[X] Sul-Da

So long as we make it very clear what we want and don't him to do we should be fine with his firebrand flaw. As for his Dark Moods, a good talk with him might fix this too, or we can just flesh forge him a cute therapy puppy or something
 
So? We made the Iron Bank, their bank, of which many major influential trade magnates are Keyholders of, our Central Bank, gave it a seat on the Curia, formed a Financial Council between two other Great Powers to monitor our fiat currency tied to very stable foreign cash. We made many small-time merchants insanely rich with or economic policies and diplomatic accomplishments (opening up trade all over), made it safe and easy with magic and long-range communications, and made already rich magnates even more stupendously wealthy.

Along with inflating the prestige of Braavos by doubling its remit of governance in landmass and population, and having no less than three Braavosi among our Companions, one of which we are marrying, with the only Volantene who could be viewed from an outside perspective as a close family friend being a former slave. To a Braavosi, that puts a mild damper on the "perfidious Volantene influence" narrative, at the very least.

Anyone still mad after all that can really sit and spin when Lorath gets one large boost to its prestige... an indirect one at that.
Not to mention Menel is an adopted son of Braavos just like Viserys is.
 
Not to mention Menel is an adopted son of Braavos just like Viserys is.
That's what really grinds my gears, and I just edited that in. Menel loves Braavos!

Talk about fucking shooting yourself in the foot. The man may have a spotty reputation in some places, but that's apples and oranges compared to our regularly fighting back to fucking back with Zherys, which probably should be more concerning that we trust him in close range when he's known for a spell called Disintegrate and being very, very good with it. More than most mages, in fact.
 
That's what really grinds my gears, and I just edited that in. Menel loves Braavos!

Talk about fucking shooting yourself in the foot. The man may have a spotty reputation in some places, but that's apples and oranges compared to our regularly fighting back to fucking back with Zherys, which probably should be more concerning that we trust him in close range when he's known for a spell called Disintegrate and being very, very good with it. More than most mages, in fact.
It's so absurd I'm wondering if this is a case of DP forgetting that detail since it's been literally years since he first made the character, or if the Braavosi magnates really are being that petty.
 
It's so absurd I'm wondering if this is a case of DP forgetting that detail since it's been literally years since he first made the character, or if the Braavosi magnates really are being that petty.

Yeah. I think it's an oversight on my part. Also, if there's anyone in this world that would show how petty they are, it would be either one of the Three Sisters, not Bravos.
 
It does make me want to take a swing at the first person who voices dissent over the appointment from the Braavosi quarter. There's nothing like making someone into a social pariah over pointing out the very obvious flaws in their reasoning for hating someone their boss is favorable toward.
 
Really, if there's anyone who can be said to be winning more than Dorne, it's Braavos.

Their Iron Bank is our imperial bank.

Through Sorcerer's Deep they get safe and reliable access to the genie realms Opaline Vault, Armun Kelisk, and Vialesk for that sweet extraplanar trade, using currency recognized by all three.

Braavos is recognized as the first actual ally of the Imperium before they voluntarily joined us.

The future Empress is Braavosi.

I could list like a hundred things but you get the picture. Braavos has been winning for years.
 
It's so absurd I'm wondering if this is a case of DP forgetting that detail since it's been literally years since he first made the character, or if the Braavosi magnates really are being that petty.
It might not be genuine offense, but a matter of people actively trying to find something to be offended about. There are stupid people everywhere, after all.

And like you said, Braavos has really been doing well for itself lately. There are likely already people who will see that not as good fortune, but a natural product of their superiority, so when something doesn't work in their favor, it's time to gather the rabble.
 
---[X] Ministry of Administration - Concerned with expanding and maintaining the bureaucracy to take care of the needs of the bureaucracy, such as hiring, payroll, creating office space and so on. Also responsible for creating and maintaining public housing (in conjunction with the Ministry of Public Works) and the bread dole (in conjunction with the Ministry of Health).
---[X] Ministry of Taxation - Concerned with collecting taxes, investigating tax fraud and maintaining the infrastructure for these tasks. Will interface with local law enforcement and in special cases with the Inquisition to enforce imperial tax law.
---[X] Ministry of Propaganda Information - Concerned with maintaining the Mirror Vision Network, the Imperial Times and other, more local publications. Will interface with the Inquisition to prevent the spread of "improper" publications, "falsehoods" and similar tasks.
---[X] Ministry of Trade - Concerned with monitoring and regulating trade, and stimulating industrial growth. Interfaces with the Ministry of Taxation for trade related taxes.
---[X] Ministry of War - Concerned with supplying, training, maintaining and creating / procuring equipment for the Imperial Armed Forces.
---[X] Ministry of Public Works - Concerned with land management, settlement planning, creating and maintaining infrastructure, and running public services such as the post offices and sewage management. Will work closely with the Ministry of Administration in many of these tasks to ensure proper bureaucratic integration.
---[X] Ministry of Education - Concerned with running public schools, orphanages and universities. Also responsible for public research conducted by the universities.
---[X] Ministry of Magic - Concerned with the use and impact of magic on the realm, serving mostly as an interface between other ministries, the Scholarium system and other special interest groups. Their main work will be to organize magic support for other ministries and to oversee the solving of magic related issues.
---[X] Ministry of Diplomacy - Concerned with keeping in regular contact with other polities, both on-plane and off-plane, on behalf of the Imperium. Otherwise works mostly on order by the Imperator and maintains the necessary staff and negotiators to fulfill their duties.
---[X] Ministry of Justice - Concerned with maintaining and overseeing the law-enforcement in the realm, and acting as the persecutors for all crimes that do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition.
---[X] Ministry of Health - Concerned with creating and maintaining public health programs and managing plagues and similar concerns. Also tasked with conducting research on the matters of health and medicine.

Administration: Probably going to be hand selected by Alinor, and I foresee little reason to oppose her suggestion. This was basically her former role so I foresee her presenting someone from her personal staff as a likely successor.

Taxation: Part of me says we should just start as we mean to go on and get Amrelath to do this, if he weren't so rapacious about his hoarding instincts as most old school Red Chromatics tend to be. But it would definitely sell the image that if you fuck with our taxes in any way big or small, it will turn into a motherfucking fire-breathing dragon of a problem. Specifically, your problem.

Information: Need Genned candidates for this, since I think the person for this role pretty much has to have a history of coming up from unusual quarters or by being absolutely loyal for good cause, and Viserys stated himself he mostly views the Curia to be vastly loyal to themselves, with loyalty to Viserys mostly being a conditional thing of convenience since we've arranged things to fall that way.

Trade: Menel (for multiple well-established reasons, but also because he's good at this and I foresee zero issues with him having policy preferences that vastly differ with our own views on Trade)

War: Beryl (she's gotten good at organizing, and also having basically acted as the Dean for the Imperial Military Academy for the past year, so she'd do fine). Definitely qualified for the job, too. Maybe even overqualified.

Public Works: Shad is still a good candidate for this.

Education: Velen might actually be a good pick for this.

Magic: Unlike what the Lannisters did with Kevan, this guy is practically guaranteed to be such a WBL-mancer that for all practical purposes he's basically a mage, or an actual mage. So this post definitely won't have the veneer of "person who herds murderous, fireball throwing, shapeshifting cats", and more like the coordinator of the cat-like activities via green-ink rubber stamp. Though I'm coming up blank with suggestions.

So probably Genned.

Diplomacy: Honestly, Xor would probably do fairly good in this role. There's the obvious negative in that anyone with issues against all Far Realm-natured denizens might have issues, but if we had the Azure Court and Githzerai publicly give him their rubber stamp in some fashion by tacitly showing no issues with dealing with him (something I think we can actually arrange), it would really only be an issue with people we haven't yet established a longer-spanning history with.

Would also put our money where our mouth is, with regards to integration of all sorts of intelligent peoples. And there's the obvious logic--for most practical purposes, Xor wouldn't personally be acting as an envoy, so much as managing how our foreign policies are conducted on an organizational level once we've decided on what stance to take. Considering Xor is publicly a Companion, has been for years, and has been living in close quarter with us for years, any new foreign entity who has reason to distrust him is so paranoid that they should already distrust the whole lot of us right off the bat, so it avoids the issue of offending anyone who simply just prefers not to be in close quarters with Aberrations, rather than simply being virulently xenophobic.

Justice: Genned, probably.

Health: Genned, probably.
 
Administration: Probably going to be hand selected by Alinor, and I foresee little reason to oppose her suggestion. This was basically her former role so I foresee her presenting someone from her personal staff as a likely successor.

Actually what ever happened to the Frey that's been working under her as her assistant or something? I know we put them there to improve his administration skills he was already good at but not sure how skilled he is at this time or his improvements.
 
Are we not appointing Malarys due to overlap in duties?
There's a large difference between the two.
--[X] In deference to the ever expanding need for high-level jurisprudence you will great the Imperial High Court, which will be the penultimate legal instance in the realm.
--[X] The court will be made up of 5 High Judges, one of which will serve as the Chief Justice and leader of the body.
--[X] The High Court will only hear cases that directly fall under Imperial jurisdiction (such as differences between Dukes) and appellations from lower courts. The court can dismiss appellations at-will and thus upheld the ruling of the lower court.
--[X] Cases resolved by the High Court can only appealed directly to the Imperator.
--[X] In cases of criminal law that must directly be tried by the Imperator, such as treason by high-ranking government members, dukes, governors or similar, the Chief Justice will act as the persecution or appoint a persecutor.
--[X] The High Court can initiate investigations into the behavior of lower courts and persecutors to detect and punish misbehavior's and illegal activities.
--[X] The initial Chief Justice will be Malarys Varnor, with the other High Justices to be appointed.
The High Court sits on and judges cases which reach up to the second highest level, with the highest level being Viserys. For most practical purposes, this is the last stop for a case before it gets put in front of Viserys, cases which were appealed from the previous levels of Judicial bodies.

Malarys is also the one who is supposed to act as Viserys' prosecutor when someone commits high crimes. This is not a thing that can be gauged in terms of how much time it would take up for him. Ideally, very little to none at all, but it would absolutely interfere with the duties the Ministry head would hold.

Finally, and what takes up the bulk of its attention, it, with Malarys in charge, is responsible for providing oversight to the lower courts and court officials and initiating investigations for corruption, and with how large our justice system is growing, this absolutely cannot be done in addition to:

---[X] Ministry of Justice - Concerned with maintaining and overseeing the law-enforcement in the realm, and acting as the persecutors for all crimes that do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Inquisition.

If you want a clear example, Malarys is what you get when your job is to follow-through and reinforce precedents already set and exhibit jurisprudence at the highest level. Because people are paying attention to what happens in the High Court due to the likely spectacle of the crimes in question, even if these cases are rarer, it is rather informative for the practices of the entire justice system.

Whereas the Minister of Justice is responsible for the organizational morass that is running law enforcement agencies, coordinating and maintaining separation of respective jurisdictions, directing legal officials, and managing all of the paperwork associated with that.

In addition, it doesn't make much sense for someone with so much paperwork and subordinates to manage to even be able to randomly take some time off work to go murder an apocalyptic threat when they usually manage an organization of thousands upon thousands of people, and the bureaucratic nonsense that kind of job entails.
 
Won't he outlive a number of them? A lot of them are probably on death's door step. And while top level government cronies can easily get life extensions from us, we've deliberately strangled easy access to it elsewhere, or put irritating, inheritance related road blocks to getting it legitimately by other means. That would considerably slow down anyone with a grudge and a habit for long-term schemes against him or us, and the desperate ones who act hastily will just get caught out by the Inquisition. Seems like a win-win. I think Darwin Awards were mostly handed out post Three Daughters, but we have a closet full of them still ready to go.

While he has doubtless already outlived many of his foes, they do have heirs. It is not as easy as waiting out all those whom would have cause to go against you... at least not for a long while yet. 'You cheated my grandfather out of his prize Valyrian sword' as an example is cause for a long lasting feud.
 
While he has doubtless already outlived many of his foes, they do have heirs. It is not as easy as waiting out all those whom would have cause to go against you... at least not for a long while yet. 'You cheated my grandfather out of his prize Valyrian sword' as an example is cause for a long lasting feud.
Envoy: "So I have heard your family has had a unfathomable tragedy befall it. With that in mind, I'm aware your lands have had a 2% increase in productivity since the financial year began. To commemorate this accomplishment, I present to you, from the Crown, this blade of dragonsteel forged."

Fifty meters and five minutes later...

Envoy: "Alright, that's another one off the list. How many people did he piss off?!"

Herald: "THERE ARE APROXIMATELY THIRTY-SIX MORE ALREADY-IDENTIFIED GREIVANCES TO BE SETTLED, WITH MULTIPLE AS OF YET UNACCOUNTED FOR, WITH THE PROVISO THAT THE CLAIMS ARE DISPUTED BETWEEN MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF TITULAR WINDWARD SOCIETY."

Envoy: "T-thirty six?"

Herald: "EIGHT OTHERS HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR CLAIMS OF GREIVANCE ON ACCOUNT OF MULTI-SPECTRUM EMOTIONAL TURMOIL EXPERIENCED UPON ENCOUNTERING THE DIPLOMATIC CONSTRUCT WHO BORE THE CROWN'S INQUIRY."
 
Administration: Probably going to be hand selected by Alinor, and I foresee little reason to oppose her suggestion. This was basically her former role so I foresee her presenting someone from her personal staff as a likely successor.
We are probably looking at a rather boring, likely Braavosi paper pusher for this. The position really needs someone even-handed and skilled at wrangling the bureaucracy and little else. Some diplomatic acumen would be neat, but it's really rather optional here.
Taxation: Part of me says we should just start as we mean to go on and get Amrelath to do this, if he weren't so rapacious about his hoarding instincts as most old school Red Chromatics tend to be. But it would definitely sell the image that if you fuck with our taxes in any way big or small, it will turn into a motherfucking fire-breathing dragon of a problem. Specifically, your problem.
Amrelath would likely be miserable in such a position, since he is absolutely not the patient bureaucrat in temperament. Comes with the territory of being CE.

Though I could see one of our Sarnori immigrants. Someone who ran the local tax office in life and was kept in a bureaucratic role in death. And having our tax office run by a Lich sounds pretty baller to me.

"I am death. I am taxes."
Information: Need Genned candidates for this, since I think the person for this role pretty much has to have a history of coming up from unusual quarters or by being absolutely loyal for good cause, and Viserys stated himself he mostly views the Curia to be vastly loyal to themselves, with loyalty to Viserys mostly being a conditional thing of convenience since we've arranged things to fall that way.
This is one of those posting where optics matter a lot. Whoever we pick her should have a trustworthy reputation. Maybe a LN Excinder Archon that Yrael poached from Heavens outfit at some point.
Trade: Menel (for multiple well-established reasons, but also because he's good at this and I foresee zero issues with him having policy preferences that vastly differ with our own views on Trade)
Done deal.
War: Beryl (she's gotten good at organizing, and also having basically acted as the Dean for the Imperial Military Academy for the past year, so she'd do fine). Definitely qualified for the job, too. Maybe even overqualified.
On the one hand, I'm not sure if we should put Arcanums in the running, but I have to admit that Beryl would be a good candidate here. Another option would be someone from the leadership of Royce Alchemy Works, since this posting is also largely a logistics focused one.
Public Works: Shad is still a good candidate for this.
Yeah, I'm also pretty sold on Shad for this. His cultural issues are not really interfering with his work here and all his other abilities are very solid advantages.
Education: Velen might actually be a good pick for this.
I'm not really seeing it. Maybe as an undersecretary for the orphanage system, but not as the head of the whole ministry.

If we deem Arcanums to be acceptable candidates, but don't pick Beryl (definitely don't want two Arcanums as Ministers), then we could think about appointing Valeria.
Otherwise, this would be a good post to reward one of the Archmaesters that willingly defected.
Magic: Unlike what the Lannisters did with Kevan, this guy is practically guaranteed to be such a WBL-mancer that for all practical purposes he's basically a mage, or an actual mage. So this post definitely won't have the veneer of "person who herds murderous, fireball throwing, shapeshifting cats", and more like the coordinator of the cat-like activities via green-ink rubber stamp. Though I'm coming up blank with suggestions.

So probably Genned.
Definitely shouldn't be a mage himself, as that would put him under Scholarium jurisdiction and create a pretty major conflict of interest.
Diplomacy: Honestly, Xor would probably do fairly good in this role. There's the obvious negative in that anyone with issues against all Far Realm-natured denizens might have issues, but if we had the Azure Court and Githzerai publicly give him their rubber stamp in some fashion by tacitly showing no issues with dealing with him (something I think we can actually arrange), it would really only be an issue with people we haven't yet established a longer-spanning history with.

Would also put our money where our mouth is, with regards to integration of all sorts of intelligent peoples. And there's the obvious logic--for most practical purposes, Xor wouldn't personally be acting as an envoy, so much as managing how our foreign policies are conducted on an organizational level once we've decided on what stance to take. Considering Xor is publicly a Companion, has been for years, and has been living in close quarter with us for years, any new foreign entity who has reason to distrust him is so paranoid that they should already distrust the whole lot of us right off the bat, so it avoids the issue of offending anyone who simply just prefers not to be in close quarters with Aberrations, rather than simply being virulently xenophobic.
I'm not sure if he really would be happy with all the dry work this entails. He is, after all, an artist at heart.
Justice: Genned, probably.
Yeah. No one comes to mind.
Health: Genned, probably.
Same, but we have the healthcare system of SD running long enough that we should have some pool of people there to pull from.


Are we not appointing Malarys due to overlap in duties?
We explicitly made this illegal due to all the negative effects of dual-appointments, both on the balance of power and on the quality of the work.
--[X] Put the informally held principle of single responsibility into law. That is, that no person can hold multiple offices in the Imperium, with the exception being territorial titles that are subsets of each other. Upon inheriting such a title, all public offices must be renounced and before attaining a public office, all inherited titles must be abdicated. Likewise, it is impossible for one person to inherit two territorial titles that are not subsets of each other. If such an event were to occur, the inheritance of the recently vacated title will treat the person already holding a different title as dead.

As for why these two posts in particular should not be the same person, consider what it would look like if the Attorney General of the Department of Justice and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court would be the same person. This would... not work... at all...
 
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"I am death. I am taxes."


On the one hand, I'm not sure if we should put Arcanums in the running, but I have to admit that Beryl would be a good candidate here. Another option would be someone from the leadership of Royce Alchemy Works, since this posting is also largely a logistics focused one.
For some posts where the appointment matters as much for the optics of it as it does their effectiveness at the position, I'm there on not being too nepotistic, but in the case of the War Minister I'd want them to be double helping of the effectiveness part.

Also, the quiet grumbles that she did nothing to earn her post are treading water off the back of establishing an entire Imperial Institution to good success and generally having the support of the military due to all of our top brass being aware of her at least peripherally, as well as her accomplishments.

And really, approval within her own department matters more than people who wanted to use the post who manages our fucking supply lines and training pipeline as some kind of trophy.
 
He's actually Neutral Evil, but yeah, Amrelath is the type of guy who acknowledges that paper pushers make running things go more efficiently, but about as interested in the substance of it as he would be watching paint dry. Which is to say he would light the paint on fire hoping it would dry faster.
 
For some posts where the appointment matters as much for the optics of it as it does their effectiveness at the position, I'm there on not being too nepotistic, but in the case of the War Minister I'd want them to be double helping of the effectiveness part.

Also, the quiet grumbles that she did nothing to earn her post are treading water off the back of establishing an entire Imperial Institution to good success and generally having the support of the military due to all of our top brass being aware of her at least peripherally, as well as her accomplishments.

And really, approval within her own department matters more than people who wanted to use the post who manages our fucking supply lines and training pipeline as some kind of trophy.
I'm more thinking that too many immortals in the uppermost echolons of power make for a pretty quickly calcifying system. For some things, like taxation, that's a non-issue, but for military matters I'd prefer to have a decent enough churn to keep fresh ideas coming into the system. Than again, Beryl would likely not object all that hard when we ask her to retire in a few decades.

As for the approval of people who think Minister posts are some kind of candy to be handed out to them, fuck em. They clearly got some wires crossed. Territorial postings is what we hand out has signs of favor and for some government approved graft. Ministers are supposed to do their work and do it as close to perfect as realistically possible.
 
I'm more thinking that too many immortals in the uppermost echolons of power make for a pretty quickly calcifying system. For some things, like taxation, that's a non-issue, but for military matters I'd prefer to have a decent enough churn to keep fresh ideas coming into the system. Than again, Beryl would likely not object all that hard when we ask her to retire in a few decades.

As for the approval of people who think Minister posts are some kind of candy to be handed out to them, fuck em. They clearly got some wires crossed. Territorial postings is what we hand out has signs of favor and for some government approved graft. Ministers are supposed to do their work and do it as close to perfect as realistically possible.
Beryl would have no interest in maintaining a government position indefinitely. In fact she would probably only be annoyed if you bumped her from her position in the middle of some kind of reorganization because it would be sloppy and she wouldn't want to hand off something incomplete (and farther from perfect) to someone else.

But I don't see anything wrong with giving her the hat for several years and then quietly dismissing her at a politically opportune moment (like, you've done a good job, and I hear you want to move on to something else, well go with my blessing).

In fact you mention not wanting this position to calcify, so dismissing her sooner rather than later would establish the precedent for Viserys simply choosing new Ministers based on current needs rather than creating an expectation that a person is guaranteed decades in the same position at the top level, and also the precedent of there being little inherent stigma for a reappointment.
 
Beryl would have no interest in maintaining a government position indefinitely. In fact she would probably only be annoyed if you bumped her from her position in the middle of some kind of reorganization because it would be sloppy and she wouldn't want to hand off something incomplete (and farther from perfect) to someone else.

But I don't see anything wrong with giving her the hat for several years and then quietly dismissing her at a politically opportune moment (like, you've done a good job, and I hear you want to move on to something else, well go with my blessing).

In fact you mention not wanting this position to calcify, so dismissing her sooner rather than later would establish the precedent for Viserys simply choosing new Ministers based on current needs rather than creating an expectation that a person is guaranteed decades in the same position at the top level, and also the precedent of there being little inherent stigma for a reappointment.
Hm... good point. Dismissing some people who are obviously favored by us would actually help to build that expectation.

Alright. Baring some very good candidate coming along, I'm sold on Beryl.
 
You know it says interesting things about how society in general and the Internet in particular work that once upon a time when Lovecraft made up the concept of the Eldritch Abomination, they were things of pure horror, even when it was something as mild as fish-men. Now the fishmen are a cliche and the kind of imagined horrors that would make Lovecraft a nervous wreck... well more of a nervous wreck get made into memes and songs. :V

I think it might be a case of having a different relationship with the concept on the unknowable and with horror rather than us being just numb to particular incarnations of it.
I honestly think the best horror we see in media is that which showcases human reality and potential to do terrible things based on what we know humans have done throughout history.

Don't get me wrong, existential horror still good, but in that you can at least take comfort in fact that horror induced is usually not personal.
 
Hm... good point. Dismissing some people who are obviously favored by us would actually help to build that expectation.

Alright. Baring some very good candidate coming along, I'm sold on Beryl.
She's charismatic, knowledgeable in multiple facets which would aid her work in her department, and guaranteed to be loyal.

Unless DP just straight up generates characters for all eleven positions and crits when rolling for this one, it's pretty much impossible for one to just spontaneously manifest who doesn't already have far more important responsibilities (among known characters, or factions in the Imperium who could have produced such a character).
 
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