A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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egoo
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...are you trying to take the more boring path, then?
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So, uh, assuming we do establish a Research/Beachead outpost presence here, how exactly are we gonna rationalize it in-narrative, @everyone?
Especially if we bring some Gith allies with us?
(I assume they don't know what this shit is and would be hype to research this place. I could well be wrong)
But, hell, we have Soulforged Undead - albeit them we could make lead-clad and nigh-imperceptable as anything but simple constructs or even impersonal and highly trained guards - as our most reliable and go-to choice for meatshields.
And Dragons.
And loads and loads of plant-entities.
Are we gonna try for "extraplanar refugees"-narrative of some sort, or..?
We definitely gotta do our bestest to not look like an invasion or BBEG's army (even if we totally are), lest Fey BS takes centre and makes us lose any chance for peace and quiet while researching and defending the place from Limb's predators...
And whoever else might come attracted by 50k souls' worth of free sacrifices.
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Goldfish
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Too early to say. I'm hoping we can stabilize the place, firm up the borders a great deal, and shuffle those Petitioners off to a friendly deity. Then the pocket, perhaps a proper Demiplane by then, can be used for whatever purpose we desire....are you trying to take the more boring path, then?
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So, uh, assuming we do establish a Research/Beachead outpost presence here, how exactly are we gonna rationalize it in-narrative, @everyone?
Especially if we bring some Gith allies with us?
(I assume they don't know what this shit is and would be hype to research this place. I could well be wrong)
But, hell, we have Soulforged Undead - albeit them we could make lead-clad and nigh-imperceptable as anything but simple constructs or even impersonal and highly trained guards - as our most reliable and go-to choice for meatshields.
And Dragons.
And loads and loads of plant-entities.
Are we gonna try for "extraplanar refugees"-narrative of some sort, or..?
We definitely gotta do our bestest to not look like an invasion or BBEG's army (even if we totally are), lest Fey BS takes centre and makes us lose any chance for peace and quiet while researching and defending the place from Limb's predators...
And whoever else might come attracted by 50k souls' worth of free sacrifices.
I speculated earlier that the Petitioners were possible worshipers of Mother Earth and/or Father Sky, but isn't it much more likely that they would follow the Old Gods? If we could move them to the Greendream, I imagine some strategically placed Heart Trees could serve as proper anchors for this place.
egoo
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Add "learning what Deities these petitioners are sworn to" to the group's task, maybe?
Worst case for everyone involved, Fey made up a bunch of non-Deities and brainwashed the people into believing in those, because Fey hate real Gods, and those could've technically heard the prayers if en-mass enough even in closed-off piece of a Limbo, I reckon.
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It is more likely there are worshippers of the Old Gods as the setting of this RP in the middle of the Andal Invasions. By this point, there were no worshippers of the Storm and Earth.
Goldfish
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Vote closed.
[] Simply as yourself, you are curious what this strange realm would make of Viserys Targaryen
We've long passed any form of adherence
to the plays of the Fae. Time to claim this land and install a governor.
We've long passed any form of adherence
to the plays of the Fae. Time to claim this land and install a governor.
egoo
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If it's any consolation to the Chaos-voters, I'll be all over playing a part as a wise Quest-giving mentor, BBEG, etc...
Or, realistically, letting Glyra have her fun, but only once we are sure the place won't fall apart from Renly and Co learning the truth.
Hell, we can throw Moonsong inside too, she and Glyra are perfect for straining the narrativium without breaking it
The Ideal state is us learning how to keep place together, redpilljng Renly, setting up a fuckload of defenses with Gith, and sending off the Petitioners to better afterlives, while keeping the place together and building up a super-fortress for Limbo expeditions/research out of it.
...Speaking of super-fortresses, how's Darleth doing, @DragonParadox?
Or, realistically, letting Glyra have her fun, but only once we are sure the place won't fall apart from Renly and Co learning the truth.
Hell, we can throw Moonsong inside too, she and Glyra are perfect for straining the narrativium without breaking it
The Ideal state is us learning how to keep place together, redpilljng Renly, setting up a fuckload of defenses with Gith, and sending off the Petitioners to better afterlives, while keeping the place together and building up a super-fortress for Limbo expeditions/research out of it.
...Speaking of super-fortresses, how's Darleth doing, @DragonParadox?
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Well, since the proper system is broken for millenia by now and even people who are supposed to end up with their gods get easily lost, they might have just gathered lost souls that would otherwise be eaten by something in Limbo, the Astral Planes or down below.
Seems like less effort than either mass-mindfuck on the Material or stealing from a God's realm would be.
egoo
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Hm.
And if we can't send petitioners to any Deity (say, if theirs are long-dead, or Fey broke the connection to the original ones - the fucks would totally do that if they could, too), we can simply reincarnate them in Warforged bodies.
We gonna really ramp up the amount of War!Forges in the coming half-a-year.
It's gonna average 1 per month with Anu and 1-2 scholarum branches, iirc? RNG-dependant of course.
Edit: Artemis'ed? In part, anyway.
And if we can't send petitioners to any Deity (say, if theirs are long-dead, or Fey broke the connection to the original ones - the fucks would totally do that if they could, too), we can simply reincarnate them in Warforged bodies.
We gonna really ramp up the amount of War!Forges in the coming half-a-year.
It's gonna average 1 per month with Anu and 1-2 scholarum branches, iirc? RNG-dependant of course.
Edit: Artemis'ed? In part, anyway.
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The Star Court has certainly managed to exceed any expectation I have ever had regarding the fey. This has opened up a huge realm of possibilities.
Goldfish
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It also paints a very damning picture of the Court, IMO. A single faction of the Violet Court, itself merely a faction of the greater Court of Stars, secretly built, stole, grew, or just wished into being an absolutely massive pocket of stable Limbo, quickly and with what must have been fairly reasonable resource expenditures, else they never would have been able to keep it hidden.
So then, what could the entire Court of Stars have accomplished working in concert? Rather than mindfuck the Reach to play eternal storytime, they could have simply created their own version of the place in Limbo, one where even the laws of reality were subject to the narrative rather than simple mortal minds.
Or on a different track entirely, what if this place is only so stable because it's not native to Limbo at all, but a stolen piece of the Prime Material? Or transported from elsewhere, such as the Feywild or even a broken off piece of Elysium?
egoo
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I find it's funny how the very next update after the argument on how bad it is to feed a random captured Fey to Yss, we got a boatload of exposition showing the guy probably deserved that much for letting all of the 50k people stew in the little stabilized hellhole (that'd be quickly overrun without Renly. And that'd outright break if something happened to Renly, too, leaving them all for dead).
Now, devil's advocaye'ing, the fuckfaces probably didn't find anything wrong with what they did and the way they approached it.
And since no one died yet, we technically shouldn't complain about the methods they chose either.
Good thing we stopped them, regardless.
Fuck CoS. Some of the stuff they did was on par with shit Demons pull with how little regard for lives there was.
Now, devil's advocaye'ing, the fuckfaces probably didn't find anything wrong with what they did and the way they approached it.
And since no one died yet, we technically shouldn't complain about the methods they chose either.
Good thing we stopped them, regardless.
Fuck CoS. Some of the stuff they did was on par with shit Demons pull with how little regard for lives there was.
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A piece of Elysium would make a lot of sense.
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Still advocating for the theory that it was propably easiest to gather those already lost, so the Fey did de facto help these people by bringing them into a semi-safe area like this, compared to them being eventually eaten by planar predators.
Edit: Or maybe they were inhabitants of the possible piece of Elysium, in which case Fey stabilizing the shard is still the better option compared to falling into the Abyss or getting eaten by Limbo-inhabitants on the way there.
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egoo
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Morally questionable massive brainwashing, and letting them die to Limbo predators just to "play the role" still remain highly objectionable offenses then, even if they did technically save most* of the Petitioners from dying to
That's still "welp, to Yss this one goes"-grade of offense to our laws, iirc...?
It's just the degree of "fucking awful" that can be argued when looking at... this sort of shit.
I kinda wonder how fucking horrible were the other courts' projects now
[jk] While, yes, the one court with Dusk Dancer would innately be more moronic than the others, by sheer association... [/jk]
Part MMMDCLXXI: Of Faith in Strange Places
Of Faith in Strange Places
Tenth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC
Briefly you are tempted to play along to the game to give 'Renard' a villain in name and not in deed, that he might learn the truth slowly through every clash. Glyra would enjoy it and more to the point she would probably profit from it given her nature. In the end practicality wins out, there is too much you do not know about this mummer's game and Renly Baratheon's place in it so that day standing on the shore of a formless sea you choose to wait and watch. Of course you are not the only one with a stake in this place and its fulcrum.
"So you are just going to leave him here to live a lie? To dance to unseen strings, only with a new audience?" Renly's words are soft, but they lack some of the usual deference of a knight to his lord. He is bound to service of course, but you are not such a fool as to trust such bonds alone to hold a dissatisfied vassal, whatever his nature.
"Acting without thought could unravel this entire realm and spill fifty thousand souls into the mists. This is where I could say if your originator is indeed the hero he shows himself to be than he would prefer to be lied to for a few more weeks rather than risk that, but whether that is true or not is immaterial to me, the souls of so many are worth more to me."
Bright blue eyes hold your gaze for a long moment before dipping in a small nod, followed by a sigh. "Fair point, biter though it may be upon the tongue to be part of this charade a moment longer. What are you going to do?"
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The myrkdraki and mind dragon draw straws to choose which among them will stay to watch this strange realm, they all cheat so creatively you have to officiate the process. They are to be eyes and not hands and avoid becoming entangled in the tale of this land as much as possible.
"Maybe the shadowcats will keep them out of troub..." A giggle cuts your sister off before she can finish. "Watchmoles... yep that is the key, watchmoles, serious as Stannis they'll be." The amusement fades from her eyes. "What are we going to tell Stannis? He is going to want his brother back. You don't think he would try to give Storm's End back do you? He's one of the most reliable lords we have and no offense to Renly, but he's young and..."
"Even in the best case he would have spent the last several years playing knight errant not worrying about administration, trade and land management," you finish. "No, I don't think even Stannis is that fixated upon duty, or rather I think he can convince himself that Renly abandoned his oaths when he took the fey lord's offer."
Though you have business with the githzerai Dany and Teana do not fly east into the mists to find the Monastery of the Unbroken Circle. Instead you fly west following the folk you had freed from the Ironborn. You had not seen any sign of temples and little prayer while observing the locals, but surely such a miraculous homecoming will reveal some sign.
"Blood to the land, sky is my witness that we are truly those lost and found again before we could pass beyond the sea out of memory of kith and kin..." the eldest of the former thralls proclaims, spilling blood into the earth from a shallow cut on his palm to reveal that he is mortal and alive. It sounds a little like an invocation to Mother Earth and Father Sky, though without the call to any of their names.
Then you hear in reply from the village headman. "It was met that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thou were dead, and are alive again; and were lost, and are found."
"That's from the Seven-Pointed Star, from the Book of the Father where is speaks of Hugor's son lost to sin and then returned," Dany muses, almost too low to hear over the wind. "What the Hells are they worshiping?"
"If this is supposed to be the age in which these Andals came from Essos a degree of syncretism is not unreasonable," Teana offers. "You have two gods that are identified as Father, two goddesses that are identified as Mother..."
"It does not get us any closer to figuring out how an area so large can even be this stable." You had hopes that the religion of the locals would provide some answers instead of more questions. Perhaps the githzerai will know more.
Of course they will likely have questions of their own, such as why you are curious about patches of Limbo that defy dissolution. The Grandmaster is likely to be very interested indeed in almost a ten thousand square miles of land in Limbo. How truthful can you be with your distant allies you wonder.
How much do you tell the githzerai about the Lost Lands?
[] Everything you know, they have been honorable allies so far and you see no reason why that would change
[] Just the basics, an isolated patch of order created as part of a fey plot, without mentioning the size or population
[] Write in
OOC: I hope this did not drag. You guys did ask about faith and it flowed more naturally here than down the line in a report
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egoo
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He Hee Heee...
I may have called something eith this one
[X] Everything you know, they have been honorable allies so far and you see no reason why that would change
-[X] If they prove interested in this, we are offering joint research into the phenomena. Gith having access to a stable piece of reality in Limbo, or even just a more efficient method of stabilizing it, would mean more of their forces free to fight our common enemy.
-[X] Preliminarily, we're claiming the whole place for ourselves - in the interest of seeing the Petitioner souls on it safe and not dropped into the Limbo - but we'll be open to negotiation once the exact principles of the locale's workings are established, and we are sure it won't disappear from under everyone once Renly is gone or they all are made aware of their reality.
--[X] Make sure that Gith don't see this as us being overly greedy - we see them as good allies and partners and would be completely open to negotiating them making use of the wast territory, if that's what they wish, once we are done ensuring the overall safety.
-[X] By the way, do they want any more battle beasts, having had the first batch tried? We can make those in spades
I recon, Gith here are decent enough guys for us to not be stingy with details when we don't even know what is what and which is which, we aren't at all well-versed in Limbo-stuff compared to them.
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True, but the Sky Father and Earth Mother were set aside in favor of the Old Gods a few thousand years before the time this is supposed to be. Pretty sure the Fae mangled this religion to pieces so that none of the inhabitants' prayers would actually be a addressed to a God that would hear them.