Most of them are probably a fair bit more empathetic or worldly from being raised as commoners though.
Edric Storm's got all the ego from being raised like a noble, so it really is more nature vs. nurture. Though Edric too would leap into a burning building to save someone, probably, or spit defiance in the face of death.
 
Edric Storm's got all the ego from being raised like a noble, so it really is more nature vs. nurture. Though Edric too would leap into a burning building to save someone, probably, or spit defiance in the face of death.
So really it's more tacking on a negative trait than removing a positive one got it. Too bad Bobby B turned out like he did. He was a cool guy once, and he would have loved partying it up under Imperial rule and schmoozing with all the hot magic women in the Imperium.
 
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So really it's more tacking on a negative trait than removing a positive one got it. Too bad Bobby B turned out like he did. He was a cool guy once, and hewould have lived partying it up under Imperial rule and schmoozing with all the hot magic women in the Imperium.

Ultimately Robert was never meant to be a king in peacetime. If anything he was born about ten years too early. If he had still had the heart to do anything besides eat, drink, hunt and whore by the time magic and monsters came back he would have probably made a decent king, not a transformative one, but the kind of king who could deal with the rampaging manticore about to eat your village or something.
 
Ultimately Robert was never meant to be a king in peacetime. If anything he was born about ten years too early. If he had still had the heart to do anything besides eat, drink, hunt and whore by the time magic and monsters came back he would have probably made a decent king, not a transformative one, but the kind of king who could deal with the rampaging manticore about to eat your village or something.
The problem was all the listening to Lannisters and Jon Arryn. If he had his way, he probably would have gone on a permanent progress, holding court from a new Keep every month and just bullrushing through whatever problem happened to be in the neighborhood. Not necessarily smashing each with a hammer, but being the proverbial hammer. Disagreement between two Fey Courts? Drink and carouse until they forget what they were fighting about! A undead death knight with a grudge? HAMMER TIME!

The stuff he'd have problems with are devils and squids and daemons and similar, assymetrical stuff.

Fact of the matter is, Robert on a war path is decisive and oddly hyper-competent within his own remit and purview, and he can get people to follow him with ease.

Sitting around at court? He's useless. He doesn't have interest for politics, but if you frame ruling like fighting an endless war? I think he'd probably have Westeros limping along to the Long Night, united by nothing more than one man on a permanent violence fueled bender.

Unfortunately, he was advised by Jon Arryn, and he was surrounded by Lannisters.

Such a shame. Not really.
 
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I do not usually do this, but the rolls were interesting enough to show here when it comes to the reactions of the Seven. First off how strong is the reaction 1d7000 with a DC 1000 for each god getting involved, the more of them there are the more likely things are to turn adversarial


So Just the One, probably not that bad, though if ti comes out to be the Father or the Stranger it could still get spicy:


The Order is taken from the wiki so that is the Warrior, also known as the one god whose chosen you have a strictly positive interaction with. Brianne talks to her god about the whole dragon thing:


(Should have been A child's prayer, but rollz does not like apostrophes in the text of its rolls)

So yeah, surprise Brianne of Tranth appearance and she is happy to see the new dragon overlord.
 
Wait a hot Hellish second, did we just gained the Warrior's Approval?! A member of the Seven-That-Are-One?!

I was expecting terror and a bit of fury. Not... adulations.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 2, 2021 at 2:00 AM, finished with 85 posts and 15 votes.


I do not usually do this, but the rolls were interesting enough to show here when it comes to the reactions of the Seven. First off how strong is the reaction 1d7000 with a DC 1000 for each god getting involved, the more of them there are the more likely things are to turn adversarial


So Just the One, probably not that bad, though if ti comes out to be the Father or the Stranger it could still get spicy:


The Order is taken from the wiki so that is the Warrior, also known as the one god whose chosen you have a strictly positive interaction with. Brianne talks to her god about the whole dragon thing:


(Should have been A child's prayer, but rollz does not like apostrophes in the text of its rolls)

So yeah, surprise Brianne of Tranth appearance and she is happy to see the new dragon overlord.
Huh correct me if I am wrong but I think this may be the best result we could get for this. Though we don't know exactly what the 'A Child's prayer" roll is about so maybe not? I default to high is good and this is a 99 out of 100.
 
Ngl, I feel like leaving Seven up to dice alone is what got us the weirdness the "never did anything of worth or showed any power"-Seven are.

This reaction roll is ridiculously mild for what we are and what we do.
 
Ngl, I feel like leaving Seven up to dice alone is what got us the weirdness the "never did anything of worth or showed any power"-Seven are.

This reaction roll is ridiculously mild for what we are and what we do.
They don't have any other choice tho, we could crush their church tomorrow and they lack the forces to contest us. So them trying to get in our good graces make sense.
 
They don't have any other choice tho, we could crush their church tomorrow and they lack the forces to contest us. So them trying to get in our good graces make sense.
And they lack the forces because DP had them go by rolls alone, instead of following through logically with what narrative weight they ought've had, back in the quest's start.

Sure, now there isn't much for them to do except trying to diplomance us OR reeeeee'ing incoherently.

Doesn't really salvage the state of the Seven overall, though.

We are at the point we Aberi'd two single largest mouthpieces they had in the quest.

The other Chosen (Smith, Crone) are just forever irrelevant in the background, as no player has interest in seeing them.
Stranger's was never shown on-screen, so chances are DP will quietly perform the Aberi'ng.

The Seven really are irrelevant, and that just sad.
There is nothing to argue or complain about at this point - merely to weep for how good opponents they could've been.

(Mind, Lucan and Danelle being a failure is at least 50% on us, the players)
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 2, 2021 at 2:00 AM, finished with 85 posts and 15 votes.


I do not usually do this, but the rolls were interesting enough to show here when it comes to the reactions of the Seven. First off how strong is the reaction 1d7000 with a DC 1000 for each god getting involved, the more of them there are the more likely things are to turn adversarial


So Just the One, probably not that bad, though if ti comes out to be the Father or the Stranger it could still get spicy:


The Order is taken from the wiki so that is the Warrior, also known as the one god whose chosen you have a strictly positive interaction with. Brianne talks to her god about the whole dragon thing:


(Should have been A child's prayer, but rollz does not like apostrophes in the text of its rolls)

So yeah, surprise Brianne of Tranth appearance and she is happy to see the new dragon overlord.

I'm imagining Brianne and the Warrior as father and daughter talking about her bad boy crush.

Brianne: "Gosh Warrior, stop being so antagonistic! You're embarrassing me!"

Warrior: "But Brianne! That Viserys is no good for you! He's a dragon! They kidnap helpless maidens and kill knights!"

Brianne: "Oh so I'm helpless, eh?"

Warrior: "Wait no, that's not what I meant."
 
Edric Storm's got all the ego from being raised like a noble, so it really is more nature vs. nurture. Though Edric too would leap into a burning building to save someone, probably, or spit defiance in the face of death.

Speaking of Edric, what's he been up to... He's not dead is he?
 
Part MMMDCCXLIX: Mantles of Rule
Mantles of Rule

Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

As the Dauntless flies west and north for the first time under a veil of clouds the wheels of the reconquest are well and truly turning. Legions march and air force vessels in their scores cut through the air in predetermined routes. From the Dornish Marches to Cape Wrath, from Seagard to Highgarden, by sorcery and artifice lords by the dozen will be presented with a simple choice, lower their banners and accept imperial rule or refuse and be remanded to the dust of history along with the likes of Tywin Lannister. Most will accept, that much you did not need a diviner's art to know.

This is not the fist time a Targaryen has swept into the Seven Kingdoms upon the wings of change and this time there are no kings to oppose you, no ancient crowns that need reforging, no thrones that must be abandoned, and yet your coming will mark a greater change for Westeros than Aegon's ever did, perhaps the greatest change these lands have seen since the coming of the Andals. Not just new laws, new taxes, new faiths and new ways of living, but all of those together, a new age flies towards still slumbering Westeros in the hulls of silver ships and it walks forth in the steady tread of black armored legionaries.

"Do you want to go out?" Dany asks, pulling on the sleeve of your robes, "I feel like I might start bouncing around the bridge if we stay in here and I have been told by reliable sources that can be quite distracting."

Only a handful of officers try to hold back laughter and none manage to resist a smile. Even Ser Richard snorts in amusement at the picture her words paint. Your sister after all is neither in her usual mortal form nor even as a silvery wyrmling such as could be reasonably expected to bounce around rooms. Instead she bears the dream-wrought wings of an angel to complement your own planned entrance.

The fact that once outside the hull she flies closest to Maelor who makes quite the demonic figure on wings of living darkness only adds to the incongruity, though the boy had agreed to dismiss the effect when it came time for what he called the 'dog and lizard show'.

Sandor flying ever close to Dany's side had just seemed glad for the anonymity of the armor he wears. The First Praetorian has been much more at ease in his own skin since he finally made himself the last of House Clegane, but that does not obviate the weariness of being unmoored from the bounds of earth by sorcery for the first time on a journey across the sea. He probably is not as reassured by Lya floating light as a feather right beside him as he should be, seeing as she is not also carrying the full weight of Warden Armor along.

By contrast Ser Richard flies neither with hesitance nor with the grace of one who has taken the wind into their soul but with the skill of long experience, as familiar with the steel wings of his cloak as he is with Oathkeeper's hilt and there is no doubt a part of him that expects an ambush from some foe or another out of the night.

As to your own worries they are more aimed towards the lands behind you than the one in front of you. With so many of the Imperium's assets committed to the pacification of the Seven Kingdoms anyone of a mind to attack the eastern provinces would have a far freer hand, and once the signal had been given there is no hiding that fact from any seer's eye. Still, you have not stripped all the defenses, far from it. There is after all a reason why you have waited so long for this day and it is precisely to leave as few gaps as possible for clever foes to slip through.

As the towers of the Red Keep appear on the horizon and then the spires of the Great Sept of Baelor you wrap yourself in mantles of power sacred and profane. You summon by wishcraft, spilled blood insight and enchantment, and upon your brow the crown of Aegon bursts into golden light that recalls the might and authority of the Heavens ere their breaking. Though you cannot deny there is more aspiration than truth to the attempt than can be said for most of the tasks of kingship.

"You know you have only yourself to blame if they start falling to their knees and worshiping you when you show up like those Frozen Shore fellows tried doing to me," Maelor notes dryly, eyes half closed against the glare of your presence, arcane as much as luminous. "You're going to make a lot of Red Priests happy."

"How do you figure that?" Dany asks curiously.

"Well they already have a story all made up about how you're Azor Ahai with the burning sword come to save the world again. Any of those septons who try to jump on the boat will have to make up their story on the fly."

"Then the trees are going to start going up and the Northerners are going to be happy and everyone else is going to be confused," Dany counters. "We aren't exactly shy about how we treat gods."

"Fire proof magic trees. Just you wait, there will be a preacher in front of the Big Sept of Baelor or whatever, shouting to all and sundry that the trees are servants of the Red God," Maelor replies gamely.

"And by the next week there will be someone on the streets who claims R'hllor is just a big old weirwood god who got a name from his worshipers," Lya interjects. She offers you a smile. "I'm sure the people of King's Landing will be more concerned with all the changes to their day to day lives to be mired in talk of gods old or new."

The cheerful theological debate carries your company veiled in clouds as well as sorcery all the way to the skies above the Great Sept. By will and wishcraft you work the final spells and at the touch of your magic Balerion the Black Dread of old roars in the skies above King's Landing for the first time in almost two centuries

OOC: We are not quite at the speech and glory part, because I feel that works best in interludes, but we have had a lot of those recently, more than at any other point in the quest, so here's a bit of a bridge update to sort of set the stage.
 
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And they lack the forces because DP had them go by rolls alone, instead of following through logically with what narrative weight they ought've had, back in the quest's start.

Sure, now there isn't much for them to do except trying to diplomance us OR reeeeee'ing incoherently.

Doesn't really salvage the state of the Seven overall, though.

We are at the point we Aberi'd two single largest mouthpieces they had in the quest.

The other Chosen (Smith, Crone) are just forever irrelevant in the background, as no player has interest in seeing them.
Stranger's was never shown on-screen, so chances are DP will quietly perform the Aberi'ng.

The Seven really are irrelevant, and that just sad.
There is nothing to argue or complain about at this point - merely to weep for how good opponents they could've been.

(Mind, Lucan and Danelle being a failure is at least 50% on us, the players)
I said it a week or so ago (I think? could have been more recent), but the Seven don't really have anything to gain fighting us right now. We've made a point of undercutting them at every opportunity and done so much diplomatic jujitsu in Westeros that the place was half ours months before the conquest, but we've also gone out of our way to make it clear we have no plans to outlaw their faith. We built a massive sept in SD and enshrined religious freedom into our legal code. That basically guarantees their continued existence under our regime.

Kicking off a shitfit now would jeopardize that. Hostile religions don't get to be part of the club, after all. Better to still be worshiped out in the open by millions of Westerosi, with their many septs intact and allowed to continue operating without undue interference. The alternative is a lot worse.
 
I said it a week or so ago (I think? could have been more recent), but the Seven don't really have anything to gain fighting us right now. We've made a point of undercutting them at every opportunity and done so much diplomatic jujitsu in Westeros that the place was half ours months before the conquest, but we've also gone out of our way to make it clear we have no plans to outlaw their faith. We built a massive sept in SD and enshrined religious freedom into our legal code. That basically guarantees their continued existence under our regime.

Kicking off a shitfit now would jeopardize that. Hostile religions don't get to be part of the club, after all. Better to still be worshiped out in the open by millions of Westerosi, with their many septs intact and allowed to continue operating without undue interference. The alternative is a lot worse.
What @egoo is pointing out though is that this is the result of the Seven being too passive and unimportant in the past. They never meaningfully opposed our efforts, so they let themselves slip into a situation where they can either surrender or gamble everything on a hail-mary charge that will most likely fail. Their passivity now is a direct result of their past passivity leaving them no options.

The other problem is that they are narratively... just kinda there. They never had any real agency and kept mostly popping up as a background events or glorified random encounters. Same as the Maester conspiracy.

I'm still wholly unhappy with how I wrapped the Citadel plot-line, but I genuinely could not find a better way. There was just no narrative weight or tension to the whole thing, so they just kinda fizzled away.
 
Mantles of Rule

Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

As the Dauntless flies west and north for the first time under a veil of clouds, the wheels of the reconquest are well and truly turning. The legions march and air force vessels in their scores cut through the sky in predetermined routes. From the Dornish Marches to Cape Wrath, from Seaaguard to Highgarden, by sorcery and artifice lords by the dozen will be presented with a simple choice, lower their banners and accept imperial rule or refuse and be remanded to the dustbin of history along with the likes of Tywin Lannister. Most will accept, that much you did not need a diviner's art to know.

This is not the first time a Targaryen has swept into the Seven Kingdoms upon the wings of change, and this time there are no kings to oppose you, no ancient crowns that need reforging, no thrones that must be abandoned. Your coming will mark a greater change for Westeros than Aegon's ever was, perhaps the greatest change these lands have seen since the coming of the Andals. You bring not just new laws, new taxes, new faiths, and ways of living, but all of those together, a new age flies towards still slumbering Westeros in the hulls of silver ships and it walks forth in the steady tread of black armored legionaries.

"Do you want to go out?" Dany asks pulling on the sleeve of your robes, "I feel like I might start bouncing around the bridge if we stay in here, and I have been told by reliable sources that can be quite distracting."

Only a handful of officers try to hold back laughter and none manage to resist a smile. Even Ser Richard snorts in amusement at the picture her words paint. Your sister, after all, is neither in her usual mortal form nor even as silvery wyrmling such as could be reasonably expected to bounce around rooms. She instead bears the dream-wrought wings of an angel to complement your own planned entrance.

The fact that once outside the hull she flies closest to Maelor, who makes quite the demonic figure on wings of living darkness, only adds to the incongruity, though the boy had agreed to dismiss the effect when it came time for what he called the 'dog and lizard show'.

Sandor flying ever close to Dany's side had just seemed glad for the anonymity of the armor he wears. Though the First Praetorian has been much more at ease in his own skin since he finally made himself the last of House Clegane, that does not obviate the weariness of being unmoored from the bounds of earth by sorcery for the first time on a journey across the sea. He probably is not as reassured by Lya, floating light as a feather right beside him, as he should be, seeing as she is not also carrying the full weight of a Warden Armor along.

By contrast, Ser Richard flies neither with hesitance nor with the grace of one who has taken the wind into their soul, but with the skill of long experience as familiar with the steel wings of his cloak as he is with Oathkeeper's hilt and there is no doubt a part of him that expects an ambush from some foe or another out of the night.

As to your own worries, they are more aimed to towards the lands behind you than the one in front of you. With so many of the Imperium's assets committed to the pacification of the Seven Kingdoms, anyone of a mind to attack the eastern provinces would have a far freer hand and once the signal had been given there is no hiding that fact from any seer's eye. Still, you have not stripped all the defenses, far from it. There is, after all, a reason why you have waited so long for this day and it is precisely to leave as few gaps as possible for clever foes to slip through.

As the towers of the Red Keep appear on the horizon and then the spires of the Great Sept of Baelor, you wrap yourself in mantles of power sacred and profane. You summon insight and enchantment by wishcraft and spilled blood, and upon your brow the crown of Aegon bursts into golden light that recalls the might and authority of the Heavens ere their breaking. Though you cannot deny there is more aspiration than truth to the attempt, that can be said for most of the tasks of kingship.

"You know you have only yourself to blame if they start falling to their knees and worshiping you when you show up like those Frozen Shore fellows tried doing to me," Maelor notes dryly, eyes half closed against the glare of your presence, arcane as much as luminous. "You're going to make a lot of Red Priests happy."

"How do you figure that?" Dany asks curiously.

"Well they already have a story all made up about how you're Azor Ahai, with the burning sword come to save the world again. Any of those septons who try to jump on the boat will have to make up their story on the fly."

"Then the trees are going to start going up and the Northeners are going to be happy and everyone else is going to be confused," Dany counters. "We aren't exactly shy about how we treat gods."

"Fire proof magic trees. Just you wait, there will be a preacher in front of the Big Sept of Baelor or whatever, shouting to all and sundry that the trees are servants of the Red God," Maelor replies gamely.

"And by the next week there will be someone on the streets who claims R'hllor is just an old Weirwood god who got a name from his worshipers," Lya interjects. She offers you a smile. "I'm sure the people of King's Landing will be more concerned with all the changes to their day to day lives to be mired in talk of gods old or new."

The cheerful theological debate carries your company, veiled in clouds as well as sorcery, all the way to the skies above the Great Sept. By will and wishcraft you work the final spells, and at the touch of your magic Balerion, the Black Dread of old, roars in the skies above King's Landing for the first time in almost two centuries

OOC: We are not quite at the speech and glory part, because I feel that works best in interludes, but we have had a lot of those recently, more than at any other point in the quest, so here's a bit of a bridge update to sort of set the stage. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
though the boy had agreed to dismiss the effect when it came time for what he called the 'dog and lizard show'
Ha, you almost got it right, Maelor. This is going to be a lizard and pony show. Dragons get mentioned first, else someone might be harvesting more bear asses soon.
will be a preacher in front of the Big Sept of Baelor or whatever
I see that spending time with Bronn left an impression. :lol:
 
I head cannon the reason the Seven were so passive dealing with us is that they were busy doing stuff in Westeros like getting their church in order with that useless and corrupt fat one and his friends in charge , the fey who are defacto hostile to all gods trying to take over the reach which is their center of worship , deep one attacks on there faithful , constant subversive enemy action from the lower planes , the others doing things , waiting for there chosen to level up and make a difference and of course the old gods deciding that now of all times is the best time to settle the score all of which was made even worse by the local leaders like the king and the high Septon being useless at best or hostile to their authority like Tywin Lanister and outright subverted like the Tyrells at worst made it so the seven had to keep investing their action dice into keeping Westeros form imploding which left them with only left over dice and hoping the chosen can level up fast enough to deal with us which were fortunately for us was not enough to do more then annoy us
 
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I head cannon the reason the Seven were so passive dealing with us is that they were busy doing stuff in Westeros like getting their church in order with that useless and corrupt fat one and his friends in charge , the fey who are defacto hostile to all gods trying to take over the reach which is their center of worship , deep one attacks on there faithful , constant subversive enemy action from the lower planes , the others doing things , waiting for there chosen to level up and make a difference and of course the old gods deciding that now of all times is the best time to settle the score all of which was made even worse by the local leaders like the king and the high Septon being useless at best or hostile to their authority like Tywin Lanister and outright subverted like the Tyrells at worst made it so the seven had to keep investing their action dice into keeping Westeros form imploding which left them with only left over dice and hoping the chosen can level up fast enough to deal with us which were fortunately for us was not enough to do more then annoy us
Also we took out one of their big-league angels created to kill us specifically. That might have put a damper on their attempts to take us down.
 
Also we took out one of their big-league angels created to kill us specifically. That might have put a damper on their attempts to take us down.
Let's not forget that much of their 'believers' that were not part of the clergy, especially those in higher positions (I.e. lords, knights and whatnot) were hardly devout, most of them simply giving lip service in order to appease the small folk and the clergy so even if they could get the Septons in proper order they would still have limited power in the physical world until they could get the lords and their ilk on their side.
 
Also we took out one of their big-league angels created to kill us specifically. That might have put a damper on their attempts to take us down.
Baelor was a literal D&D goblin sitting in a 25 ft x 25 ft room and waiting for the party to come and murder him.


Anyway. People are mostly looking for Watsonian justifications for this, so I'm not going to further argue the Doylist problems.
 
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