@DragonParadox, for the future turns:

[] Moving Heart Trees from beyond the Wall
[] Finishing the recipie of the Legendary death-poison we promised the Faceless on integrating them.
 
@DragonParadox, for the future turns:

[] Moving Heart Trees from beyond the Wall
[] Finishing the recipie of the Legendary death-poison we promised the Faceless on integrating them.

Will keep in mind. Moving the Heart Trees would be magic (since it is an infrastructure project with a lot of mages involved) and the other one is research of course.

So, how long do you guys think we should leave the turn up? I was thinking a full 24 hours so that everyone could get a vote no matter the time zone
 
So, how long do you guys think we should leave the turn up? I was thinking a full 24 hours so that everyone could get a vote no matter the time zone
Realistically, no point.
The 3 people most likely to propose plans or argue about them (azel, crake, goldfish) are on-site almost all the time.
Then it's bandwagon.

You might want to do that when we'll have _really_ clashing plans possible (like: fight illithids or Devils these 3 months?) Strategically, but that's gonna be rare occasion methinks.
 
Realistically, no point.
The 3 people most likely to propose plans or argue about them (azel, crake, goldfish) are on-site almost all the time.
Then it's bandwagon.

You might want to do that when we'll have _really_ clashing plans possible (like: fight illithids or Devils these 3 months?) Strategically, but that's gonna be rare occasion methinks.

I would like to encourage more participation so just saying 'well there is a bandwaggon let it run' is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
Doesn't fix all problems though. They are still vulnerable to a great many things.
I think one of the things that prevent the D&D setting from turning into a magical nuke war is the sheer scale of it all to the point were one has to ask do you have enough NUKES cause I don't think so , like take the Abyss for example an infinite number of plains layered on top of each other every one of them being either infinite in size and scale or so big that the difference doesn't matter another example would be the inner elemental plains who are also infinite in size and scale and have plenty of factions in them with all the problems that trying to govern and rule such an area would entail as the effriti would have to deal with both independent and vassal elemental princes , Azyer strongholds and salamander principalities just locally there are also outside factions and threats to consider the massive ruthless military industrial complex that is Baator always looking to gain something , the literal infinite daemon hoards of the apocalypse from the abyss , near constant raiding from the plain of air , the war with the plain of earth , Githyanki raiders and of course the scourge of the plains the mindflyers always up to restoring their old empire especially now that they are on the upswing with the heavens broken , all goes along to explaining how pirates could exist in the setting despite stuff like divination and teleporting response troops after all when you are dealing with an infinite scale and finite number of available diviners then there will always be stuff that gets missed plus you only have so many troops that can teleport and a massive area to police and protect from countless threats and those troops can only go through so many deployments to various threats one after the other before they need to rest and attrition takes its toll
 
I think one of the things that prevent the D&D setting from turning into a magical nuke war is the sheer scale of it all to the point were one has to ask do you have enough NUKES cause I don't think so , like take the Abyss for example an infinite number of plains layered on top of each other every one of them being either infinite in size and scale or so big that the difference doesn't matter another example would be the inner elemental plains who are also infinite in size and scale and have plenty of factions in them with all the problems that trying to govern and rule such an area would entail as the effriti would have to deal with both independent and vassal elemental princes , Azyer strongholds and salamander principalities just locally there are also outside factions and threats to consider the massive ruthless military industrial complex that is Baator always looking to gain something , the literal infinite daemon hoards of the apocalypse from the abyss , near constant raiding from the plain of air , the war with the plain of earth , Githyanki raiders and of course the scourge of the plains the mindflyers always up to restoring their old empire especially now that they are on the upswing with the heavens broken , all goes along to explaining how pirates could exist in the setting despite stuff like divination and teleporting response troops after all when you are dealing with an infinite scale and finite number of available diviners then there will always be stuff that gets missed plus you only have so many troops that can teleport and a massive area to police and protect from countless threats and those troops can only go through so many deployments to various threats one after the other before they need to rest and attrition takes its toll
If that was actually the case, then the infinite factions of infinite size would have long ago conquered any faction of limited size. There would be no reason for Hell or the Prime Material to exist as distinct entities. Consequently, it doesn't work with the fact that Planes exist in it's current form.
 
If that was actually the case, then the infinite factions of infinite size would have long ago conquered any faction of limited size. There would be no reason for Hell or the Prime Material to exist as distinct entities. Consequently, it doesn't work with the fact that Planes exist in it's current form.

there are other factors like for example all the outer plains more or less run on mortal souls which come from the prime material plain almost exclusively , in cannon D&D there is no one prime material world but an infinite number of crystal spheres each containing its own solar system with its own worlds as no one world could provide the output of souls needed for the outer plains , so there would also be an infinite number of limited size factions , there are plenty of prime material worlds taken over by daemons and pulled into the Abyss and likely many prime material worlds taken over by devils to used to farm souls . I also remember it being mentioned in a lore video but I am not that sure that it is really bloody hard for forces from the outer plains to enter the prime material in massive numbers without access to some really strong magic like above 9th circle strong
 
there are other factors like for example all the outer plains more or less run on mortal souls which come from the prime material plain almost exclusively , in cannon D&D there is no one prime material world but an infinite number of crystal spheres each containing its own solar system with its own worlds as no one world could provide the output of souls needed for the outer plains , so there would also be an infinite number of limited size factions , there are plenty of prime material worlds taken over by daemons and pulled into the Abyss and likely many prime material worlds taken over by devils to used to farm souls . I also remember it being mentioned in a lore video but I am not that sure that it is really bloody hard for forces from the outer plains to enter the prime material in massive numbers without access to some really strong magic like above 9th circle strong

I think the crystal spheres are more or less only Forgotten Realms and their derivatives . I do not think they get mentioned in other settings. Personally I like the way Pathfinder does that where you can just have normal planets.
 
Sure, but egoo's not wrong.

I do not think he is but I would like to get into the habit of leaving a reasonable time span for the turn vote anyway, that way if someone does come along with a plan they can post it instead of being discouraged by the fact that the vote is already closed.

On that note I'm going to do a bit of a Dany interlude two weeks from the month start and can I just say it is a relief not to have to cram everything so close, counting the hours and the actions yet to post.
 
there are other factors like for example all the outer plains more or less run on mortal souls which come from the prime material plain almost exclusively , in cannon D&D there is no one prime material world but an infinite number of crystal spheres each containing its own solar system with its own worlds as no one world could provide the output of souls needed for the outer plains , so there would also be an infinite number of limited size factions , there are plenty of prime material worlds taken over by daemons and pulled into the Abyss and likely many prime material worlds taken over by devils to used to farm souls . I also remember it being mentioned in a lore video but I am not that sure that it is really bloody hard for forces from the outer plains to enter the prime material in massive numbers without access to some really strong magic like above 9th circle strong
Requiring Epic magic for Demons to leave the Abyss is precisely one of those duct tape rule patches to fix a world building issue.

However, I don't want to touch the nonsense that is the Infinite Layers of Infinite Torment, but warfare. Much smaller can of worms.
 
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Interlude MLXXXI: On Sunset Shores
On Sunset Shores

Fifteenth Day of the Sixth Month 294 AC

It had been a bit of a surprise when Princess Daenerys announced her wish to leave the arcane luxuries of the Deep for King's Landing, not just for a short visit, but for a few weeks. Upon considering her reasoning, hiwever, it was hard to fault it. The people of King's Landing were used to a royal in residence and with all the strange new laws and new ways of doing things about, it only made sense that they would find some solace in the familiar. Knowing that one of the dragons had returned to the city, not as the frightful presence that had shaken and awed them on the night of the Conquest, would assure the people of the city that they were not forgotten to the whims of 'foreigners'.

Yet Dany had no desire to usurp the power of the Imperial Governor, far from it. She rented a small house on the Street of Sisters, not far from the Dragonpit, one that likely would have stayed empty were it not for her. The noise that rang out from the shell of the Dragonpit as it was, through craft of engineer and sorcerer, reforged into a proper arena was enough to scare off even the ubiquitous crows and pigeons, never mind the citizenry of King's Landing already made wary by the demise of the Alchemist's Guild. Here she stayed, offering what aid might be needed to the task of rebuilding not just the hollow crown of stone atop Rhaenys' Hill, but far more importantly the great cauldron of suffering humanity that was Fleabottom, which king after king past the end of the Dance had deemed too expensive or too dangerous to actually fix.

One could, she supposed, blame the great lords, the dukes and counts who by their machinations robbed the throne of much of its power and thus its ability to salve the suffering of the great host of refugees from the Crownlands and the Riverlands. Dany did not feel particularly inclined to charity in the matter, not after having seen a boy younger than her with worms wiggling under his eyelids or a woman of scarce twenty who could barely eat from the infections in her jaw. Worse still babes in arms who were yet healthy, but could barely summon up the will to cry from sheer malnourishment.

Thankfully, the latter sorts of ailments had gotten better once the food shipments were actually distributed, but still the fact that a quantifiable number of the people of King's Landing were actually starving and many, many more were teetering on the brink, being only a slight disruption in the supply chain away from experiencing the same fate.

Walking as she did mostly among the healers, it left her with perhaps a more sympathetic perspective on why those same 'clung to their hovels with their nails' as one legion colonel put it in exasperation. When what you have is almost nothing, you will fight against the prospect of losing it all the fiercer and you would be less inclined to trust hopeful promises. After all, if today is generally as bad or worse than yesterday why should you trust that tomorrow should be better?

A boy wearing very much unprincely vestments turned the corner to meet her by the side of the still ad hoc house of healing, his hair turning silver as the glamor on him shifted. "How's the round up going?"

"Poorly," he replied with a shake of his head that sent little droplets of the morning rain flying about like a particularly dejected cat. "Too many of the golden rats took your brother at his word about honest law enforcement, and knowing that they were more crooked than a shepherd's staff melted right into the crowds. All the more thugs to make trouble for us and to rile up the people they used to rob and beat up for the hell of it."

"It's not like the Goldcloaks have many skills worth hiring them over," Dany pointed out. "In some ways it's a black mark on their record worse than saying they were Lannister men."

"I bleed for the sons of bitches. I won't say from where," the boy scoffed. "They could just lie to the recruiter, it's not like they run full background checks for legion recruits, or if they haven't the wits for that, they can take the side eyes. Did you hear the latest rumor going around?"

"Probably not, they spread faster than lice and jump around as fast," Dany replied.

"Apparently, this is all a ploy to get people out of the city so we can ship them off to Essos to replace the slaves. I mean fuck, that does not even make sense. Why would we free the slaves just to replace them with the citizens around here..." Maelor sighed. "Damn am I glad I did not get this city."

OOC: Vote's still open. This is just a little prelude since I did not think the King's Landing action would change. Not yet edited.
 
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On Sunset Shores

Fifteenth Day of the Sixth Month 294 AC

It had been a bit of a surprise when Princess Daenerys announced her wish to leave the arcane luxuries of the Deep for King's Landing, not just for a short visit, but for a few weeks. Upon considering her reasoning, hiwever, it was hard to fault it. The people of King's Landing were used to a royal in residence and with all the strange new laws and new ways of doing things about, it only made sense that they would find some solace in the familiar. Knowing that one of the dragons had returned to the city, not as the frightful presence that had shaken and awed them on the night of the Conquest, would assure the people of the city that they were not forgotten to the whims of 'foreigners'.

Yet Dany had no desire to usurp the power of the Imperial Governor, far from it. She rented a small house on the Street of Sisters, not far from the Dragonpit, one that likely would have stayed empty were it not for her. The noise that rang out from the shell of the Dragonpit as it was, through craft of engineer and sorcerer, reforged into a proper arena was enough to scare off even the ubiquitous crows and pigeons, never mind the citizenry of King's Landing already made wary by the demise of the Alchemist's Guild. Here she stayed, offering what aid might be needed to the task of rebuilding not just the hollow crown of stone atop Rhaenys' Hill, but far more importantly the great cauldron of suffering humanity that was Fleabottom, which king after king past the end of the Dance had deemed too expensive or too dangerous to actually fix.

One could, she supposed, blame the great lords, the dukes and counts who by their machinations robbed the throne of much of its power and thus its ability to salve the suffering of the great host of refugees from the Crownlands and the Riverlands. Dany did not feel particularly inclined to charity in the matter, not after having seen a boy younger than her with worms wiggling under his eyelids or a woman of scarce twenty who could barely eat from the infections in her jaw. Worse still babes in arms who were yet healthy, but could barely summon up the will to cry from sheer malnourishment.

Thankfully, the latter sorts of ailments had gotten better once the food shipments were actually distributed, but still the fact that a quantifiable number of the people of King's Landing were actually starving and many, many more were teetering on the brink, being only a slight disruption in the supply chain away from experiencing the same fate.

Walking as she did mostly among the healers, it left her with perhaps a more sympathetic perspective on why those same 'clung to their hovels with their nails' as one legion colonel put it in exasperation. When what you have is almost nothing, you will fight against the prospect of losing it all the fiercer and you would be less inclined to trust hopeful promises. After all, if today is generally as bad or worse than yesterday why should you trust that tomorrow should be better?

A boy wearing very much unprincely vestments turned the corner to meet her by the side of the still ad hoc house of healing, his hair turning silver as the glamor on him shifted. "How's the round up going?"

"Poorly," he replied with a shake of his head that sent little droplets of the morning rain flying about like a particularly dejected cat. "Too many of the golden rats took your brother at his word about honest law enforcement, and knowing that they were more crooked than a shepherd's staff melted right into the crowds. All the more thugs to make trouble for us and to rile up the people they used to rob and beat up for the hell of it."

"It's not like the Goldcloaks have many skills worth hiring them over," Dany pointed out. "In some ways it's a black mark on their record worse than saying they were Lannister men."

"I bleed for the sons of bitches. I won't say from where," the boy scoffed. "They could just lie to the recruiter, it's not like they run full background checks for legion recruits, or if they haven't the wits for that, they can take the side eyes. Did you hear the latest rumor going around?"

"Probably not, they spread faster than lice and jump around as fast," Dany replied.

"Apparently, this is all a ploy to get people out of the city so we can ship them off to Essos to replace the slaves. I mean fuck, that does not even make sense. Why would we free the slaves just to replace them with the citizens around here..." Maelor sighed. "Damn am I glad I did not get this city."

OOC: Vote's still open. This is just a little prelude since I did not think the King's Landing action would change. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.

Dany, the People's Princess. 😎

Yeah, you dodged a bullet there, Maelor. You just need to be patient and wait for the right place to come along.
 
"Apparently this is all a ploy yo get people out of the city so we can ship them off to Essos to replace the slaves. I mean fuck that does not even make sense. Why would we free the slaves just to replace them with the citizens around here..." Maelor sighed. "Damn am I glad I did not get this city."
Ha! Called it! Maelor would have been miserable ruling King's Landing.
 
It makes you wonder how a human can survive with such misery.

But, like in the real world, it somehow does
As someone who grew up right below or right along the poverty line the answer is simple, because you have to.

After a while it goes beyond determination, hell even beyond spite. You live because that's all you can do, you hustle because that's what it takes to keep food in the fridge, you fight not to see tomorrow but from sheer inertia of doing nothing but fighting every day.

Eventually you don't even think about the future, you can't contemplate the past, and you're too busy busting your ass to even be in the present. Life itself just becomes one moment of movement after the other, food becomes fuel to keep you going so you can work to get more food to use as more fuel to work.

Before you know it a decade has passed and the only thing that's changed is maybe the place you sleep is either slightly better or slightly worse.
 
As someone who grew up right below or right along the poverty line the answer is simple, because you have to.

After a while it goes beyond determination, hell even beyond spite. You live because that's all you can do, you hustle because that's what it takes to keep food in the fridge, you fight not to see tomorrow but from sheer inertia of doing nothing but fighting every day.

Eventually you don't even think about the future, you can't contemplate the past, and you're too busy busting your ass to even be in the present. Life itself just becomes one moment of movement after the other, food becomes fuel to keep you going so you can work to get more food to use as more fuel to work.

Before you know it a decade has passed and the only thing that's changed is maybe the place you sleep is either slightly better or slightly worse.

Damn, man. That's deep. I take that things got better eventually for you, at least.
 
Damn, man. That's deep. I take that things got better eventually for you, at least.
I mean I'm still technically homeless but I got a big enough family that couch surfing is a valid living choice for at least the next 2 years or so. I can go where the work is, work for however long I got to stay, and then move on to the next one.

It's a nomad's life, but that's how it be on this bitch of an earth.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 16, 2021 at 10:47 AM, finished with 63 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Plan Promises and Loose Ends
    -[X] Censor - 1 Action
    --[X] City at the Gates of the World
    -[X] Ministry of Administration - 3 Actions
    --[X] Survey of Marginal Lands
    ---[X] Verdant Vale, Runestone
    --[X] Build up colonial administration
    ---[X] Sallosh
    --[X] Raise a Trade City with a Harbor near the Twins and expanding the harbor at Saltpans
    -[X] Ministry of Diplomacy - 3 Actions
    --[X] Eyes in the South
    --[X] Normalizing Relations
    ---[X] Norvos
    --[X] Trade with the Dead
    -[X] Ministry of Education - 3 Actions
    --[X] A Common Tongue
    --[X] True Speech Presses
    --[X] Noble Studies
    -[X] Ministry of Health - 3 Actions
    --[X] Clearing Flea Bottom
    --[X] Distlling and Soap Making
    --[X] Build Halls of Healing
    ---[X] Kings Landing, Oldtown, Greyport
    -[X] Ministry of Information - 3 Actions
    --[X] Local Papers
    ---[X] Kings Landing, Braavos, Volantis
    --[X] Fey Helpers
    ---[X] Wild Fey
    --[X] More than Toys
    -[X] Ministry of Justice - 3 Actions
    --[X] Bring Imperial Law to the Western Provinces
    ---[X] King's Landing, Greyport
    ---[X] Twins, Moat Cailin, mouth of the Mander, mouth of the Salmonwater, Dragonstone, Driftmark
    ---[X] Whiteharbor, Gulltown, Saltpans, Oldtown, Sunspear
    -[X] Ministry of Public Works - 3 Actions
    --[X] Upgrade the Kingsroad to Imperial Standard and Building Arterial Roads in the North and Dorne
    --[X] Making Tracks useful for train service
    ---[X] Stepstones, Disputed Lands
    --[X] Rowdy Entertainment
    ---[X] Kings Landing, Greyport, Oldtown
    -[X] Ministry of Magic - 3 Actions
    --[X] Create new Scholarum Branchess
    ---[X] Gulltown, Saltpans
    ---[X] Bright Fey
    -[X] Ministry of Taxation - 3 Actions
    --[X] Help with setting up local taxes
    ---[X] The Forks, Greater Darry
    --[X] Ethereal Taxes
    -[X] Ministry of Trade - 3 Actions
    --[X] Economical Estimates
    --[X] Supply and Demand
    --[X] Using Canals
    -[X] Ministry of War - 3 Actions
    --[X] Build Airbases
    ---[X] Bear Isle, Skagos, Morrogos, Morosh, Ar Noy
    ---[X] Casterly Rock, Harrenhall, Eyri, The Arbor, Volantis
    --[X] Deploy Troops for Invasion
    ---[X] Qohor
    -[X] The Inquisitiuon - 4 Actions
    ---[X] Highgarden, Gates of the Moon, Bloody Gate, Crakehall, Riverrun
    --[X] Deal with the Brotherhood of Huor
    --[X] Integrate Psionics
    --[X] Continue operations in Slavers Bay
    -[X] Research - 5 Actions
    --[X] Runic Wards
    --[X] The Bulwark of North
    --[X] Forging Paths of the Divine
    --[X] Further improvements in permeable Force Effects - Tier 2
    --[X] Tireless Steel, by Sorcery Moved - Warlord Pattern armor
 
Part MMMDCCLXXXV: An Easy Landing
An Easy Landing

Twenty First Day of the Sixth Month 294 AC

The Imperium was no stranger to people living in squalor, no stranger to slums certainly. From Drowned Town to the worst of East Volantis to the slums of Tyrosh that were the first challenge of the concept of arcane architecture outside the Deep to even the willful malignancy of the ironically named Hopeswill in Pnetos thy knew how to handle the worst that the cities of the world had to offer, even when their people were not willing to take it on faith that the men and woman in red were here to help. To their credit the lawmen were swift in dealing with the immediate fall out of the change in regimes, opportunistic theft and revenge killing and in the utter void of legal authority left behind by guild courts in utter chaos it was surprisingly easy to impose the Imperator's will.

For the most parts it was welcomed, acceptance of established religion with a sigh of relief, simplified criminal law with incredulity that quickly gave way to joy, standardized weights and measures with more mixed responses, though the cheers were louder and more numerous than the jeers. The citizens of King's Landing were not the simple minded barbarians that some of their new Essosi administrators counted them as. Not to say there were no clashes and flare ups of tensions, mostly in the tent city where many of the inhabitants of Fleabottom had to be relocated, but by the end of the first month it became clear that life would continue as normal with trades being plied and coin being made even in the Sweeps, so named because some whit claimed they would all be swept away by the first storm.

The first storm came and went and the tents were still there and the construction crews with their hammers and their shovels and their strange sorcery were still there.

Life was getting at least a little better every day for most of the formerly poorest inhabitants of the city. Indeed for those who were equipped to offer services to the workers with steel and silver in their pockets it was getting a lot better. The fact that some of those trades were seen as less then respectable, less than moral caused a bit of a stir but not much, not much at all in the grand scheme of things. The people of King's Landing after all had been the ones who famously rioted when King Baelor tried to close the whorehouses, Safer whorehouses without the chance of risk of the clap was heralded as a miracle often in loud and drunken voices that would make more respectable folk flinch.

The new Halls of Healing were swamped by people looking for a cure, but at that too the imperials were old hands and even in the absence of many native language speakers the mind voices of the phoenixes, the presence of actual angels and last though certainly not least the looming presence of one of the Imperator's own Heralds kept things peaceful. It seemed at times to the healers like trying to stop a flood with a bucket, but at leas thr bucket was betting bigger, with soap and hand spirits growing ever more plentiful by the day as factories and distilleries were established locally as well as in other cities.

So it was that the first title of the King's Herald, the local paper, written in imitation of the Imperial Times was a pun. A Clean Sweep, it proclaimed throughout the city, out with the Lannister cronies and the Goldcloaks who would sooner rob you than guard you from robbers and in with the New Ways that would leave you healthier in mind and body. New ways it emphasized and not new men since the editor to be seen as kissing the asses of foreigners who some were grumbling about in their tankards.

Yet as the weeks stretched into months and the new administration found its footing it became increasingly clear that the needs of the city, great and small outpaced even the resources which had been brought to bear in its aid. From getting the courts in order to establishing property lines and from making sure there would be enough food and supplies to digging new sewers everything was running just a bit behind and small delays snowballed into larger ones and larger ones again. They would not be making the deadline.

Bring Imperial Law to the Western Provinces - King's Landing: 89 (Success)
Build Halls of Healing - King's Landing Automatic Success
Distilling and Soap Making
88 (Success)
Local Papers: 75 (Success)
Clearing Flea Bottom 36 (Failure)

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OOC: I thought about doing a more complicated vote, but this is really a marginal fail on one action of many in a region so that really should not be enough to call down correction from the throne. So here we are, mostly smooth sailing. Not yet edited.
 
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