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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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We could always go and negotiate with a bunch of Nightgaunts to have dreamland scouts

Those are weak enough, but they also are inestable. I wonder which things we could use before making our own outsiders specialized for this task
 
@Tomcost Hard to say. This isn't something we're going to be able to solve from this end with some half-hearted recruitment attempts, even on a limited scale. We'd have better luck coming at the problem from the opposite direction, at least at the start.
 
Crake said:
@Tomcost Hard to say. This isn't something we're going to be able to solve from this end with some half-hearted recruitment attempts, even on a limited scale. We'd have better luck coming at the problem from the opposite direction, at least at the start.
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Yes. But we will need a presence on the dreamlands besides best snek. I don't think we can easily recruit a dreamweaver army, so we have to negotiate with locals until we can make an Imperial Dreamweaver outsider
 
Tomcost said:
Yes. But we will need a presence on the dreamlands besides best snek. I don't think we can easily recruit a dreamweaver army, so we have to negotiate with locals until we can make an Imperial Dreamweaver outsider
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What we need is to have a solution to subversion that's already occurred, because that's the low-hanging fruit.


But whatever, I can tell people are invested in poking around the dreamlands so it's not like I'm going to stop them.
 
Crake said:
What we need is to have a solution to subversion that's already occurred, because that's the low-hanging fruit.


But whatever, I can tell people are invested in poking around the dreamlands so it's not like I'm going to stop them.
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If you have other suggestions then what I already included, please speak up, since I don't think we can really do much more then what I outlined at this point.

Well. Nuking that Demon would be an option, but without any leads, that would mean going on a chase with Dany in the lead. Which means it's one of those "next month" things.
 
Azel said:
Well. Nuking that Demon would be an option, but without any leads, that would mean going on a chase with Dany in the lead. Which means it's one of those "next month" things.
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Well, we definitely want to hunt down and eradicate these assets of Abraxas ASAP. That should at least get us a brief reprieve from subversion attempts... from that one faction.

Plugging holes in our security will probably just be something we're constantly behind unless we develop some means to provide comprehensive protection from multiple vectors to anyone even minutely important.
 
Crake said:
Well, we definitely want to hunt down and eradicate these assets of Abraxas ASAP. That should at least get us a brief reprieve from subversion attempts... from that one faction.

Plugging holes in our security will probably just be something we're constantly behind unless we develop some means to provide comprehensive protection from multiple vectors to anyone even minutely important.
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Which is why the most important thing to do is to learn from these attacks and make it as hard as reasonably possible for repeats of this. Not much more that we can do to protect over a hundred million people spread out over half a continent from a diffuse threat scenario.

I mean... the mental health checks I'm introducing in my vote amount to full on thought-policing since you can't really check for compulsions and other weird behavior without also diving through the general thoughts of the subject. And I still have no illusions that this will make it impossible to insert agents into our organisations. A whole damn lot harder, sure, but not impossible.
 
Azel said:
Which means it's one of those "next month" things.
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We have 10 days total free after our summoning spree is done, 9 technically after this running about.
We can definitely afford a bit of a chanse if we do leave the main ritual for month's end.
 
Azel said:
I mean... the mental health checks I'm introducing in my vote amount to full on thought-policing since you can't really check for compulsions and other weird behavior without also diving through the general thoughts of the subject. And I still have no illusions that this will make it impossible to insert agents into our organisations. A whole damn lot harder, sure, but not impossible.
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Well, you can point and say "demonic activity" and people who have reservations working for the Government (at least in positions which require health checkups) will mostly be those who intended to use their position for unsanctioned advancement of their own personal agendas (as in illegal graft or egregious kickbacks).

TBH I don't know if it really makes that big of a difference. People already know mages can yank the answers out of the air, which is how we catch a lot of corruption already. Formalizing it just means you know when it's coming.
 
Are there any Good people left in the thread who are against mass-use of mindreading and introducing a regular thought-police and stuff like that?
Or at least chaotic?

Gotta admit I kinda miss something when nobody speaks out against that stuff.

[X] Azel
 
Artemis1992 said:
Are there any Good people left in the thread who are against mass-use of mindreading and introducing a regular thought-police and stuff like that?
Or at least chaotic?

Gotta admit I kinda miss something when nobody speaks out against that stuff.

[X] Azel
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I'm honestly not a huge fan... but I can't provide any cogent arguments against it if the fallout from doing so is less than the fallout from doing nothing for at least multiple months while we figure out some kind of comprehensive solution.
 
Crake said:
Well, you can point and say "demonic activity" and people who have reservations working for the Government (at least in positions which require health checkups) will mostly be those who intended to use their position for unsanctioned advancement of their own personal agendas (as in illegal graft or egregious kickbacks).

TBH I don't know if it really makes that big of a difference. People already know mages can yank the answers out of the air, which is how we catch a lot of corruption already. Formalizing it just means you know when it's coming.
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Well, the net will be a bit tighter. The odds of someone being divined during general anti-corruption sweeps is not all that high if they are careful. The odds of something fishy being noticed while checking for compulsions is much higher, simply due to the amount of scrutiny given to the individual, even if the healer is not actively digging for information.
Artemis1992 said:
Are there any Good people left in the thread who are against mass-use of mindreading and introducing a regular thought-police and stuff like that?
Or at least chaotic?

Gotta admit I kinda miss something when nobody speaks out against that stuff.

[X] Azel
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You can still opt out of these checks, at the cost of being unable to work for the government. It's no different then getting a security clearance in the real world.
Actual thought-police would be a bit more invasive to the general public.

Also, this is not an Evil thing, just a very Lawful thing. An Archon would not object to the practice itself, just maybe to what is done when something fishy is found.
 
Crake said:
I'm honestly not a huge fan... but I can't provide any cogent arguments against it if the fallout from doing so is less than the fallout from doing nothing for at least multiple months while we figure out some kind of comprehensive solution.
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I genuinely don't see any comprehensive solution manifesting to this. At all. Every time we think something or someone is safe from compulsions / posessions / etc. there is a new case where someone found a way around our precautions. We had fake PfEs, backdoors in Mindblank items, mental grooming with hard to detect low-level effects and now invasion during dreaming. Oh, and Balerions entire defenses being shut off by a simple item brought to him.

We have to face the fact that we will need to do regular checks if it happened, since preventing it is a lost cause.
 
Azel said:
Oh, and Balerions entire defenses being shut off by a simple item brought to him.
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To be fair, he also is stupid enough to try and eat something that isn't his personal ration kept in a pocket space, when on a high-security operation.

...So yeah, most dragons would fall for that sort of shit.
Quite ingenious, really :V

Not disputing the rest tho.

Also, are we, or are we not, going on a wild goose demon chase via Dany now?
We only have 3 more days to spend summoning to meet the quota (and use up the Demiplanes) so we can suspend the process and just finish it by month's end instead.
7 days of time to run seems good enough..?
 
Anyone from Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk would be horrified that we're reaching Blood Wars levels of escalation against the lower planes. I don't know of any other setting aside from Warhammer with such a ridiculous pileup.

Then again, in FR or Greyhawk those places are barelly above the the post-apocalyptic civilization despite supposedly hundreds of years passing since the fall of the latest empire.
 
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