I just though about something , the street of steel in King'slanding is likely the single greatest concentration of metal workers in the world though they may to be the most knowledgeable like their counterparts in Quhour or experienced in working with imperial magic like the ones in Everfire but they are none the less very numerous ,skilled and experienced . since false king Robart two cuck held massive tournaments on monthly or even weekly basis if he could get away with it all while having ridiculously massive cash prizes for years , that meant that there were thousands of knights coming and going from King'slanding all of whom would have needed their armor and weapons repaired or replaced as the wear and tear of those tournaments and the road took their course , this sheer demand would have required the metal workers of the city to take on multiple apprentices just to keep up all of whom would have eventually left to set up their own shops as well expanding the street of steel and repeating the cycle ,this would have been going on for over a decade so their is both a massive opportunity to set up a new Everfire in King'slanding and a problem in that with Robart's tournaments drying up with him being dead and his kingdom conquered the bubble the metal workers of the city have been enjoying will pop with demand suddenly and sharply going down causing a great deal of economic woe to the city

It is worth keeping in mind that King's Landing is the single greatest city in Westeros but certainly not in your realm. Braavos is twice as large and Volantis about the same. Most knights use what is called 'castle forged steel' and for good reason that it was forged by the local smith in the local castle. That said there are definitely a lot of smiths on the Street of Steel.
 
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Interlude MCCXXXII: On Clouds of Steam
On Clouds of Steam

Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

Lem Tannerson had never seen a dragon in his life. Oh, he had heard a lot about dragons in the last few years, from the whispers going around the slave huts about how he was going to burn the masters to ash and raise up the lowly to build a better world by the Light of R'hllor, to the far less viscerally satisfying condition of being released with a signature and a bored clerk from Golgys counting heads and the meager possessions of the freed. Looking back, he was rather glad at the lack of fires, he had heard stories from other plantations where things had not gone as peacefully and dead masters usually means someone was getting hanged under the Dragon's Law. He had heard some say it was because he was the same blood as the masters, but personally he thought it was because a field of ash made poor sowing and worse taxing.

The screech of a whistle like a thousand kettles boiling over interrupted his thoughts. It was coming along the line, like some great crimson beast belching clouds of white steam as it came. If that ain't the closest thing to a dragon I have ever seen.

Alas, he did not have long to admire the sight. The throng of humanity waiting on the fused stone platform, far outnumbering what the couple of benches could hold, pressed forward like a tide of many faces... and knees and elbows. All manner of extremities that made for good poking really, as well as heavy canvas sacks like Lem himself was toting, though most of the other travelers did not boast the black flame mark of witch-work hardening. His father had called him crazy to spend so many of his hard earned shillings on that thing, but Lem reasoned that if he was going to be traveling that far on this contraption, he wanted to be damn sure all his worldly possessions did not spill out onto the floor. It came with stout hardened rope as well. Better than a steel lock, it was.

"Standing room this way! Standing room this way!" A man in the bright green of the Imperial Rail Service called, his voice harsh with familiar strain. There were three sorts of passengers on the line Lem had heard, standing, sitting and sleeping. Of course, you could sleep sitting down well enough.

"She's perfectly tame," the words were accompanied with an alarming hiss from up ahead, though nowhere near as alarming as how the voice sounded.

It was all Lem could do not to cup his hands in invocation of the Lord of Light when he saw some kind of strange feathered thing with a toothy maw and a bright red tongue among razorsharp teeth, perched on the shoulder of a boy wearing foreign robes, fringed with bright blue thread... a wizard.

"She is perfectly... er... tame." The little beast slashed its claws through the air. "I think he sort of feels the magic in the engine, it is all fire and smoke and..."

Lem was strangely reminded of the sight of an angry rooster dragged into a strange place. He put his hand into his pocket and and took out a piece of salted meat. He always had more liking for beasts than good sense, it was like his father was speaking in his ear. Still, the strange lizard-bird thing sniffed the meat cautiously, then snatched it with short sharp claws and stuffed it into his mouth.

"Thanks," the wizard said. He was Lem's age with wavy black hair and eyes to match, making him think of things he had no business doing. Wizards high in the service of the crown didn't look at freedmen with naught but a sack to their name.

Still, he could not help but asking. "Crown's not paying well enough for sitting room to Myr."

"Eh, a bit of time on my feet won't kill me as long as Sarah here does not do me in for the indignity..." he looked fondly at his pet. "There's better things to be spending marks on than a seat, eh?"

Lem nodded. "So... are you headed to Myr for work?" he ventured. What did wizards actually do besides just vague 'magic and enchantment'?

"Yeah, got a commission for the Guild... the glassblowers, you know. I just call them the Guild since they are the biggest and the most wealthy."

It was a remarkably short two hours to the city and the two did not part when they reached their destination.

OOC: I wanted to show off the trains, the dinosaur familiars and the view of same sex romance among the Essosi lower classes, which is basically no stigma since there is no pressure to produce heirs.
 
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On Clouds of Steam

Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

Lem Tannerson had never seen a dragon in his life. Oh, he had heard a lot about dragons in the last few years, from the whispers going around the slave huts about how he was going to burn the masters to ash and raise up the lowly to build a better world by the Light of R'hllor, to the far less viscerally satisfying condition of being released with a signature and a bored clerk from Golgys counting heads and the meager possessions of the freed. Looking back, he was rather glad at the lack of fires, he had heard stories from other plantations where things had not gone as peacefully and dead masters usually means someone was getting hanged under the Dragon's Law. He had heard some say it was because he was the same blood as the masters, but personally he thought it was because a field of ash made poor sowing and worse taxing.

The screech of a whistle like a thousand kettles boiling over interrupted his thoughts. It was coming along the line, like some great crimson beast belching clouds of white steam as it came. If that ain't the closest thing to a dragon I have ever seen.

Alas, he did not have long to admire the sight. The throng of humanity waiting on the fused stone platform, far outnumbering what the couple of benches could hold, pressed forward like a tide of many faces... and knees and elbows. All manner of extremities that made for good poking really, as well as heavy canvas sacks like Lem himself was toting, though most of the other travelers did not boast the black flame mark of witch-work hardening. His father had called him crazy to spend so many of his hard earned shillings on that thing, but Lem reasoned that if he was going to be traveling that far on this contraption, he wanted to be damn sure all his worldly possessions did not spill out onto the floor. It came with stout hardened rope as well. Better than a steel lock, it was.

"Standing room this way! Standing room this way!" A man in the bright green of the Imperial Rail Service called, his voice harsh with familiar strain. There were three sorts of passengers on the line Lem had heard, standing, sitting and sleeping. Of course, you could sleep sitting down well enough.

"She's perfectly tame," the words were accompanied with an alarming hiss from up ahead, though nowhere near as alarming as how the voice sounded.

It was all Lem could do not to cup his hands in invocation of the Lord of Light when he saw some kind of strange feathered thing with a toothy maw and a bright red tongue among razorsharp teeth, perched on the shoulder of a boy wearing foreign robes, fringed with bright blue thread... a wizard.

"She is perfectly... er... tame." The little beast slashed its claws through the air. "I think he sort of feels the magic in the engine, it is all fire and smoke and..."

Lem was strangely reminded of the sight of an angry rooster dragged into a strange place. He put his hand into his pocket and and took out a piece of salted meat. He always had more liking for beasts than good sense, it was like his father was speaking in his ear. Still, the strange lizard-bird thing sniffed the meat cautiously, then snatched it with short sharp claws and stuffed it into his mouth.

"Thanks," the wizard said. He was Lem's age with wavy black hair and eyes to match, making him think of things he had no business doing. Wizards high in the service of the crown didn't look at freedmen with naught but a sack to their name.

Still, he could not help but asking. "Crown's not paying well enough for sitting room to Myr."

"Eh, a bit of time on my feet won't kill me as long as Sarah here does not do me in for the indignity..." he looked fondly at his pet. "There's better things to be spending marks on than a seat, eh?"

Lem nodded. "So... are you headed to Myr for work?" he ventured. What did wizards actually do besides just vague 'magic and enchantment'?

"Yeah, got a commission for the Guild... the glassblowers, you know. I just call them the Guild since they are the biggest and the most wealthy."

It was a remarkably short two hours to the city and the two did not part when they reached their destination.

OOC: I wanted to show off the trains, the dinosaur familiars and the view of same sex romance among the Essosi lower classes, which is basically no stigma since there is no pressure to produce heirs.
Made a few additional edits to the chapter, DP.

This was a perfect little slice of life world building interlude, IMO. So much good stuff packed into a small package, dude.

It had everything, romance, adventure, magic, dinosaurs, a train standing in for a dragon... 🤓
 
I often wondered what it felt like to be the first people to see a train. The fastest speed they ever traveled was by horse or boat. Now they can travel highway speeds on a huge machine.

I can see the locomotive traveling at highway speeds past a castle which only just had carriages with horses last year.
The voice from Civ 5 comes to my head, "Welcome to the industrial Age!"
 
"I come to sssit in judgement. Sspeak fairly or not at all..."

"What is this?" three dead voices asks in shock and anger, but you pay them no mind.
currently rereading/catching up (havent read since '19 [i think])- i love that the thread's reaction to getting an unreliable narrative from a divine being was to go get our lawyer
thread's alignment at this point is Lawful Hilarious
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 25, 2021 at 3:36 AM, finished with 30 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through
    -[X] Speak with the relevant Ministries about the possibility of awarding the Glassblower's and Weaver's Guilds of Greyport contracts to produce glass laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, and uniforms and other clothing for Legion soldiers. If this wouldn't be beneficial to the relevant guilds, or would negatively impact our other suppliers too greatly, we will not award such contracts.
    -[X] We will also make it known among the guilds that there may be new job opportunities available to them in other parts of the Imperium where their skills will be in greater demand and thus potentially more lucrative. If they are willing to relocate, we might subsidize their travel expenses, depending on their finances and destination.
    [X] Lean on the Iron Bank to get more loans through
    -[X] Speak with the relevant Ministries about the possibility of awarding the Glassblower's and Weaver's Guilds of Greyport contracts to produce glass laboratory equipment, Alchemical and potion vials, and uniforms and other clothing for Legion soldiers. If this wouldn't be beneficial to the relevant guilds, or would negatively impact our other suppliers too greatly, we will not award such contracts.
    -[X] We will also make it known among the guilds that there may be new job opportunities available to them in other parts of the Imperium where their skills will be in greater demand and thus potentially more lucrative. If they are willing to relocate, we might subsidize their travel expenses, depending on their finances and destination.
    -[X] Open up more classes and for the workers who have lost their jobs due to the economic changes.
    -[X] Finance scholarships and income assistance.
    -[X] Maximum Scholarship budget at 0.1% of maximum revenue.
 
Part MMMDCCCLX: Digging Deeper
Digging Deeper

Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

The expansion of Imperial power into the former centers of power in the western provinces went well for the most part, the local lords having been awed by the military power that swept aside the reign of the Baratheons and Lannisters in a single night, or else desirous of the wealth and prosperity which underlined that same power. From Highgarden, grumbling but compliant, to Crakehall, far more open to change and new wealth, to Riverrun under the hand of counts who had been humbled but not lacking any measure of the ambition which had raised their House so high, matters seemed to be progressing as well as might be hoped. Legion patrols patrolled the countryside and the lawmen took on the task of the earlier city guards, integrating those of their predecessors which could be trusted.

Of course, there is no mark of trust writ upon the faces of men and teething troubles were common, from those who would not let go of, or at least moderate, the old habit for sticky fingers to former roadwardens and men-at-arms who still considered themselves more in the service of the local lord than the law of the land as a whole. The newly arrived and in many cases newly minted judges were almost instantly swamped with cases, mostly property and contract law, reeling from the seismic shifts to the economy and the flow of trade, but also in many cases, what has came to be called informally 'Aegon's Law' cases, named not for the Conqueror, but for Aegon the Fifth, suits were brought against the nobility by smallfolk, for the most part merchants, craftsmen and other folk of means.

A great deal of coin changed hand both in court and out of it in private settlement and quite a few bastards suddenly caught their fathers' eye again. Had it not been for the robust and unremitting guarantee from the throne that lines of succession would be respected and enforced, that alone would have sparked scores if not hundreds of legal challenges from those who wished to ensure that the new crop of bastards would not interfere in old agreements bound in blood.

It was the bonds of ink however, those new-made contracts in the mercantile manner, that held the eye of most of the forward-looking nobility. Absent the old patchwork of tariffs and taxes which had echoed age old alliances and grudges trade flourished, and those who had the wit to stake their fortunes on that sooner rather than later won considerably. Bracken horses passes though Blackwood lands on their way to market and the ships of House Florent carried Tyrell grain, or of late more Tyrell cotton as the price of bread continued to collapse.

The mining towns of the Westerlands were perhaps the most intensely scrutinized due to the nature of the workforce, not slaves of course Seven forbid... just people with nowhere to go and few useful skills to work with, making a meager living in cramped underground spaces where the danger of a cave-in or suffocation was ever present. Yet for all this, for all the peril and all the toil it is not the work itself but its lack that causes the most rumbles of unrest. A talisman of stone shaping, acquired through the auspices of the Ministry to Trade by even the most insular of lords could replace the work of countless miners.

Worse yet many of the mining towns have little to offer out of work miners, there is no farming on the high slopes and precious little herding. Something must be done and quickly lest unrest turn to violence.

Bring Imperial Law to the Western Provinces
  • Highgarden: 65 (Success)
  • Crakehall: 25 (Success)
  • Riverrun: 18 (Success)

What do you do about the out of work miners and their families?

[] Promise relocation to the colonies (Administrative actions needed)

[] Promise re-training (Education actions needed)

[] Offer immediate state aid

[] Write in


OOC: The issue with the mines was always going to happen since that was a preexisting thing in the region.
 
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OOC: The issue with the mines was always going to happen since that was a preexisting thing in the region. Not yet edited.
Can they even compete as long as we have open trade with the PoE?

If suddenly every metal you pull out of the earth, from gold to base iron, is worth somewhere between half and a fifth of its original price, it can make even low-standard mines rather unprofitable.
Unless we use protective tariffs on raw ressource imports from off-plane or something like that?
 
Can they even compete as long as we have open trade with the PoE?

If suddenly every metal you pull out of the earth, from gold to base iron, is worth somewhere between half and a fifth of its original price, it can make even low-standard mines rather unprofitable.
Unless we use protective tariffs on raw ressource imports from off-plane or something like that?

Yes, because the volume of trade is less than the total demand of the Imperium. Those mines have lost value, that is why they are struggling but they are not utterly unprofitable.
 
Yes, because the volume of trade is less than the total demand of the Imperium. Those mines have lost value, that is why they are struggling but they are not utterly unprofitable.
And what if Pech and Kobolds spread further and there are more of them?
Will the mines then just carry on with even less margin of profit or will they be sold out to those willing to use optimal creatures for better results?

And what is to stop us from buying or conquering richer ore-veins in the wild earth, as the Shaitan constantly do?

We seem to be delaying the death of this industry more than actually stopping it.
Might be better to try and retrain the workers rather than prop up the mining industry.
 
And what if Pech and Kobolds spread further and there are more of them?
Will the mines then just carry on with even less margin of profit or will they be sold out to those willing to use optimal creatures for better results?

And what is to stop us from buying or conquering richer ore-veins in the wild earth, as the Shaitan constantly do?

We seem to be delaying the death of this industry more than actually stopping it.
Might be better to try and retrain the workers rather than prop up the mining industry.

Pech and kobolds are more likely than not eventually spread to their mines as well, they own the land and the deposits.
 
They would, by using Everfire Smelters on site to process ore and provide steam power, use Stone Shape items to vastly enhance mining speed and likely other things to lower costs. Like Roose Bolton planning to replace all the remaining menial work with undead, leaving him with mines operated by about two dozen engineers and nobody else.
 
So, can we start some retraining and ressetlement program for the current Westerland-mineworkers, since their livelyhood will like fail within the next years, at most decades?
 
Digging Deeper

Twenty-Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 294 AC

The expansion of Imperial authority into the former centers of power in the western provinces went well for the most part, the local lords having been awed by the military strength that swept aside the reign of the Baratheons and Lannisters in a single night, or else desirous of the wealth and prosperity which underlined that same power. From Highgarden, grumbling but compliant, to Crakehall, far more open to change and new wealth, to Riverrun under the hand of counts who had been humbled but not lacking any measure of the ambition which had raised their Houses so high, matters seemed to be progressing as well as might be hoped. Legionnaires patrolled the countryside and the Lawmen took on the task of the earlier city guards, integrating those of their predecessors which could be trusted.

Of course, there is no mark of trust writ upon the faces of men. Teething troubles were common, from those who would not let go of, or at least moderate, the old habit for sticky fingers, to former roadwardens and men-at-arms who still considered themselves more in the service of the local lord than the law of the land as a whole. The newly arrived and in many cases newly minted judges were almost instantly swamped with cases, mostly property and contract law, reeling from the seismic shifts to the economy and the flow of trade, but also in many cases, what had came to be called informally 'Aegon's Law' cases, named not for the Conqueror, but for Aegon the Fifth. Suits were brought against the nobility by smallfolk, for the most part merchants, craftsmen, and other folk of means.

A great deal of coin changed hands, both in court and out of it in private settlements, and quite a few bastards suddenly caught their fathers' eye again. Had it not been for the robust and unremitting guarantee from the throne that lines of succession would be respected and enforced, that alone would have sparked scores if not hundreds of legal challenges from those who wished to ensure that the new crop of bastards would not interfere in old agreements bound in blood.

It was the bonds of ink, however, those new-made contracts in the mercantile manner, that held the eye of most of the forward-looking nobility. Absent the old patchwork of tariffs and taxes which had echoed age old alliances and grudges, trade flourished and those who had the wit to stake their fortunes on that sooner rather than later won considerably. Bracken horses passed though Blackwood lands on their way to market, and the ships of House Florent carried Tyrell grain, or as of late, more Tyrell cotton as the price of bread continued to collapse.

The mining towns of the Westerlands were perhaps the most intensely scrutinized due to the nature of the workforce. They were not slaves, of course, Seven forbid... just people with nowhere to go and few useful skills to work with, making a meager living in cramped underground spaces where the danger of a cave-in or suffocation was ever present. All these things could be fixed, of course, heatless mage lanterns in place of candle and and oil lamps, stone-shaped or hardened supports for wider tunnels. The trouble was that all this would hang heavy in the pouch and it would strike at the major revenue stream of Houses which are far from your most staunch supporters.

Bring Imperial Law to the Western Provinces
  • Highgarden: 65 (Success)
  • Crakehall: 25 (Success)
  • Riverrun: 18 (Success)
What standards of mining safety do you enforce for the Westerlands (and the wider Imperium)?

[] Low (Higher pay than is presently available, some injury compensation)

[] Medium (Higher pay, significant injury compensation, some magical improvements to the process)

[] High (Much higher pay, significant injury compensation, pech and kobold expertise used)


OOC: The issue with the mines was always going to happen since that was a preexisting thing in the region.
Made some additional edits to the chapter, DP.
 
So err... I changed the vote when I realized that the miners should be mostly out of work already thanks to stone shape items. You guys might want to look over it again.

Sorry about the confusion. I thought those items were much more expensive than they are
 
So err... I changed the vote when I realized that the miners should be mostly out of work already thanks to stone shape items. You guys might want to look over it again.

Sorry about the confusion. I thought those items were much more expensive than they are
These wouldn't be needing separate Education and Administration actions, though, right? We already have ongoing education and resettlement programs operating, AFAIK.

[X] Promise retraining and relocation to the colonies
 
These wouldn't be needing separate Education and Administration actions, though, right? We already have ongoing education and resettlement programs operating, AFAIK.

[X] Promise retraining and relocation to the colonies

The miners and their families require specialized aid in both cases, so yes they need distinct actions unfortunately. Generally speaking education efforts are more diffuse and relocation actions are focused on helping those who already have the skills to work well here
 
The miners and their families require specialized aid in both cases, so yes they need distinct actions unfortunately. Generally speaking education efforts are more diffuse and relocation actions are focused on helping those who already have the skills to work well here
Considering how many miners there are in the Westerlands and how important they were to the economy there, having most of them unemployed isn't going to do anyone any favors, IMO. Better to put dedicated effort toward helping them get back on their feet rather than leaving them to fend for themselves, I guess.
 
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