Is there anything we can do for Maelor other than just leveling and gearing him up? Or are the weaknesses of his class (I am given to understand that Warlocks are considered weak) to great to overcome?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Power leveling is the biggest solution. At the end of his growth he'll be a Mage of the Eight Circle. Not the strongest archmage, but still an archmage.
CandyCoatedChaos
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Actually considering how weak most of Westeros is that is out for leveling Maelor.
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At level 14, it's not like he's a pushover or anything. That should go up to at least 15 once we get some XP totals for him and Bronn from DP after their stint in the City of Brass. He and Bronn are both due a significant gear upgrade, too, which will make a big difference.
Maelor isn't a heavy hitter, but he's versatile and he's got a ton of staying power for extended ops. That's fine, because there are always more situations that need subtlety or skill more than the ability to slaughter an army or kill a demigod.
Crake
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Kevan Lannister
Varys (actually Bloodraven)
Grandmaester Pycelle
Petyr Baelish
Guncer Sunglass
Right now Master of Laws is still vacant because... no one will accept the role.
Kevan as Master of Magic?
Bloodraven Master of Whisperers.
Grandmaester Pycelle as the maester.
Baelish as Coins.
Sunglass as Ships.
No Master of Laws.
So who Hand? Was Robert thinking of making Ned Hand?
CandyCoatedChaos
Evil is just misunderstood
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You know things are fucked up when there is no one in Westeros willing to take the post. Where in the Game of Thrones every damn minor lord up to the lord paramounts play games and fuel their ambitions, no one wants the position of Master of Law. Or at least no one dares.
Seems like most of Westeros is expecting a dragon win and doesn't want to tie their name to the small council of the Usurper.
That or they just don't want to be near Cersei I suppose.
Crake
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Right now, Kevan is either acting Hand, or he is Hand. It wasn't made explicit, but it was implied. He was previously, or technically, Master of Magic. Only it wasn't called "Master of Magic" but some other fancy title because that was a bit too on the nose for the political climate to tolerate.
Pycelle is Grandmaester.
Baelish is Coin.
Guncer is Master of Ships, but ironically it was Stannis who Manderly wrote with regards to the status of the royal fleet, so apparently Guncer is regarded as a bit of a fool.
'Varys' is Whispers.
Master of Laws, yes, is vacant.
Lord Commander of the Kingsguard is Barristan Selmy, but Robert does not allow him to attend Small Council meetings. Which is kinda weird, but apparently he trusts him to bodyguard him, not to give him advice.
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This is not as insignificant a concern as you'd think.
It was reported that many Crownlanders abandoned Court, even Lannister Loyalists, because she had grown completely intolerable. As in, weighed against her normal behavior, which is generally "frigid bitch" personified.
Crake
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Generally just being able to pass on unpopular opinions without tainting the waters so to speak and making people suspicious of the motive for 'Varys' advice, if not suspicious of him in general, which everyone is.
Passing on information, which like it or not, he is surprisingly very good at collecting in his position as manager of the ravenry--not as great nowadays since the Lannisters have secret ways involving elementals to pass information along.
And in terms of public trust--he's projected the image of a doddering old man for years, and barring certain people at court and Tywin, everyone seems to believe it. His general usefulness as a socializer is pretty much nil, he's just solely beneficial for being the one to point out uncomfortable truths, and allowing Varys to graciously provide evidence for it possibly being true.
Maybe it's just my biases talking but people usually underestimate Pycelle in story and out of story. He can give good advice to people he actually serves and knows how to play the game. He just isn't really ambitious. His social skills is play the wise old man card which can work. And I think he has his own little network to get information?
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Pycelle is an intelligent man who plays to his strengths, and generally is excellent in keeping his head down and sticking to the background. In here it's less that we've underestimated him and more that we've made an acceptable deal pray we don't alter it further -- he becomes our minion and ferries intel leading up to the conquest, and at the end of all that we give him a nice retirement home either in Sorcerer's Deep or the Summer Islands with a small retirement stipend. Checked up on periodically by the Inquisition of course, but Pycelle isn't stupid enough to do anything that would warrant an arrest. He was going to voluntarily seek us out to defect before we captured him.
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Again. The important part is getting rid of the Lannisters in Landing.
Abducting Joffrey right now will make a complete and utter mess out of everything, while he will be perfectly safe there until the invasion, as he is the puppet that everyone will want to control.
On the flipside, abducting him now will mean he will hate our guts for it.
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This x100. Abducting the kids looks really bad on our end. Alternatively, giving Cersei just enough rope to hang hersepf makes everything run a whole lot more smoothly.
And of course, Joffrey would be guarded from the shadows the entire time.
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[X] Azel
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To be perfectly frank, this whole idea that someone will try to kill Joffrey makes no sense to me. Zero.
What exactly would be their motive? "Hurr, durr, kill babies for Viserys"? Do it because it's been a while since we had small children shoehorned into our intrigues?
There's literally zero reason for anyone. Joffrey will be king. An underage king. That means people will try their level best to control him. Whoever can claim to speak for him rules all of Westeros.
The only times when child rules die is when someone in the line of succession sees the regency as a good moment to make a play for the throne themselves, but the only ones with a dynastic claim to the Iron Throne will be Myrcella and Tommen (which is why it makes sense to send them away for their protection), Stannis (who will not murder Joffrey) and Renly (who is missing in action).
If someone can supply me a motive to kill Joffrey that isn't drama for the sake of drama, I'd consider alternative plans, but right now, I see absolutely no reason to assume he is in any danger. The ones most at danger in Kings Landing will be whoever is regent at the moment, since that is a position with a whole lot of power that can be claimed quiet easily over the dead body of the previous holder.
What exactly would be their motive? "Hurr, durr, kill babies for Viserys"? Do it because it's been a while since we had small children shoehorned into our intrigues?
There's literally zero reason for anyone. Joffrey will be king. An underage king. That means people will try their level best to control him. Whoever can claim to speak for him rules all of Westeros.
The only times when child rules die is when someone in the line of succession sees the regency as a good moment to make a play for the throne themselves, but the only ones with a dynastic claim to the Iron Throne will be Myrcella and Tommen (which is why it makes sense to send them away for their protection), Stannis (who will not murder Joffrey) and Renly (who is missing in action).
If someone can supply me a motive to kill Joffrey that isn't drama for the sake of drama, I'd consider alternative plans, but right now, I see absolutely no reason to assume he is in any danger. The ones most at danger in Kings Landing will be whoever is regent at the moment, since that is a position with a whole lot of power that can be claimed quiet easily over the dead body of the previous holder.
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Looking at it now, it honestly would be just drama for the sake of drama at that point. Even the most bloodthirsty loyalist would rationalize Joffrey as being Viserys' target and no one else's, and thus stay away.
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Which loyalists exactly? You think Brune would think so? Monford?
Or do we now expect Barristan to snap and randomly murder people?
Even if you plan to betray the Lannisters, your best bet would still be to finagle yourself into the regent seat and abuse your power to sabotage the defenses of Kings Landing. Which, again, needs your Joffrey still alive as a token of legitimacy.