A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- Location
- Germany
Gave costs to everything. Bulk editing units ain't fun. Also added the new Legion attachment, which now has bloated the Versus table so badly that I can no longer cram it into a post.
| Attachment_ID | Unit_Sets | Accepted_Attachments | Speed | Attack | Defense | Maneuverability | Readiness | Readiness_Regain | Reinforcement_Cost_Factor | Organization | Organization_Regain | Supplies_Upkeep | Supplies_Combat | Construction_Ticks | Points_Cost | Capacity_Cost | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| legion_infantry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders |
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| 50 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 60 |
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| legion_cavalry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege |
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| 70 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,15 | 0,15 | 60 |
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| legion_dothraki |
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| 70 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 50 | 2 | 0,1 | 0,1 | -1 |
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| imperial_wyvern |
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| 100 | 60 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 1 | 60 |
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| imperial_manticore |
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| 100 | 80 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,8 | 90 |
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| undead_basic |
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| 30 | 100 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 5 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 15 |
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| undead_armed |
| legion_imperial_steel |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,02 | 30 |
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| undead_cavalry |
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| 60 | 80 | 2 | 0,5 | 30 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 20 |
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| undead_ethereal |
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| 80 | 50 | 6 | 0,3 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| undead_beast |
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| 40 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,02 | 30 |
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| undead_heavy |
| legion_imperial_steel |
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| 60 | 100 | 4 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| sea_skum |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 30 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 30 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| sea_sahuagin |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 50 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| illithid_war_thralls |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 40 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,03 | 0,03 | 30 |
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| illithid_abominations |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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| 20 | 100 | 5 | 0,5 | 20 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| illithid_thrall_herders |
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| 80 | 30 | 4 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| devil_lesser |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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| 30 | 90 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| devil_basic |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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| 80 | 70 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| devil_greater |
| devil_commissars |
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| 100 | 40 | 1 | 0,5 | 80 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 60 |
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| efreeti_mameluke |
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| 40 | 90 | 3 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| efreeti_eternal_guard |
| efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall |
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| 80 | 60 | 1 | 0,3 | 80 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 180 |
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| plane_of_fire_giants |
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| 30 | 60 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| plane_of_fire_salamanders |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| planes_geniekin |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| Unit | Total Score |
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| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 145,64 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 141,77 |
| imperial_manticore | 140,43 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 138,5 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_wall | 137,77 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 132,13 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 130,85 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 130,68 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame | 130,64 |
| devil_basic with devil_siege | 126,36 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn | 125,17 |
| imperial_wyvern | 124,9 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 118,04 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 117,02 |
| undead_heavy with legion_imperial_steel | 110,16 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass | 109,97 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 106,17 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 105,96 |
| devil_greater with devil_commissars | 101,02 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 98,33 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 98,28 |
| undead_heavy | 97,52 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_wall | 96,16 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 90,1 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 87,88 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 82,38 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame | 76,34 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 75,81 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 73,4 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 72,24 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_dominator | 67,09 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 66,97 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 66,95 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 66,73 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 64,97 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 61,62 |
| devil_lesser with devil_siege | 57 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 56,61 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn | 55,79 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 54,8 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | 54,28 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 53,79 |
| devil_greater | 50,85 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 49,98 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 49,96 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 49,44 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 48,3 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 45,99 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 45,22 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 41,28 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 37,49 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 36,89 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 35,77 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 34,21 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars | 29,76 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn | 29,25 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 28,44 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 25,88 |
| undead_armed with legion_imperial_steel | 25,68 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 22,2 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 21,28 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 19,3 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 16,91 |
| illithid_thrall_herders | 14,43 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 14,1 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard | 14,03 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 12,33 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 12,23 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 12,03 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 11,3 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 10,93 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 8,46 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 7,57 |
| undead_armed | 6,03 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 5,56 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 2,15 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 1,04 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | -0,34 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -0,78 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -1,11 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -2,25 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -3,57 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -3,65 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriders | -3,66 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -4,21 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_dominator | -5,54 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -11,66 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -12,7 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -15,46 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -15,77 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -17,87 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | -21,19 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -21,69 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -22,16 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -24,62 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -25,99 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -29,19 |
| illithid_war_thralls | -30,56 |
| undead_ethereal | -33,18 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -33,4 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn | -33,5 |
| devil_basic | -33,83 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -33,88 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -35,54 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -37 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -37,84 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriders | -38,44 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -43,52 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -44,25 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars | -44,86 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -50,36 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts | -52,74 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -54,21 |
| legion_infantry with legion_warstriders | -54,37 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | -55,9 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_dominator | -56,31 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts | -56,56 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -57,42 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -57,72 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -61,16 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -65,24 |
| planes_geniekin | -68,34 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -70,55 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -70,9 |
| plane_of_fire_giants | -72,85 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -74,53 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -74,62 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -75,66 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -78,6 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters | -83,18 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters | -85,99 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_siege | -88,08 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege | -91,14 |
| sea_skum with illithid_dominator | -101,98 |
| undead_beast | -106,73 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -108,39 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -109,42 |
| plane_of_fire_salamanders | -111,21 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel | -117,4 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants | -118,52 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel | -118,55 |
| devil_lesser | -122,93 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners | -125,7 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners | -127,72 |
| legion_cavalry | -131,36 |
| legion_infantry | -131,72 |
| undead_cavalry | -132,88 |
| illithid_abominations | -134,1 |
| undead_basic | -134,92 |
| legion_dothraki | -136,09 |
| efreeti_mameluke | -137,4 |
| sea_sahuagin | -140,2 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants | -144,73 |
| sea_skum | -153 |
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
@Azel, the Legions each have two different types of Lord's Banner. You included the Swiftness Banner, which lets them use a Forced March without penalty, but you've left out the Victory Banner, which basically gives all of the the effects of a Heroism spell (+2 Morale bonus on attack rolls, saves, and skill checks).
I'm not sure how that works with the model, but it's a significant combat modifier which should be included.
I'm not sure how that works with the model, but it's a significant combat modifier which should be included.
- Location
- Germany
I'm aware of the other banner, but the bonus isn't worth another point of physical attack, so I'm splitting the difference and raised psychic defence by 20% instead of 10% and gave a Maneuverability bonus instead of attack.
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
On a cursory glance our legions are really, really good at dealing with chaff, but anything greater needs either a full compliment of combined arms (darkenbeasts, warstriders, full equipment) or the use of our airforce.
Still, our manticores coming in third general looks nice.
Still, our manticores coming in third general looks nice.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Yeah, was about to say, we are standouts at dealing with waves of disposable packing peanut armies and hordes, but throw elites at us and the best we can do is retreat in good order until PCs arrive. Which to be fair does not contradict the narrative. Our empire stands on the backs of PCs.
- Location
- Who knows?
>eliminating micromanaging vulture capital economics majors
So why is he considered evil again?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Though I will say, given the numbers for capital vessels will likely be high, the above probably does not take into account the full effects of having our air force on the field at the time. I give even odds of it being anyone's ball game when multiple sides have big number strategic assets on the board at the same time.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
You are talking to a part of the micromanaging vulture capital economy machine.
Take a guess?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
He's considered ņ̵̣͈̖̲͈͙̜̮̹͍̥̄̋̅́͊o̸̢̧̨̲̘̠͓͕̼̼̞͍̣̬̣̓̉͗̀̀̌̐̅̔̿͒̈́ņ̵͈̹͔͕̦̼̩̻͓̬̺̯͔̓͊͗̃̆̽͗͗̿̎̀̐̋͋͊̚͘̕̚͝-̶̡͕̻͎̏̃̓̀̀̿̿b̶̨̦͎̰͇̯̤̜̰̞̩̘̤̳̩͎͉̻̫͕̍̿͗̎̅̋i̴̢͔͍̠̩̼̖̦̼̖̯̬̦̜͂̑͠n̸̺̩͉̮̺̲͎̣̍̄̑̒̑͊̇͌̔̓̈́̉̽͝ą̶̛̰̻͎͓̝͔̦̦͈͎̥̒̂̿̈́̅̚͘̚͠͝͠ŗ̷̲̘͙̼̈́͛̿̃̈́̓̐̓̇̉̓̓́̀̐͗̓̕̕͝͝ͅi̷͉̖̙̲̦̙̗̯̮̗̩̭̯̹͍̭̖̫̖͔͖͛̃̈́̂̑̎̀͠ͅͅc̸̡̡̛̗̙̤͓͈̯͖̲͔̦̘̻̘̦̉̓̆͂ͅ ̷̜̰̻̪̦̘͐̿͐̃̉̔̌͊̊͌̏̓͒͌̽͒͌̋̅̉̕͠ó̸̢̭͖̥̫͖̱͊r̵̢̛͖͖͔̳͖̿̽́͑̃̊͐̅̅̓̄́̓̓͝ą̵͚̹͍̰̰̖̈́̊͛͛̽͌̓́̾̈́̅̕͜͝͝͝ͅn̵̢̨̧͕̦̪̼̼̟̘͍̦̥͎̟̜̣̹̭̥̝͔̦͐̈́̆̈́̈g̸̡̛̘͙͉̰̣̾̍͑̎̀͂̉͛̒̽̊́̃̈́̾͘͝e̸̢̧̛͎͇͉̭͕͋̐̋̎̄͑̋̂͝-̶̬͖͎̗̥̣͕̰̩̥͎̱̲͖͇͔̤̹̲̠̘̭͂́̾ṗ̸̧̡̡̨͈̟̝͆̑̔̑̓͋͌̊̈́͜͝ͅu̴̡̨̹͎̙̩̙͚̺̠͎̾̎̋͂̑̔́͆̀̓͊͂̅̀̈́̒͘͝͝r̴̖͇͍̗͖̖̪̙̺̻̅̍̇͋̐̿͆̂̍̂͗̑́͝ͅṕ̸̧̢̮̺̼̼͔̼͙̱̦͉̭̼͍̪̠̰̩́̈́̇̏̈̇̎́̀̃̀̏̑͑͜l̸̢̨̢͍̖̠̺̣̱͎̫͇̫̳͉͙͕̠͇͓̖̥̄̋̿́̅̍̍̔̄͌͊͒̿̃̏̀͐̀́̓͊̀ȩ̶̛̰̝̳͍̥̤̭̬̗̮̟̠̲̟̥͓̬̲̀̅̉̆̒͑̅̒̔̏͆̔̓̓̿̌͝͝ ̴̢͙̭͔̗̭͐͂̀̍̔̑̐̋ḁ̷̡̧̣͍̻̱̳͎̣̜̭̱̫͂͆̀͜͝ļ̴̥̫̜̞͖̫̙͔̞̩̱̒̀̌̔̈́͐͊̓̏͐̆̿͒͛͌̅̀̃̕̕͝͝ḭ̷̛͈̙͓̌̓g̴̡̨̛͇͚̱̙͚͇̞̱̜̻͓̗̘̪͎̿͂͑̔̃̋ñ̷̢̡̡̧̠͉͈͈̰͇̦̥̘͓͇̯̣̼̀̈́̀͛͑̐m̷̧̨̡̢̛̼̫̙̝̗͈̪̥͉̙͕̩̩͖̻̄̈́͛̀͐̕̚ͅȩ̵̧͍̪͚̹̻̰͖̰̤͎̮̖͍̰̼̬͗̄͂̇͌͆̀̓̑̽̇̈́̇͜͠ņ̷̡̨͙̯̟͖̫̩͉̟͉̺̳̜̝̮̪̥̘̥̫͓̎́̂̇̔͂̀̓̑͗̄̑̎́́̓̈́͝͠t̸̡̢̪͔̳͎͓̫̝̖̻̮̭̤̳̯̯̤̣̄̃͐̿̈̾̂͌͘ͅͅ actually, but who's splitting hairs?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
You really wouldn't consider a +2 bonus to attack rolls and saves as worth calculating? That's roughly equivalent to making a 5th level Fighter as capable of attacking as if they were 7th level, and would increase their saving throws to the equivalent of them being 9th level, from (+4 Fortitude, +1 Reflex, and +1 Will) to (+6 Fortitude, +3 Reflex, and +3 Will). That's a 50% increase in their base Fortitude saves and a 200% increase in their Reflex and Will saves.
- Location
- Germany
It is calculated though? It's why they get a Maneuverability bonus. I wouldn't have given that for just the raw speed increase as being able to march extra hours a day means you are faster when moving province to province, but has no real impact on combat movement.
However, Maneuverability does a lot of things:
- makes you do a little bit more damage and take a little bit less
- makes it less likely for enemies to catch you and more likely for you to catch them
- makes it more likely for you to successfully retreat
So if you add up free forced marching, +2 to Attacks, +2 Damage, +2 Save, +2 Skills (Perception, Survival and Knowledge: Martial being the main relevant ones), that sounds about right for a general effect that will likely always be on outside of battle, but is unlikely to be active during it all the time.
Compare and contrast Imperial Steel weaponry giving +1 Physical Attack for making literally every attack of the Legion +2 Ghost Touch while piercing DR x\Adamantine. Unlike the banners though, you can not Dispel this effect or shut it off by simply toasting a banner carrier with a Fireball. It is a much more resilient effect in that regard.
- Location
- Germany
@Azel
Writing down things as I find them:
Illithid Overseers have a high readiness-regain, this is a bit strange for a race of a few thousand that takes a long time to train their psychic powers for the young ones. And for their unique bodyguard-creatures with them of course.
Propably lower and take one point of Mage as construction cost?
You might want the Greater Devils to have some minor cost in mages, 1 or 2, it's not a full detachment but you can assume that a handful of them can throw more magic than their SLAs allow.
You have no description for the new Mutant-attacment.
For the Efreeti-Attachements, maybe a slightly lower Diplo-cost for the Flame of Iblis (as they are basically trained warmages and want to go out there) and a slightly higher one for the Order of the Wall (as they are mostly Nerds and want home to their research).
Writing down things as I find them:
Illithid Overseers have a high readiness-regain, this is a bit strange for a race of a few thousand that takes a long time to train their psychic powers for the young ones. And for their unique bodyguard-creatures with them of course.
Propably lower and take one point of Mage as construction cost?
You might want the Greater Devils to have some minor cost in mages, 1 or 2, it's not a full detachment but you can assume that a handful of them can throw more magic than their SLAs allow.
You have no description for the new Mutant-attacment.
For the Efreeti-Attachements, maybe a slightly lower Diplo-cost for the Flame of Iblis (as they are basically trained warmages and want to go out there) and a slightly higher one for the Order of the Wall (as they are mostly Nerds and want home to their research).
- Location
- Germany
Point, but 5 Mage sounds more reasonable, all things considered.
Also 5 Mage then.
I think you can tell that I was forcing through these changes and that my attention wavered at some point.
Fixed.
Done.
Also rebalanced Wyverns and Manticores. The combat values added to the strength comparison tables are the internal values I use to estimate strength of units for the sake of retreats and threat assessment.
| Attachment_ID | Unit_Sets | Accepted_Attachments | Speed | Attack | Defense | Maneuverability | Readiness | Readiness_Regain | Reinforcement_Cost_Factor | Organization | Organization_Regain | Supplies_Upkeep | Supplies_Combat | Construction_Ticks | Points_Cost | Capacity_Cost | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| legion_infantry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders |
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| 50 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 60 |
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| legion_cavalry |
| legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege |
|
|
| 70 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,15 | 0,15 | 60 |
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| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| legion_dothraki |
|
|
|
| 70 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 50 | 2 | 0,1 | 0,1 | -1 |
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| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| imperial_wyvern |
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|
| 100 | 60 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 1 | 60 |
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| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| imperial_manticore |
|
|
|
| 100 | 80 | 1 | 0,8 | 60 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,8 | 90 |
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| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| undead_basic |
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|
|
| 30 | 100 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 5 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 15 |
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| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| undead_armed |
| legion_imperial_steel |
|
|
| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,02 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| undead_cavalry |
|
|
|
| 60 | 80 | 2 | 0,5 | 30 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 20 |
|
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| undead_ethereal |
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|
|
| 80 | 50 | 6 | 0,3 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
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| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| undead_beast |
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|
|
| 40 | 60 | 2 | 0,5 | 20 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,02 | 30 |
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| undead_heavy |
| legion_imperial_steel |
|
|
| 60 | 100 | 4 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sea_skum |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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|
| 30 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 30 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| sea_sahuagin |
| illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
|
|
| 50 | 60 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| illithid_war_thralls |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
|
|
| 40 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,03 | 0,03 | 30 |
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| illithid_abominations |
| illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator |
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|
| 20 | 100 | 5 | 0,5 | 20 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| illithid_thrall_herders |
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| 80 | 30 | 2 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,01 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| devil_lesser |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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| 30 | 90 | 5 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 30 |
|
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| devil_basic |
| devil_commissars, devil_siege |
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|
| 80 | 70 | 3 | 0,5 | 70 | 3 | 0,02 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| devil_greater |
| devil_commissars |
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| 100 | 40 | 1 | 0,5 | 80 | 3 | 0,01 | 0,01 | 60 |
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| efreeti_mameluke |
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| 40 | 90 | 3 | 0,5 | 40 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 60 |
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| efreeti_eternal_guard |
| efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall |
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|
| 80 | 60 | 1 | 0,3 | 80 | 3 | 0,1 | 0,1 | 180 |
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| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| plane_of_fire_giants |
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| 30 | 60 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 3 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| plane_of_fire_salamanders |
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| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 60 | 2 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| planes_geniekin |
|
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|
| 60 | 80 | 3 | 0,5 | 80 | 4 | 0,05 | 0,05 | 30 |
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| Unit | Total Score | Tactical Combat Value | Strategic Combat Value |
|---|---|---|---|
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 145,18 | 7656 | 689040 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 142 | 7250 | 507500 |
| imperial_manticore | 140,52 | 5220 | 522000 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 138,66 | 6084 | 425880 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_wall | 138,13 | 6120 | 550800 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 132,09 | 4968 | 248400 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame, efreeti_mage_wall | 131,6 | 4864 | 437760 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass, efreeti_mage_flame | 130,98 | 4900 | 392000 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 130,83 | 4914 | 393120 |
| devil_basic with devil_siege | 126,3 | 4200 | 294000 |
| imperial_wyvern | 125,59 | 3690 | 369000 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_outer_spawn | 125 | 4704 | 235200 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 118,21 | 4032 | 322560 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars, devil_siege | 115,89 | 4032 | 80640 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_brass | 110,94 | 3720 | 297600 |
| undead_heavy with legion_imperial_steel | 110,7 | 3900 | 234000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 105,73 | 3450 | 207000 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 104,62 | 3600 | 216000 |
| devil_greater with devil_commissars | 103,36 | 3520 | 352000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 99,12 | 3168 | 190080 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 98,71 | 3174 | 158700 |
| undead_heavy | 97,05 | 3552 | 213120 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_wall | 95,67 | 3366 | 302940 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 91,06 | 2904 | 145200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 89,1 | 2850 | 171000 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn, illithid_dominator | 80,81 | 2940 | 176400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 78,61 | 2592 | 155520 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard with efreeti_mage_flame | 77,07 | 2842 | 227360 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 73,86 | 2622 | 131100 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 71,81 | 2640 | 158400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 70,32 | 2376 | 118800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 68,19 | 2394 | 143640 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 67,71 | 2400 | 120000 |
| illithid_war_thralls with illithid_dominator | 65,68 | 2730 | 163800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 64,72 | 2376 | 213840 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 64,58 | 2376 | 166320 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 57,05 | 2142 | 192780 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_outer_spawn | 56,84 | 1995 | 59850 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | 54,89 | 2288 | 137280 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 54,88 | 2484 | 124200 |
| devil_lesser with devil_siege | 54,8 | 2376 | 47520 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 54,07 | 2166 | 108300 |
| devil_greater | 52,31 | 2232 | 223200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 52,26 | 2112 | 126720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 52,11 | 2160 | 129600 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 50,43 | 2142 | 149940 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 46,56 | 2160 | 172800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 42,67 | 2244 | 112200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 42,52 | 2268 | 90720 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 42 | 1938 | 155040 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 40,96 | 1920 | 96000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 40,68 | 1890 | 113400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 36,26 | 1938 | 116280 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 30,89 | 2040 | 81600 |
| devil_basic with devil_commissars | 29,46 | 1944 | 155520 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 27,32 | 1848 | 166320 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_outer_spawn | 27,3 | 1955 | 117300 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 26,82 | 1848 | 129360 |
| undead_armed with legion_imperial_steel | 24,74 | 2208 | 132480 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_warstriders | 24 | 1710 | 85500 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 21,33 | 1680 | 134400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 20,72 | 1932 | 96600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 15,99 | 1710 | 153900 |
| illithid_thrall_herders | 15,46 | 2080 | 166400 |
| efreeti_eternal_guard | 14,32 | 1800 | 144000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 13,56 | 1638 | 147420 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 13,09 | 1638 | 114660 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 12,67 | 1764 | 70560 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 12,38 | 1680 | 100800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 11,44 | 1800 | 90000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 11,3 | 1710 | 119700 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 9,62 | 1512 | 136080 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_warstriders | 9,1 | 1716 | 85800 |
| undead_armed | 5,86 | 1904 | 114240 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | 4,15 | 1530 | 122400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | 2,79 | 1620 | 64800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | 1,78 | 1482 | 118560 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | 0,57 | 1596 | 111720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -0,09 | 1596 | 79800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_darkenbeasts | -1,74 | 1482 | 88920 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_warstriders | -2,21 | 1560 | 62400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -2,8 | 1530 | 91800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -2,96 | 1344 | 107520 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -4,48 | 1560 | 124800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -6,54 | 1512 | 105840 |
| illithid_abominations with illithid_dominator | -6,65 | 1540 | 61600 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege, legion_warstriders | -12,82 | 1428 | 57120 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -12,92 | 1560 | 93600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -15,48 | 1404 | 98280 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -16,96 | 1368 | 109440 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts, legion_siege | -18,57 | 1344 | 80640 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -21,37 | 1254 | 112860 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters, legion_siege | -22,32 | 1404 | 70200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -22,63 | 1254 | 87780 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_outer_spawn | -24,02 | 1449 | 57960 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters, legion_siege | -26,2 | 1368 | 82080 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -29,74 | 1320 | 66000 |
| illithid_war_thralls | -31,18 | 1260 | 50400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -33,94 | 1122 | 89760 |
| devil_basic | -34,03 | 1127 | 90160 |
| undead_ethereal | -34,48 | 1260 | 100800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -35,21 | 1224 | 85680 |
| sea_skum with illithid_outer_spawn | -35,49 | 1280 | 51200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters, legion_siege | -35,67 | 1224 | 61200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_darkenbeasts | -36,52 | 1122 | 67320 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -36,61 | 1080 | 97200 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_warstriders | -38,35 | 1188 | 47520 |
| devil_lesser with devil_commissars | -44,23 | 1092 | 32760 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_warstriders | -44,69 | 1140 | 57000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_darkenbeasts | -45,12 | 1080 | 75600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -50,72 | 1080 | 86400 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_darkenbeasts | -53,26 | 960 | 76800 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants, illithid_dominator | -53,99 | 1040 | 52000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_warstriders | -54,08 | 1020 | 40800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_casters | -54,86 | 1080 | 64800 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -56,27 | 1020 | 61200 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_dominator | -56,45 | 1008 | 70560 |
| legion_infantry with legion_darkenbeasts | -57,14 | 960 | 57600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners, legion_siege | -60,05 | 1020 | 81600 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -61,57 | 972 | 68040 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_casters | -64,67 | 972 | 48600 |
| planes_geniekin | -69,71 | 952 | 57120 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -71,45 | 900 | 63000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -71,94 | 912 | 72960 |
| plane_of_fire_giants | -73,88 | 882 | 26460 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_casters | -75,05 | 912 | 54720 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_siege | -75,14 | 900 | 45000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -76,7 | 864 | 69120 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners, legion_siege | -77,86 | 864 | 51840 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_casters | -82,83 | 816 | 57120 |
| legion_infantry with legion_casters | -86,03 | 816 | 40800 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_siege | -88,74 | 756 | 52920 |
| legion_infantry with legion_siege | -91,27 | 756 | 37800 |
| sea_skum with illithid_dominator | -102,04 | 672 | 33600 |
| undead_beast | -107,87 | 700 | 28000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -109,37 | 612 | 48960 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel, legion_banners | -109,93 | 612 | 36720 |
| plane_of_fire_salamanders | -111,47 | 576 | 34560 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_imperial_steel | -117,23 | 540 | 37800 |
| sea_sahuagin with illithid_mutants | -118,29 | 540 | 27000 |
| legion_infantry with legion_imperial_steel | -118,47 | 540 | 27000 |
| devil_lesser | -123,52 | 500 | 15000 |
| legion_cavalry with legion_banners | -125,83 | 480 | 38400 |
| legion_infantry with legion_banners | -127,81 | 480 | 28800 |
| legion_cavalry | -131,22 | 420 | 29400 |
| legion_infantry | -131,78 | 420 | 21000 |
| undead_cavalry | -133,01 | 480 | 28800 |
| illithid_abominations | -133,85 | 378 | 7560 |
| undead_basic | -135,12 | 420 | 12600 |
| legion_dothraki | -136,06 | 325 | 22750 |
| efreeti_mameluke | -137,38 | 336 | 13440 |
| sea_sahuagin | -140,69 | 300 | 15000 |
| sea_skum with illithid_mutants | -144,73 | 270 | 8100 |
| sea_skum | -153 | 144 | 4320 |
- Location
- Germany
Thanks.
Also, I think we are really lucky that nobody, not even DP, has to estimate the production-capacity of Hell.
At most he'll have to decide what Slaver's Bay is worth to them and take that as the ultimate limit on invested ressources.
For the City of Brass that approach won't work, so I fear that their capacity for training, production, enchantment etc. will have to be modeled eventually.
Also, I think we are really lucky that nobody, not even DP, has to estimate the production-capacity of Hell.
At most he'll have to decide what Slaver's Bay is worth to them and take that as the ultimate limit on invested ressources.
For the City of Brass that approach won't work, so I fear that their capacity for training, production, enchantment etc. will have to be modeled eventually.
- Location
- Germany
Eh. We will skin that Petitioner when we come to it.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
I really didn't want to have to wade through the literal Legions of Hell, but I guess its basically inevitable... though it makes me wonder, why bother with the Unsullied if you're just gonna portal in a bunch of Bearded Devils and Legion Devils?
- Location
- Germany
No reason not to use local ressources, it's always cheaper than bringing in your own.
Besides they are also a neat proof of concept. If the Lady of Spear's blessings can turn mortals in a relevant fighting force, even if it is a low-tier one by the standards of Hell, then it's a good idea.
Dis is after all a city of many millions of mortals (and not the only city in Hell) and I have no doubt that a decent amount of them gets conscripted to the Bloodwar. Making them slightly less worthless cannon-fodder is valuable.
I have to say it is nice to see the battle system shape up, tough I am sorry I did not buckle down and try to figure out something like this sooner. It would have been a lot easier on you guys to be able to stat things in stages as they worked into the narrative rather all at once here.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
The last time some serious noise was made to re-do everything, no one was enthusiastic about it, so it didn't happen.
The next time it came up, I gasped in desperation "YES, PLEASE" and anyone with a lick of sense backed away slowly.
Silence means consent.