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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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A god's testimony can't be considered reliable for the fact that the God might not actually be able to give that testimony in a manner that is comprehensible to the mortal mind, bereft of its original context / medium of information transference.

You can't tell me an answer delivered in one of--

A) Interpretive Dance
B) Vision Quest only possible to experience while those being testified before are high on Weirwood Fruit
C) Slight vaporization of those who hear the words of power used
D) Madness only curable by erasing the last fifteen non-subjective minutes of memory (because the memetic hazard will probably have them trapped inside their own minds with knowledge man was not meant to know and Drow only barely)

...won't occur.
 
Crake said:
A god's testimony can't be considered reliable for the fact that the God might not actually be able to give that testimony in a manner that is comprehensible to the mortal mind, bereft of its original context / medium of information transference.

You can't tell me an answer delivered in one of--

A) Interpretive Dance
B) Vision Quest only possible to experience while those being testified before are high on Weirwood Fruit
C) Slight vaporization of those who hear the words of power used
D) Madness only curable by erasing the last fifteen non-subjective minutes of memory (because the memetic hazard will probably have them trapped inside their own minds with knowledge man was not meant to know and Drow only barely)

...won't occur.
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Hence my proposal for heralds instead of deities.
 
My first instinct is that we should let them ask for his testimony but make it clear that Gods are allowed to refuse. That way, Gods who aren't the type to take the stand just won't if someone tries to call them.
 
065tdsa said:
My first instinct is that we should let them ask for his testimony but make it clear that Gods are allowed to refuse. That way, Gods who aren't the type to take the stand just won't if someone tries to call them.
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There's not a lot of ways to compel a god to do something, so there's no way the Curia will ever be able to do more than ask for it.
 
Honestly I think people seem to forget where exactly we stand where it comes to the gods.

That is to say that our perceived irrelevance comes from the fact that we not only dealt with said gods through multiple occasions where they were not at their best, but also spent a large amount of effort and capital to build up their strength in mutually beneficial arrangements.

We could ask one of the pantheon for an audience and there's a non-zero chance they would grant it because we don't blow smoke up their ass and call it a bidet.

If someone else tried, especially someone not of the faith, in such a way were the god's compliance is expected they very well may get their message through such helpful mediums as the classical lightning strike, the Old Testament Salt Scrub Special, or the recently in vogue Genital Wart Soliloquy.
 
Crake said:
D) Madness only curable by erasing the last fifteen non-subjective minutes of memory (because the memetic hazard will probably have them trapped inside their own minds with knowledge man was not meant to know and Drow only barely)
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If it's made official policy that this is deemed unacceptable, even in a closed session, Qyburn will be very happy about no longer having to answer questions in the Curia. :V
 
Not every god can give clear answers, in a manner the Curia can comprehend and endure, but some can, so I see no issue with letting them ask.
They'll be just as dissapointed as we were when finding out that Burny simply can't settle the doctrinal smallstuff, but that's not fully our problem.

[X] Let matters progress without your interference
-[X] While not arguing for or against the idea in general, do remind them of the practical limitation to this. They may offer invitations, but they can't compell the gods to answer (and you won't try that for them)
 
Azel said:
If it's made official policy that this is deemed unacceptable, even in a closed session, Qyburn will be very happy about no longer having to answer questions in the Curia. :V
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It's a good thing his won't be too hard to replace in the Curia, seeing as how there's always wannabe necromancers with political aspirations out there. Look at any ordinary D&D campaign. :V
 
[X] Let matters progress without your interference
-[X] While not arguing for or against the idea in general, do remind them of the practical limitation to this. They may offer invitations, but they can't compell the gods to answer (and you won't try that for them)

I like this one and I'm honestly interested to see what Zathir will have to say.
 
Azel said:
There's not a lot of ways to compel a god to do something, so there's no way the Curia will ever be able to do more than ask for it.
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My point was about legal compulsion, not actual compulsion, but yes, that is why I think we should manage expectations so they don't go calling the Old Gods and get surprised when a tree doesn't sit in the stand.
 
[X] Speak up against the notion, the precedent is too dangerous

I think we should refuse not only on the grounds that the precedent is too dangerous, but also because Gods aren't citizens of the Imperium. They're allies with their own Kingdoms, and we don't casually call up allied rulers for questioning.
 
[X] Speak up against the notion, the precedent is too dangerous
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I think we should refuse not only on the grounds that the precedent is too dangerous, but also because Gods aren't citizens of the Imperium. They're allies with their own Kingdoms, and we don't casually call up allied rulers for questioning.
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Zathir does kinda live in our Empire though.
Most gods have their own realms, even Yss is currently rebuilding his somewhere (Astral Plane or Dream maybe?), but the winged snek really lived here as something like a citizen to my knowledge.

But aside from that specific point, would we allow people who are just allies the kind of influence gods have on many of our citizens?
They are making rules for our citizens, giving out magic (with the option to withdraw it) and other stuff that would look weird if the Shaitan tried it here.
 
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