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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
Can someone link me the most recent list of the curia? It will the easier to roll the reactions to appointments if I can see all of them.
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Most recent changes haven't actually been posted in the thread, only the infographic for different criteria of the delegates.

If you go to the spreadsheet, it has all of the Curia membership in both house chambers listed there.
 
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  • [X] Plan Wider Policy
    -[X] Put Hallows on the Curia itself so that sessions are aided by a constant Tongues effect.
    -[X] The master copies of laws and other important documents will be written in Truespeech, with these copies superseding the wording in any translation for the purpose of law enforcement and judicial processes.
    -[X] Translations of these documents will be provided to the Imperial administration in Common, Low-Valyrian and any local languages that strongly diverge from those.
    -[X] The Ministries of Information, Education and Administration will actively encourage and propagate the use of loan-words, neologisms and language drift to encourage and direct the fusing of Common and Low Valyrian into a united Imperial language.
    [X] Draconic
    [X] Hollow with Tongues effect is our friend, here. No need to attach weight to the preference of language, at least in official matters. No doubt over the years language will shift and change and there will be some preference given in matters of science and magic, and yes, politics, when it comes to what tongue is spoken at court or the halls of learning, but everyone here is supposed to be sharing their voices with no misunderstandings passing between each other for the nuance lost in simile and metaphor.
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Part MMMDCCLXIII: First Debates
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    • First Debates ​

    Seventeenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

    It is no surprise to you looking down from a high seat upon the Curia that Slippery Sal should be questioned first of all the governors you have appointed. The man makes no bones about being a merchant, and his opinions about participation in government and indeed the role and purpose of said government are uncommon. You expect he shall have few allies, though devoted, among the Curia Vocium, and none among his colleagues in the higher chamber, but at the end of the day the man is appointed to Skagos, a land with far more of the stones it is named for than people. Cold, harsh and even by other Northerners seen as barbaric and strange. His speech passes and the questions dry up quickly.

    The same goes for Brenn Pyke save only for the fact that his remarks call no particular animus. Trade is good, unity is good and 'an Ironborn busied with papers is one not getting into other mischief ' as Lord Manderly notes, mostly in jest, though there is an edge of seriousness about it. Asha has a long road yet to be accepted by her peers if this is how they treat a man who was merely born to the Islands, though of course she has no confirmation to make and her claim by blood no one doubts. The irony of the contrast does not escape you, but you keep your peace going down the list.

    Lormar Tyos keeps his religious leanings to himself, and none of the lords or magisters who take heed of the academia of the Deep enough to know of them are minded to question him, and so he passes without comment.

    Kora the Kindly actually gets into a brief back and forth with Antonia Solaris, the first Glassblower of Myr, over her past. Some parts of the Disputed Lands recall her involvement in the transition from Legion administration to civilian law all too well, and not that kindly. She had argued against the heirs of several prominent families getting their lands back on the grounds of 'gross mismanagement akin to abandonment,' and one of those decisions had eventually turned against her, though the other five had not. You have to throttle the urge to interfere in what is by all accounts a local spat. Allowing such things to come into the open is half the reason why the Curia exists, and there shall be at least as much seaweed in these nets as fish if not more.

    Once the matter is settled, Lann of Dragonsmount is another thoroughly unremarked personage, and Oddo actually makes much of the hall laugh with an anecdote in his own speech. A man likely to gain a significant measure of influence to be sure, though he might not be the greatest organizer you could have picked for the task. By contrast Lorenso Cobbler barely stirs the room at the mention of his name, and his speech seems more designed to get him quickly through a less than pleasant chore.

    So you come to the Lady Indryse Umaris who is this day given stewardship of King's Landing where no hand save a king's has reigned since the days of the Conqueror. An unknown woman from Myr without any great name in her own city. That sets the fox among the pigeons the way no naming before had done, the whispers going through the chamber like a wave at sea, with more than one member of the Chambers being suddenly discomfited that they could not speak a tongue known only to their neighbors you would judge.

    Lord Paxter Redwyne, Duke of the Arbor, asks to be recognized and rises from his seat to address the throne. "Your Majesty, I do not doubt the lady's competence nor her will to better the city of King's Landing, but I must confess I am confused as to why a city so great and dear to the soul of all the Seven Kingdoms should fall under the scepter of a woman who has never even been across the Narrow Sea. Surely my esteemed colleagues from the Free Cities would raise hue and cry should one of the Daughters of Valyria fall under the hand of a man or woman of Westeros. Can I at least hope that the lady shall make use of assistants from the Seven Kingdoms, ones used to the sea and the ways of trade perhaps?"

    Ones who are related to me or under my patronage, you translate easily enough.

    What do you reply?

    [] Write in

    OOC: And we are off to the wonderful lands of politics in full.
     
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    • "She's appointed to clean, not to lead."

    Assign her 300 Fungus and Leaf Leshies and begin the War against The Stink.

    Advise them that if they don't let this be, Dany vowed to personally cleanse the region.
     
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    DragonParadox said:
    First Debates ​

    Seventeenth Day of the Fifth Month 294 AC

    It is no surprise to you, looking down from a high seat upon the Curia, that Slippery Sal should be questioned first of all the governors you have appointed. The man makes no bones about being a merchant, and his opinions about participation in government and indeed the role and purpose of government are uncommon. You expect he shall have some few though devoted allies among the Curia Vocium, and none among his colleagues in the higher chamber, but at the end of the day the man is appointed to Skagos, a land with far more of the stones it is named for than people, cold and harsh, and even by other northerners seen as barbaric and strange. His speech passes and the questions dry up quickly.

    The same goes for Brenn Pyke, save only for the fact that his remarks call no particular animus. Trade is good and unity is good, and 'an Ironborn busied with papers is one not getting into other mischief ' as Lord Manderly notes, mostly in jest, though there is an edge of seriousness about it. Asha has a long road yet to be accepted by her peers, if this is how they treat a man who was merely born to the Isles, though of course she has no confirmation to make and her claim by blood none doubts. The irony of the contrast does not escape you, but you keep your peace going down the list. Lormar Tyos keeps his religious leanings to himself, and none of the lords or magisters who take heed of the academia of the Deep enough to know of them are minded to question him, and so he passes without comment.

    Kora the Kindly actually gets into a brief back and forth with Antonia Solaris, the first Glassblower of Myr, over her past. Some parts of the Disputed Lands recall her involvement in the transition from Legion administration to civilian law all too well, and not that kindly. She had argued against the heirs of several prominent families getting their lands back on the grounds of 'gross mismanagement akin to abandonment,' and one of those decisions had eventually turned against her, though the other five had not. You have to throttle the urge to interfere in what is by all accounts a local spat. Allowing such things to come into the open is half the reason why the Curia exists, and there shall be at least as much seaweed in these nets as fish if not more.

    Once the matter is settled, Lann of Dragonsmount is another thoroughly unremarked personage, and Oddo actually makes much of the hall laugh with an anecdote in his own speech. A man likely to gain a significant measure of influence to be sure, though he might not be the greatest organizer you could have picked for the task. By contrast, Lorenso Cobbler barely stirs the room at the mention of his name, and his speech seems more designed to get him quickly through a less than pleasant chore.

    So you come to the lady Indryse Umaris who is this day given stewardship of King's Landing where no hand save a king's has reigned since the Days of the Conqueror. An unknown woman from Myr without any great name in her own city. That sets the fox among the pigeons the way no naming before had done, the whispers going through the chamber like a wave at sea, with more than one member of the Chambers being suddenly discomfited that they could not speak a tongue known only to their neighbors, you would judge.

    Lord Paxter Redwyne, Duke of the Arbor, asks to be recognized and rises from his seat to address the throne. "Your Majesty, I do not doubt the lady's competence nor her will to better the city of King's Landing, but I must confess I am confused how come a city so great and dear to the soul of all the Seven Kingdoms to fall under the scepter of a woman who has never even been across the Narrow Sea. Surely my esteemed colleagues from the Free Cities would raise hue and cry should one of the Daughters of Valyria fall under the hand of a man or woman of Westeros. Can I at least hope that the lady shall make use of assistants from the Seven Kingdoms, ones used to the sea and the ways of trade, perhaps?"

    Ones who are related to me or under my patronage, you translate easily enough.

    What do you reply?

    [] Write in

    OOC: And we are off to the wonderful lands of politics in full.
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    Made a few additional edits to the chapter, DP.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Your Majesty, I do not doubt the lady's competence not her will to better the city of King's Landing, but I must confess I am confused how comes a city so great and dear to the soul of all the Seven Kingdoms to fall under the scepter of a woman who has never even been across the Narrow Sea.
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    I am petty if I dislike him just for using that name? Western Provinces and/or Sunset Lands if he's feeling poetic, but there are no kingdoms left in the continent, much less seven of them. There is only the Imperium.
     
    Shador said:
    I am petty if I dislike him just for using that name? Western Provinces and/or Sunset Lands if he's feeling poetic, but there are no kingdoms left in the continent, much less seven of them. There is only the Imperium.
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    I mean the habits of a lifetime are not going to break in one day, or even one month, one thing to become used to saying 'Your Majesty' another to mentally rewrite the geography you have learned all your life.
     
    I see no need to cater to Paxter or any other Westerosi Lord at this point.

    [X] "Governor Umaris will surely hire on those assistants and experts as she feels necessary for the smooth governance, ongoing stability, and continued improvement of the province given into her care. It matters not whether they are men or women of Westeros or Essos, or even beings from the great realms beyond, so long as they possess the skills and temperament to accomplish the tasks to which the Governor appoints them."
     
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    I mean the habits of a lifetime are not going to break in one day, or even one month, one thing to become used to saying 'Your Majesty' another to mentally rewrite the geography you have learned all your life.
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    Oh I understand perfectly why is it happening, and I agree that it's probably not going away for a while yet. Doesn't mean I'm not going to wish we could just murder the very idea of the Seven Kingdoms as a independent political entity every time it comes up.
     
    I mean he *does* have something of a legitimate point and we're not going to be able to undo 300 years of cultural inertia in a month even if we are a frigging dragon. Obviously it needs to handled appropriately but...like his motivations are reasonable from his perspective.
     
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    I mean he *does* have something of a legitimate point and we're not going to be able to undo 300 years of cultural inertia in a month even if we are a frigging dragon.
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    Westeros was always going to be a major focus precisely for this reason. It's going to take a lot of legwork to get the continent fully integrated with infrastructure, education, etc.
     
    [X] "You raise the point of there being Seven Kingdoms, where I see dozens of provinces, and one Imperium."
    -[X] "There are even now Westerosi serving as lords and holders of high office in Essos just as well as there are now similar holding the same responsibilities in Westeros."
    --[X] "The most cogent fact of the matter I will raise is thus: Governor Umaris will hire on those assistants and experts as she feels necessary for the smooth governance, ongoing stability, and continued improvement of the province given into her care. It matters not whether they are men or women of Westeros or Essos, or even beings from the great realms beyond, so long as they possess the skills and temperament to accomplish the tasks to which the Governor appoints them."
    ---[X] "The Administration typically selects during its hiring process based on merit and qualifications, and does not discriminate based on place of origin, so long as they are a citizen of the realm in good standing. The specifics of those procedures can be plainly read if one has but the time to do so."
    ----[X] "With primary and higher education centers yet to be built in Westeros in order to create a pool of people with the desired skills, and an as of yet limited number of candidates with the proper experience, at least without already of course possessing conflicting titles barring them from office, or other responsibilities binding them," you barely need to go over the fact that the Citadel is in upheaval at this time.
    -----[X] "These are the essential facts, my Lord. Unresolved deficiencies, in knowledge, skill and familiarity, will be resolved with all due haste, yet it is still the responsibility of the Administration to ensure those experts are made available via protocol and broad-sweeping measures with a longer view in mind." And not the nobility, who would rather use these gubernatorial powers to inflate their House's influence, whereas you would like to limit the amount of corruption to a less problematic, self-compounding extent.
     
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