Of course there are means of ciphering such things, I'm sure. Put the markings inside the stone (inside a layer), put something impossibly complex and meaningless outside, for example.

Being able to underbid others on warding projects across the planes is worth a lot, or so I'm tempted to believe.
 
Of course there are means of ciphering such things, I'm sure. Put the markings inside the stone (inside a layer), put something impossibly complex and meaningless outside, for example.

Being able to underbid others on warding projects across the planes is worth a lot, or so I'm tempted to believe.
The problem is, even with mature products and tech, our issue isn't lack of knowledge, unique resources or even suitably personally powerful champions. We have a begrudgingly respectful amount of those, and even our military is modernizing at an alarming rate.

Our issue is lack of experts. All of our production was recently done via artisanal modeled production lines, with a social model varying between late-medieval period guilds and inefficient caste systems, and early Renaissance workshops.

We have only just gotten into early-industrialization. We will not be underbidding anyone on anything for decades. Our population is also large for our time period, but small for a comparative one, and mostly unskilled labor still.

Edit: Actually, population is comparable to the 13-1400s Europe, and across two very large continents. So really quite sparse in comparison, considering the size of Europe when stacked against Westeros and Western Essos.
 
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A Study in Stones

Twentieth Day of the Ninth Month 294 AC

If it was one thing Lya had learned in the days since her coronation, it was that the little things tripped you up more than the big ones. Welcoming feasts and small talk she could do with a skill that would shock the girl who had once struggled to relate to her fellow novices. It helped that the Royces, the Starks, and even the Tyrells were very interested in things within her area of expertise. But then she would start walking down the corridors with books and tablets floating in front of her and she would get servants offering to carry them for her, so Lya would have to stop what she was doing and explain that she really did not need the help and that the levitation was part of the way she analyzed the wards' reactions.

At Winterfell she got the castle steward up in a furor because she was knocking on walls, concerned she was going to tear them down. Honestly, some people were just too lazy to use the brain they had in their heads. There was some part of Lya that wanted to stop explaining what she was doing and just get on with it, but that would send entirely the wrong message about the doings of the Crown, of which she could be counted party to these days, and so it went.

"I am not entirely sure what tests I shall be running, but I can assure you they will be safe for all concerned."

"The light is harmless, go sit in a darkened room for a bit and the spots will clear up."

"I will put all the dirt back when I am done looking at the foundations. The Earth Elemental is harmless as they come."


Then there was her current stay at Runestone. Duke Royce was an excellent host and less inclined to look over her shoulder than most, but his lady wife had made up a bedroom for her in the keep 'as befit a queen' and never mind that said queen would rather be sleeping with her husband in the capital and doing other more entertaining things in that bed besides. It would practically be an insult to refuse her once she made the offer, and her other body was doing complex astrological observations of the ley-structure which she could not break up.

The master runes she was here to look for were hidden by design at their first carving and then obscured even more over the intervening thousands of years of construction and reconstruction. That the wards would be able to recognize this new construction as part of the keep and integrate them into the protections was as extraordinary as it was frustrating.

Rather than be anchored to the area the way the ward stones they had just liberated from the Brazen Throne were, these seemed to be anchored to the very stones of the keeps, making them stronger against physical and magical attack as well as preventing unwanted phasing in a way that would likely be very odd to the genie enchanters. The wards did not enhance specific aspects of the keep like a spell of hardening or forbiddance, they just made the castle more castle-like, more real than reality as it were, like wrapping a place in the meaning of itself.

The final breakthrough came when digging beneath the ornamental gardens of all places where she found the anchor stone, or perhaps better said the anchor block, since it was an enormous block of divination proof lead that had sat there since time out of mind, its runes glowing faintly with power at the roots of the world. This would not take a lot of work from a sorcerer at all, most of it was just carving stone and metal.

Runic Wards: 85 (Success)

Gained Rune Wards:

  • Hardens construction against magical and mundane attack
  • Blocks Phased Travel as Forbiddance
  • Easy to carve and very long lasting
  • Can only be used on fixed structures
Lya dusted off her hands and looked around the mound filled garden. Time to put all the trees and shrubs back.

Do you spread the knowledge of rune wards to your allies?

[] Yes, every advantage against the Brazen Throne must be taken

[] No, it is too precious a secret to simply give away


OOC: This is a bit of a lateral upgrade compared to what you stole because the First Men had other concerns that the planar powers when making their defenses so they came up with different trade-offs.
Made some minor edits to the chapter, DP.

Another great Lya interlude, dude. She might not be the queen everyone wants, but she's the queen they damned well have, so they better get used to it! 🤓
"The light is harmless, go sit in a darkened room for a bit and the spots will clear up."

"I will put all the dirt back when I am done looking at the foundations. The Earth Elemental is harmless as they come."
These lines had me cracking up.

And damn, those are some great results. If a roll of 85 got us that, I wonder what a 100 would have done?
 
[X] Yes, every advantage against the Brazen Throne must be taken
-[X] Use the knowledge to bargain with the Shaitan and Djinn in order to gain assistance in reverse engineering the ward stones and whatever other warding knowledge we can convince them to part with.
 
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[X] Yes, every advantage against the Brazen Throne must be taken
-[X] Lya will share the rune schemes with both the Shaitan and Djinn in our next meeting to discuss the war with the Brazen Throne.
Goldfish can you also include sharing other useful info like the syllable of the final incantation(because i want to annoy him by spreading his secret) , and other useful stuff like the baleful teleport chamber idea in return for the secret ways they use to create defenses and their wards info.
 
[X] No, it is too precious a secret to simply give away

I say we keep it to our selves , seeing as our allies didn't share their own wardstone tech which would have saved us time and actions spent , but rather pointed us to the brazen throne's own wardstones to steal and reverse engineer . the long and short of it we should follow their example and keep the lore involved with our defenses to ourselves
 
[X] No, it is too precious a secret to simply give away

I say we keep it to our selves , seeing as our allies didn't share their own wardstone tech which would have saved us time and actions spent , but rather pointed us to the brazen throne's own wardstones to steal and reverse engineer . the long and short of it we should follow their example and keep the lore involved with our defenses to ourselves
It was more a DM thing. All of us needed to adventure a bit and blow dust in the sultan's eyes.
 
Goldfish can you also include sharing other useful info like the syllable of the final incantation(because i want to annoy him by spreading his secret) , and other useful stuff like the baleful teleport chamber idea in return for the secret ways they use to create defenses and their wards info.
I would rather hold onto that piece of information for now.

As for the Teleportation Chamber, that's nothing special, just an expensive piece of enchanting. It's the new 8th level spell Lya developed which makes it work. I'm not opposed to sharing that with them, but I'm not sure if now is the time or place to do it.
[X] No, it is too precious a secret to simply give away

I say we keep it to our selves , seeing as our allies didn't share their own wardstone tech which would have saved us time and actions spent , but rather pointed us to the brazen throne's own wardstones to steal and reverse engineer . the long and short of it we should follow their example and keep the lore involved with our defenses to ourselves
Yeah, it's not cool that they didn't share them with us IC, but from an OC perspective the ward stones are a new addition to the setting rules, so they couldn't have shared them with us.

@DragonParadox is going to need to come up with a good IC justification for them not doing so. I think the best one might just be that we're so new to the extraplanar scene, not to mention young and relatively untested in the grand scheme of things (in comparison to empires populated by ageless immortals which have existed since before Humans figured out how to use sharp rocks as tools), that they weren't quite willing to share such an important secret with us because the ward stones are critical to the safety and continued power of their empires in a really fundamental bedrock of their existence kind of way.

That said, we're also still very much the junior partner in this alliance. Showing that we now have access to such ward stones, and being willing to share a newly re-discovered aspect of runic warding, brings us that much closer to being fully accepted as a peer power.
 
That said, we're also still very much the junior partner in this alliance. Showing that we now have access to such ward stones, and being willing to share a newly re-discovered aspect of runic warding, brings us that much closer to being fully accepted as a peer power.
I think peer power status would come from having stuff that they don't have like the runic lore , rather a junior partner would share with his seniors while a proper partner would focus on getting stronger by leveraging as many advantages as possible to even the playing field , mind you I am not against them gaining access to the runic lore but I am against just giving it to them out of hand for anything less than equal value like their own wardstone lore, after all we could hold on to the lore until we are closer to a peer power and trade it for something more valuable so the opportunity cost must be made up for
 
I think peer power status would come from having stuff that they don't have like the runic lore , rather a junior partner would share with his seniors while a proper partner would focus on getting stronger by leveraging as many advantages as possible to even the playing field , mind you I am not against them gaining access to the runic lore but I am against just giving it to them out of hand for anything less than equal value like their own wardstone lore, after all we could hold on to the lore until we are closer to a peer power and trade it for something more valuable so the opportunity cost must be made up for
Dude dont worry we will have our lore exhanged to the for lore on the wardstones and other exotic lore they would give us
 
I think peer power status would come from having stuff that they don't have like the runic lore , rather a junior partner would share with his seniors while a proper partner would focus on getting stronger by leveraging as many advantages as possible to even the playing field , mind you I am not against them gaining access to the runic lore but I am against just giving it to them out of hand for anything less than equal value like their own wardstone lore, after all we could hold on to the lore until we are closer to a peer power and trade it for something more valuable so the opportunity cost must be made up for
If the Planes were at peace, I wouldn't be opposed to this route. The Shaitan and Djinn are at full blown war with the Efreeti, though, and we're still riding their coattails, so to speak. Making it available to our allies doesn't make us weaker, it just makes them stronger and more able to deploy their resources against the Efreeti.
Might be wiser to set up a meeting first and then haggle about tech sharing.
Gonna update my plan to better reflect this. I don't mind sharing the new info with them, though I doubt they will try to withhold the ward stone info from us now that we have stones of our own to examine. Having something of value of our own to exchange, however, does go a ways toward establishing us as a more equal partner.
 
I mean, from a general standpoint "hand this away and receive treasure in return" is pretty boring. Haggling for things is vastly more interesting and narratively satisfying.

Also, if this whole thing is moved to a full meeting that includes war planning and wider tech sharing, it offers a good framework to dump some info on the state of affairs and flesh out the actual armies involved. Which in turn brings up things that might be interesting to trade for.
 
@Goldfish, if we're considering sharing dine wards, the Djinn and Shaitan should be giving us all their warding tech, not just helping us reverse engineer Efreeti wards.
Ah, I see Skynet has sunk its electronic hooks into your device as well. We're doomed...

Plan updated somewhat to reflect our desire to extract as much warding-related info from them as possible.
 
Maybe it was just a success/failure question?


Only phased, not teleport?

Makes some sense if they were most worried about ghosts, rather than actual mages with more options.
  1. All rolls can crit, some on a 5-95 if they are particularly volatile, but most only on a nat 1-100 so as not to be too volatile
  2. Teleport too, recall that you guys could not just pop into the old keeps in Westeros back when you were making your first forays into the region
 
  1. All rolls can crit, some on a 5-95 if they are particularly volatile, but most only on a nat 1-100 so as not to be too volatile
  2. Teleport too, recall that you guys could not just pop into the old keeps in Westeros back when you were making your first forays into the region
Is that the entire research on the runic wards or will there be next levels of research because looking at brandon' Wall it seems to me we are barely scraping the really powerful uses of runewarding and runecrafting.
 
Our issue is lack of experts. All of our production was recently done via artisanal modeled production lines, with a social model varying between late-medieval period guilds and inefficient caste systems, and early Renaissance workshops.

Did you notice this:

This would not take a lot of work from a sorcerer at all, most of it was just carving stone and metal.

So it's cheap and easy to make, supposedly.
 
Teleport too, recall that you guys could not just pop into the old keeps in Westeros back when you were making your first forays into the region
We didn't try, because we thought that might be the case, but we didn't know for sure until now.

Only keep we knew for sure was the Red Keep in KL, and that was Valyria-style bloodmagic, not any ancient First Men work.
 
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