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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
@DragonParadox, would this technique here be sufficient to locate some of the portals leading from the PoE to Casterly Rock?
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Rock Shaker, our Xorn friend, happens to have an artifact specifically dedicated to locating portals (which was how she found our portal to Molten Skies). We could borrow that for the mission.

Also maybe hire her and her tribe as scouts?
 
Duesal said:
Rock Shaker, our Xorn friend, happens to have an artifact specifically dedicated to locating portals (which was how she found our portal to Molten Skies). We could borrow that for the mission.

Also maybe hire her and her tribe as scouts?
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Those artifacts have a tiny range though and we are looking for a few portals that could be literally anywhere on the entire PoE. This is the same as trying to find a specific blade of grass in the Dothraki Sea.

If we can't use Divination, it's pretty much a bust.
 
Ace of Scarabs said:
I agree that Lanna at this stage is too invested in her stuff. If she doesn't even attempt to negotiate with us or stand down, she should be killed.

If she just wants to leave and never come back to trouble us, she should be allowed to do so, though.

[X] Egoo


Zathir can help us with the awakening of friendly mages using his altar if we can recover it, we won't need to coerce unrepentantly hostile Golden Shield mages. (Any that surrender and are willing to flip to our sides should be encouraged to bleed off Lannister manpower)
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Letting powerful casters walk away is just asking for them to come back with a few mythic ranks and an axe to grind. I'm also reluctant to give her any more rope to hang herself with. Lana is not harmless and letting her walk around until she makes the choice we want isn't free. This is cartoon villain tier shit, and there's a reason people just shoot their enemies instead of replicating tactics like this in real life.

On the other bit, the stuff I was referring to was their teaching material and magical tools. I don't know exactly what to do with all of the little casters, but I'm not enthused about recruiting or killing them all. We'll have to see how it plays out once we have the survivors in custody.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Letting powerful casters walk away is just asking for them to come back with a few mythic ranks and an axe to grind. I'm also reluctant to give her any more rope to hang herself with. Lana is not harmless and letting her walk around until she makes the choice we want isn't free. This is cartoon villain tier shit, and there's a reason people just shoot their enemies instead of replicating tactics like this in real life.

On the other bit, the stuff I was referring to was their teaching material and magical tools. I don't know exactly what to do with all of the little casters, but I'm not enthused about recruiting or killing them all. We'll have to see how it plays out once we have the survivors in custody.
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Agreed, Lanna should absolutely be hunted down if at all possible.

But at this point I fully expect her to rock Mind Blank, so that would be very, very annoying. Fingers crossed we manage to just kill her in battle.
 
Azel said:
@DragonParadox, would this technique here be sufficient to locate some of the portals leading from the PoE to Casterly Rock?
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That works almost perfectly. You can do the first and the second, but find the path does not work across planar boundaries so you would have to aim it at 'a portal to the Prime Material realm', which might give false positives, but such passages are not so common as to make the technique pointless, it just means some scouting is in order,
 
BronzeTongue said:
Letting powerful casters walk away is just asking for them to come back with a few mythic ranks and an axe to grind. I'm also reluctant to give her any more rope to hang herself with. Lana is not harmless and letting her walk around until she makes the choice we want isn't free. This is cartoon villain tier shit, and there's a reason people just shoot their enemies instead of replicating tactics like this in real life.
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Depends. If she legit hates us, she will be killed anyway, I agree with that 100%.

What I mean is that she decides for X reason to stop having a quarrel with us and wants out, bringing her immediate family along to go Elsewhere and stop being our problem, for example if we remove any leverage Tywin has on her and he crosses lines that have her decide enough is enough and stops backing him.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Letting powerful casters walk away is just asking for them to come back with a few mythic ranks and an axe to grind. I'm also reluctant to give her any more rope to hang herself with. Lana is not harmless and letting her walk around until she makes the choice we want isn't free. This is cartoon villain tier shit, and there's a reason people just shoot their enemies instead of replicating tactics like this in real life.

On the other bit, the stuff I was referring to was their teaching material and magical tools. I don't know exactly what to do with all of the little casters, but I'm not enthused about recruiting or killing them all. We'll have to see how it plays out once we have the survivors in custody.
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Especially the little ones should be not that indoctrinated and all things considered, I'm not going to loose sleep over a few Hedge Mages not being 100% loyal. We have the Inquisition watch the Scholarium anyway, so low-level malfeasance from inconsequential people should be no problem.

As for the more powerful casters, I'm hoping that the die-hard Lannister loyalists will do us a favor and all die in battle. If not, we can always use them as scapegoats for Tywins various crimes to get rid of them.

So salvage as many as we can and neutralize the rest.
DragonParadox said:
That works almost perfectly. You can do the first and the second, but find the path does not work across planar boundaries so you would have to aim it at 'a portal to the Prime Material realm', which might give false positives, but such passages are not so common as to make the technique pointless, it just means some scouting is in order,
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Good to know.

@egoo, could you be a champ and drop me the most current turn plan proposal again?

@DragonParadox, if you don't mind, I'd threadmark the proposal this time so that I don't have to constantly bug egoo.
 
We should figure out what's going on in Lanna's brain regardless of recruitment, if only to know if she'll run and what she'll do if she manages to. This will also happen to tell us if she could in theory be recruited.
 
Azel said:
@egoo, could you be a champ and drop me the most current turn plan proposal again?
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Here ya go.
Some minor phrasing aside (Garin/Nuri infiltrating Lannisters and Hermetia's PoW diplomancing need better "Goals" phrased. I'm a bit of a dolt so far), pretty much everyone assigned.
 
DragonParadox said:
Depends on wehter it is an artificial portal left over from the times of the first men on which this would work, or a natural weak point in the planar boundary which is too solid to shift.
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Another few things:
Are the subterranean wards actively blocking entrance through the rock or just alert them that someone passed through?
Do they have active detection measures that would give away the presence of someone or something that enters through a portal?
Could a small creature conceivably hide for weeks or months in the tunnels (assuming it needs no food)?
 
Azel said:
Another few things:
Are the subterranean wards actively blocking entrance through the rock or just alert them that someone passed through?
Do they have active detection measures that would give away the presence of someone or something that enters through a portal?
Could a small creature conceivably hide for weeks or months in the tunnels (assuming it needs no food)?
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  1. Actively block things like ethereal travel and earth glide and alert to mundane burrowing
  2. They certainly have guards, how well they are equipped to spot intruders Marwyn does not know, he's never been that deep
  3. Easily, the place is a maze
 
065tdsa said:
We should figure out what's going on in Lanna's brain regardless of recruitment, if only to know if she'll run and what she'll do if she manages to. This will also happen to tell us if she could in theory be recruited.
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By the time we're capable of determining that exactly she'll have already find most of the damage she's capable of. She's their strongest mage, so she's going to be involved in a lot of their plans and general efforts. Just because she isn't actively flinging spells at Viserys right now doesn't mean she's not working against him.

The argument that we can wait until Lana (or any of the opponents we let go so we can recruit them later) essentially taps out in the middle of a fight is predicated on the idea that she's incapable of impeding us no matter what she does or how much time she has. That assumption is always a mistake, even if it doesn't always bite us in the ass.
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. Actively block things like ethereal travel and earth glide and alert to mundane burrowing
  2. They certainly have guards, how well they are equipped to spot intruders Marwyn does not know, he's never been that deep
  3. Easily, the place is a maze
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1. Would this also trigger if you are inside the wards? I mean, a creature enters through a portal and burrows into rock that is within the limits of the wards. Does that trigger?
2. Only humans or did he spot other things? Any divination routines he is aware of?
3. Can we use a Wayfinder to map it and navigate within?
 
Azel said:
1. Would this also trigger if you are inside the wards? I mean, a creature enters through a portal and burrows into rock that is within the limits of the wards. Does that trigger?
2. Only humans or did he spot other things? Any divination routines he is aware of?
3. Can we use a Wayfinder to map it and navigate within?
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  1. Marwyn is not sure, that would be a sort of thing that would be quite hard to ask about without being suspicious
  2. He has only seen humans. The Golden Shields do have people on scry duty, like the House of Mirrors only with spells and thus more limited, whether they check the passages and when he is not sure
  3. Yes, magic works normally within.
 
If we want we can always feed Lanna to Yss and make a PC out of her...but I don't want to try and go for a capture when a kill will do. Personally I want to see if any Lannister mages of the higher class are seen travelling around. If we can get access to hair, skin, whatever we can then use that to hunt down the high-level casters and start taking them out one by one. Also, @DragonParadox is Lya high enough in Mythics to make a weirdstone?
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. Marwyn is not sure, that would be a sort of thing that would be quite hard to ask about without being suspicious
  2. The Golden Shields do have people on scry duty, like the House of Mirrors only with spells and thus more limited, whether they check the passages and when he is not sure
  3. Yes, magic works normally within.
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1. Can we try to divine that?
One Autumn Leaf said:
Also, @DragonParadox is Lya high enough in Mythics to make a weirdstone?
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That needs a 20th level crafter to make.

I'm pretty sure otherwise Goldfish would have already made some.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Yes, I'm going to need a list of IC questions though, not exhaustive or anything just to see what direction you guys want to take the divination.
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@egoo, would you kindly add?

[] Divination questions about the wards of Casterly Rock:
-[] Would an alarm be triggered if a creature burrows within the wards, but does not cross the ward boundaries?
-[] Are there any detection methods tuned to specific creatures, such as undead, abberations, devils and so on?
-[] Are there patrols by Xorn, Shaitan or other extraplanar mercenaries, especially some kind that can Earthglide?
-[] Are there any portals that the Lannisters are not guarding?
-[] Are there any dangers in the area that are not Lannister aligned?
-[] Do the Lannisters have a comprehensive map of the tunnels?
-[] Are there any checkpoints or other features that would impede an infiltrator once he entered the area?
-[] Are there more exits to the surface then those leading into Casterly Rock?
-[] Would the wards detect Necrotic Molds or hinder them from communicating with each other?
-[] Try to figure out the rough area covered by the wards.
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
If we want we can always feed Lanna to Yss and make a PC out of her...but I don't want to try and go for a capture when a kill will do. Personally I want to see if any Lannister mages of the higher class are seen travelling around. If we can get access to hair, skin, whatever we can then use that to hunt down the high-level casters and start taking them out one by one. Also, @DragonParadox is Lya high enough in Mythics to make a weirdstone?
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No we can't, that would go against our laws, Lanna is an enemy yes, unless she agree to work for us or leave the plane, we will have to kill her, but she hasn't committed any of the crimes, that mean we can sacrifice her.
 
tarrangar said:
No we can't, that would go against our laws, Lanna is an enemy yes, unless she agree to work for us or leave the plane, we will have to kill her, but she hasn't committed any of the crimes, that mean we can sacrifice her.
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Sacrifice is not the only permadeath. We can easily age her to death, and then poof. No more Lanna. It would also beat Rest Eternal, nobody could ever bring her back unless she becomes a devil or something.
 
tarrangar said:
No we can't, that would go against our laws, Lanna is an enemy yes, unless she agree to work for us or leave the plane, we will have to kill her, but she hasn't committed any of the crimes, that mean we can sacrifice her.
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Time for murder then. The heat of battle is not the time for recruitment. If capture occurs( which judging by the room it won't) I will push to book her, learn everything we can from her and age her till dead.
 
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