / Journey to the East: Mantarys - Xor
    --[X] Learn from Yreal
    --[X] Take the Elysium Apple along to figure out what we could do we with it
    -[X] Scout Tyrosh / Journey to the East: Tyrosh - Maelor, Glyra
    --[X] Try to get a feel for the city and maybe make som unofficial aquaintances among the lower rungs of society or the local fey
    -[X] Identify: VS Armor - Maelor
    -[X] Identify: Standard - Glyra
    -[X] Send ships
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Sunspear.
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Gulltown, then White Harbor.
    --[X] Send a small galleon on a trade mission to Pentos, then Myr.
    --[X] For all three galleons, have Lya check in with them using Whispering Sands in the late afternoon/early evening. When they reach their destination, scry on their captains and teleport over to establish them as destinations for the future (have Ser Richard and Vee take a 10 minute break to accompany Viserys there and back again). The ships to Westeros should fly a Tyroshi flag, and the ship to Pentos/Myr should fly a Braavosi flag.
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Azel said:
Proposal:

Still a lot of time left, but I tried to cram everything in there we can get done at home.


@DragonParadox, can we have Xor do some of the work for Garins kid to free up some Lya or Dany time?
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[x] A call into the Ether: Have to call otherworldly beings as servants, allies, or sources of information. With a better understanding of the tower's wards, the process will not be near as time-consuming.
-[] i hope that we can summon archons and have them serve as judges in every settlement we own
--[] first you don't have to waste your time listening to cases instead of work, second you have a just system that never go corrupt and third a just legal system will keep the society you are build moral (civilization that are not moral become so corrupt that the system can not function anymore so the system collapses)

i hope you add this to any plan you make
 
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