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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
Because if they care about having access to Westeros, then they need fortify it against our efforts.

If they do not care about Westeros, they can keep to the seas and build their strength there.

In the latter scenario, which I find vastly more likely then them bungling up the first one, we can take Westeros without much resistance from them.
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Yes but how does that refute my argument about them still being a threat and still working against us, you claimed they where no longer a threat
Azel said:
Likewise, I think the Illithid are no longer a real problem. They have done nothing noteworthy for months and years. They likely grabbed as many humans as they needed, wrapped up their important operations and are now mostly content to ignore the surface of Planetos.
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because we haven't seen what they've been up to and now I'm not quite sure where your going with this.
 
F0lkL0re said:
Yes but how does that refute my argument about them still being a threat and still working against us, you claimed they where no longer a threat

because we haven't seen what they've been up to and now I'm not quite sure where your going with this.
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At the end of the day they're less likely to attack us than Qohor or Norvos, which is all kinds of ironic but nonetheless true. If they were gearing up for an attack we would have seen something about it, be it the Tritons or Inquisitions warning us, or the House of Mirrors catching wind of a ton of people about to die, etc etc. For all intents and purposes the Deep Ones look like they're ignoring us for now.

It's not like it'll stay that way forever, but for the next few months we're probably not facing them.
 
F0lkL0re said:
Yes but how does that refute my argument about them still being a threat and still working against us, you claimed they where no longer a threat

because we haven't seen what they've been up to and now I'm not quite sure where your going with this.
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My argument is that they are unlikely to attack us while we invade Westeros. I just don't see them having any motive at this point to care what happens on the surface, unless we actively poke them in the eye. They have not shown any strong desire to control territory on the surface, just a few opportunistic operations and experiments, but nothing that implies concentrated efforts to achieve a major goal of theirs.

Just let them lie eternal and deal with them in strange eons, instead of headbutting them out of nowhere to make them an active problem.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, @Goldfish, could you link the me those most current lists of who has sworn to us in Westeros and how many Legions we have on which deployments?

Also, will the Dauntless finish this month or next month?
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Loyalty Chart.

The 2nd (Braavos), 3rd (Tolos), 4th (Gorgossos) and 7th (Mantarys/Draconys) Legions are the only ones preoccupied.

Which leaves currently the 1st, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th Legions available.

The Dauntless finishes next month.
 
Azel said:
My argument is that they are unlikely to attack us while we invade Westeros. I just don't see them having any motive at this point to care what happens on the surface, unless we actively poke them in the eye. They have not shown any strong desire to control territory on the surface, just a few opportunistic operations and experiments, but nothing that implies concentrated efforts to achieve a major goal of theirs.
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Okay thank you for clearing that up.

Azel said:
Just let them lie eternal and deal with them in strange eons, instead of headbutting them out of nowhere to make them an active problem.
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I don't know I like the idea of headbutting them before they reach that stage.
 
Crake said:
Loyalty Chart.

The 2nd (Braavos), 3rd (Tolos), 4th (Gorgossos) and 7th (Mantarys/Draconys) Legions are the only ones preoccupied.

Which leaves currently the 1st, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th and 10th Legions available.

The Dauntless finishes next month.
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I'll pour this into a map then. Might be time to plan the invasion in more detail and then decide what ressources that leaves to subjugate other polities in the coming two months.
 
Azel said:
I'll pour this into a map then. Might be time to plan the invasion in more detail and then decide what ressources that leaves to subjugate other polities in the coming two months.
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Plus x1 Thunderer company, x2 Darkenbeast companies and x1 Siege Company at the end of next turn, and the 11th Legion finished with the 12th mostly finished.

I would have suggested @Goldfish throw together a couple more Siege companies, but we are getting a variety of Warstriders, so I'm not too fussed with that.

Alternatively, instead of making Cataphract companies for the Istaheqs, we could turn the genie horses over to the Dothraki who are some of our best horse riders, which would give them a contingent of lighter horse and a heavier armored horsemen beyond the 200 they have now. That reminds me, yes, the Dothraki give us half a dozen legions worth of cavalry. Incidentally doing that means the 12th Legion will be fully ready to go.

I'm thinking the Dothraki we have could be deployed in the Reach, where the wide open fields give them an advantage compared to the hilly terrain of the Crownlands or the Riverlands' being mostly fine with our Legions and loyalists there in great numbers.

It might also be worth determining how much and in what way to rely upon the locals. I think we shouldn't completely discount them, the Knights are generally as disciplined as our own men by large, but those are the only truly Elite tier forces in Westeros. Everything else is Levies with some MAA sprinkled in to toughen up the frontlines. I won't say no to free cavalry if it comes to mass combat, and it would give the nobility some opportunity to say "I did something!"
 
Azel said:
My argument is that they are unlikely to attack us while we invade Westeros. I just don't see them having any motive at this point to care what happens on the surface, unless we actively poke them in the eye. They have not shown any strong desire to control territory on the surface, just a few opportunistic operations and experiments, but nothing that implies concentrated efforts to achieve a major goal of theirs.

Just let them lie eternal and deal with them in strange eons, instead of headbutting them out of nowhere to make them an active problem.
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I'd like to think DP had been having the squids do some Xanatos-esque gambits in the background, being a genuine existential threat that wisely stays off our radar and msidirects us every step of the way...
But the history of enemies presented as "major threat" at any given point in quest hasn't been stellar in regards of their plans and their "brilliance".

So yeh, I suppose the described scenario would be the best one for us OOC overall.
I'll shut up about the squids. At most we should get some Marid-diplomancing done for long-term goals.
 
Crake said:
Alternatively, instead of making Cataphract companies for the Istaheqs, we could turn the genie horses over to the Dothraki who are some of our best horse riders, which would give them a contingent of lighter horse and a heavier armored horsemen beyond the 200 they have now. That reminds me, yes, the Dothraki give us half a dozen legions worth of cavalry. Incidentally doing that means the 12th Legion will be fully ready to go.

I'm thinking the Dothraki we have could be deployed in the Reach, where the wide open fields give them an advantage compared to the hilly terrain of the Crownlands or the Riverlands' being mostly fine with our Legions and loyalists there in great numbers.
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I think we'd be best served splitting the new batch of Istaheqs between the Dothraki and the Legion Cavalry, personally. I really want those cataphracts.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 15, 2020 at 4:27 PM, finished with 79 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Shift Attention to Meereen
    -[X] Try to find some of the altered Unsullied, you want to get a look into their capabilities.
    -[X] Try to find more trade connections ensnared by Baator.
    -[X] Follow up on leads among the nobility from previous months; You wish to know who to strike down and who to pass by when picking priorities for targets.
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egoo said:
Please, no.
Imma die before I could distinguish these on a pic D:
Purple, red, yellow, something like that, pretty please?
I can't into bordering colors.
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... are you slightly colorblind ...? Genuine question here, since Green and Yellow are anything but hard to distinguish on the map.
 
Azel said:
@Crake, could you check this over please?

Green - Targ aligned
Yellow - Neutral
Orange - Likely Hostile
Red - Hostile

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Not inaccurate, though Golden Grove should likely be Yellow/Green. I realize the map isn't fully accurate to the territory controlled by particular families, and at least one of those Shield Isles should be fully green, but in general it illustrates our reach and influence in Westeros.
 
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